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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 - 12:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://9gag.com/gag/abr8L3O
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Fb1
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 - 07:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Excerts from an opinion piece published yesterday by Brian C. Joondeph, M.D. entitled "Why Is Italy in So Much Trouble? It's More than ICU Beds":


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Watching cable news these days, it is difficult to know which is greater: the rise in Chinese Coronavirus cases worldwide or the panic and sense of doom for those unable to work, travel, or freely associate with others.

The media are in overdrive, under the journalistic principle of "if it bleeds, it leads." Predictions of an exponential rise in illnesses and hospitalizations are a cable news staple this week, with many reports suggesting that America is just a few weeks behind Italy.

Rather than offering calm, USA Today warned, "Too many coronavirus patients, too few ventilators: Outlook in US could get bad, quickly."

Referring to Italy, the publication reports, "Italy's hospitals are choosing who gets lifesaving breathing machines and who does not." In other words, death panels and rationing.

This is what's ahead for the U.S., the media claim, even without Bernie Sanders's "Medicare-For-All" scheme. "US hospitals are on the cusp of too many severely ill patients without enough intensive care unit beds and ventilators to keep those patients breathing," warns USA Today.

What is left out of the story is why Italy has so many cases of a Chinese virus.

[snip]

[B]e wary of media-reported data. Increasing the number of people tested in the U.S. will artificially raise the confirmed cases.

ABC News ran this headline: "NIH director: Up to 70K coronavirus cases could be confirmed in US by end of next week." Yes, due to more people being tested, including many asymptomatic or recovered individuals testing positive.

But they conveniently bury an important caveat to their headline:


quote:

That doesn't mean necessarily that the outbreak has exploded at an even more rapid rate. It just means we're now able to find out who's out there, who is infected, because testing is now going to be much more available across the country.



In the meantime, follow current hygiene precautions, and turn off cable news. Be thankful that a fixer is in the White House rather than some political hack. The storm will pass, and the country will recover and eventually be greater after going through all of this.

Source, more: https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/03/w hy_is_italy_in_so_much_trouble__its_more_than_icu_ beds.html
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Fb1
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 - 07:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Related reading, published this morning:

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/03/italy _fulfilling_gov_sarah_palins_death_panel_prophecy. html
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Ourdee
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 - 08:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How much does Italy's leaving old people to die skew their dead numbers?

What if this virus leaves those males younger than 60 impotent?
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 - 09:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I long for those halcyon days when common sense was common.

Off for a 40 mile bike ride in the sunshine ..... I find reading, beyond a simple update, distressing and taxing. I fear a Sarah Palin article may take me out before my time.

:-)
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Ratbuell
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 - 09:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Nice. Enjoy the Vitamin D, I'm jealous!
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Hootowl
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 - 10:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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Sifo
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 - 10:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Supposed to be 47 and mostly sunny around here today. Not seeing either yet.


So if the US is supposed to fair much better than Italy, due to superior HC, lets examine that just a bit. It's fair to say that Italy is the hot spot of the EU. I would suggest that it would be fair to compare to NY state, the hot spot of the US. Fair?

It's been suggested that Italy is having bad results because of lesser HC availability, and high amounts of travel between them and other world hot spots. Surely we won't see the same results in the US. Or will we?

NY State had it's first death on March 14. https://kfor.com/news/woman-in-new-york-city-dies- of-coronavirus-first-covid-19-death-in-state/ That puts us on day 10 on the chart, where Italy had 0.860 deaths per MM.

NY State has a population of about 19.54 MM. Currently NY is claiming 183 deaths according to Johns Hopkins tracker. That's 9.635 deaths per MM 10 days after the first death. Italy didn't hit that mark until day 18.

So why is NY doing so poorly relative to Italy? It's not third world health care. It's not an unusually old population. It's not unrestricted international travel. They do however have the highest infection rate in the US. Coincidence? I don't really think so. Infection rates DO matter. Stop the infection and you will stop the deaths. How hard is that do grasp?

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Sifo
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 - 11:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just to help you plan your preparations... https://howmuchtoiletpaper.com/
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Ratbuell
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 - 11:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's not unrestricted international travel.

The hell it isn't.

Look at the hotspots around the USA. Funny...they match the areas with the highest ratio of "open border" illegals, and Democrat "sanctuary" policies.

But, I'm sure there's no connection there at all. Just like there's no connection to the fact that Italy has a high infection rate because they had unchecked borders for so long into this crisis. It isn't the ONLY reason...but it is definitely a factor.
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Tpehak
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 - 11:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Tiger Mt paragliding activity is suspended here at least for 3 weeks.

http://nwparagliding.com/
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Hootowl
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 - 02:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

None of the reasons cited in this article preclude a man made origin for this virus. I guess since they didn’t see a made in china sticker on the underside of the virus, they assumed it cannot have been man made.

Not saying it was, but this is not evidence to the contrary.

https://www.foxnews.com/science/the-coronavirus-di d-not-escape-from-a-lab-heres-how-we-know
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Pwnzor
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 - 02:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

‘The Pelosi-Schumer Coronavirus Contagion’

https://www.whitehouse.gov/westwingreads/
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Tpehak
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 - 02:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This virus ruined whole Greta career.
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 - 02:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I heard that Democrats have stalled aid by trying to include the following:


Bailing out all current debt of postal service
Required early voting
Required same day voter registration
10k bailout for student loans
For companies accepting assistance, 1/3 of board members must be chosen by workers
Provisions on official time for union collective bargaining
Full carbon offset of airline emissions by 2025
Greenhouse gas statistics for individual airline flights
Retirement plans for community newspaper employees
$15 minimum wage at companies receiving assistance
Permanent paid leave at companies receiving assistance

I have no evidence this is accurate. Does anyone have a credible source?
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 - 02:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/nancy-p elosis-supposed-relief-bill-has-provisions-for-cor porate-board-diversity-student-loans-and-bailing-o ut-the-postal-service

Hmmmmm. . . No clue of this is credible.

I’m going to try to find the bill and read it.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 - 02:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Not surprising, and it jives with what I heard on the AM news today that there were "riders" on the stimulus package that were focused on politics and not on relief. I don't recall any specifics at that point though...but information may be forthcoming.
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Chauly
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 - 02:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Pelosi's bill: https://www.scribd.com/document/452911706/Full-tex t-Nancy-Pelosi-Coronavirus-Stimulus-Bill?fbclid=Iw AR2eBu-JjFDYaGEJdHNOzsa8bydFR5bjvuMA7tUkyADCSAxqZD 3AJSOTxG4
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Pwnzor
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 - 02:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court-

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-pelosi-schumer-co ntagion-11585006077

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/03 /23/here-are-the-details-of-nancy-pelosis-leftist- wish-list-and-it-has-nothing-to-do-with-wuhan-coro navirus-n2565543
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Ratbuell
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 - 02:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Scanning through that document (thank you, Chauly)..."Sustainable Aviation Fuels"??? "Office of Airline Industry Financial Oversight" creation?? "Nullification of Executive Orders regarding Federal Employee Collective Bargaining"??

That was just a quick topic-scan before the page got all buggy on me.

Yeah. That shit has got to GO, partisan politics has no place in a document like this if they're truly trying to help Americans survive a pandemic. Get all the fat out of the document, pass the damned thing, and let's move forward.

Do your job.
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Sifo
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 - 03:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's not unrestricted international travel.

The hell it isn't.

Look at the hotspots around the USA. Funny...they match the areas with the highest ratio of "open border" illegals, and Democrat "sanctuary" policies.

But, I'm sure there's no connection there at all. Just like there's no connection to the fact that Italy has a high infection rate because they had unchecked borders for so long into this crisis. It isn't the ONLY reason...but it is definitely a factor.


I think you missed the point. Italy kept it's borders open with China and Iran while both were hot spots. Even NY couldn't let planes loaded with people from China land after those flights were shut down. The NY sanctuary policies are aimed at Mexicans. If you can believe the numbers, Mexico isn't even a hot spot. (We kinda lucked out on that one!) At it's worst though, during this crisis, NY hasn't been as negligent as Italy was.

Even with open borders though, all you really do is get a jump start on the curve. The exponential nature quickly swamps the small number of cases seeded with open borders. Sure you wind up a few days further behind the curve, but only a few days. I'm pretty sure there are other factors at play.

But at least you are supporting my assertion that infection rate matters to the numbers that die. This line of reasoning started with those who were claiming that the numbers infected don't matter, only the number who die. I still maintain that there's a strong causal correlation. If you don't get infected with the virus, you simply don't die from the virus.
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Sifo
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 - 03:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah. That shit has got to GO, partisan politics has no place in a document like this if they're truly trying to help Americans survive a pandemic.

They are trying to poison it to the point that Trump will have to veto the bill. Then they and the MSM will have a field day repeating that Trump stopped aid during a crisis. They can all rot in hell as far as I'm concerned.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 - 03:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you don't get infected with the virus, you simply don't die from the virus.

Of course.

But - just because you get the virus, doesn't mean you DO die. 99%+ of people who catch the virus are surviving. Probably more than that are surviving, actually, because only 'confirmed' cases are getting counted. Nobody is counting the people who are a) asymptomatic from start to finish, or b) show normal flu symptoms, isolate themselves, and heal just fine having never been tested.

I say again - this is not a death sentence. This is not Captain Tripps. Contagious? Yes. Guaranteed death? Far from it.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 - 03:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They are trying to poison it to the point that Trump will have to veto the bill.

He needs to get on camera with his Sharpie.

"I'll pass this bill, but THIS (X-it-out) has to go. THIS (another X) has to go. THIS..." and so on. On camera. Then, with the stuff X'd out...sign the bitch on camera.

Call 'em out on their shit.
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Hootowl
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 - 03:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

When you wish the power of line item veto on Trump, you're also wishing it upon his successor.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 - 03:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Joe Biden, walking the walk
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Strokizator
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 - 03:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Line Item Veto - been there, done that

In 1996 the Republicans gave Bill Clinton the line item veto but the Supreme Court later ruled it unconstitutional.

Lots of state governors have it though
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Sifo
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 - 04:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I say again - this is not a death sentence. This is not Captain Tripps. Contagious? Yes. Guaranteed death? Far from it.

And again, I'll agree with that. I'm not sure about the 99+% survival rate though. Not enough data is not, and there are many variables that play into that rate. But there is a causal relationship between those who have been confirmed with it and those who die from it.

Good idea with the sharpie!
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Tpehak
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 - 05:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

West Seattle bridge is closed due to growing cracks for further inspection. It looks like government just lies to stop people moving during coronavirus epidemic and once the epidemic restrictions will be lifted the bridge magically will be safe again.



(Message edited by TPEHAK on March 24, 2020)
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Fb1
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 - 05:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court:

I find reading, beyond a simple update, distressing and taxing. I fear a Sarah Palin article may take me out before my time.

Pavlov much? : )

The piece wasn't written by, nor is it about, Governor Palin. Just a friendly FYI. : )
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