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Rick_a
Posted on Monday, August 12, 2019 - 04:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

5.56 suppressor.

Various pistol magazines.

Ammunition.

That's about it.

In no hurry.
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Ourdee
Posted on Monday, August 12, 2019 - 04:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'd be puting in a reloading shed with extra powder and primers. A Cobray M-11, 10+ 30 round mags for it, and 5,000 9mm rounds. A Ruger 10-22 with a built in can like the Israeli military used for riots.


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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, August 13, 2019 - 01:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/lindsey-grah am-politely-explains-to-idiot-reporters-why-he-nee ds-an-ar-15/
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Rick_a
Posted on Tuesday, August 13, 2019 - 07:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Right now the socialists are spreading the lie (again) that Republicans stopped studies of "gun safety." No, they stopped public funding of anti gun propaganda. Actual research is fine.

At any rate, gun safety to you or I are a few simple rules. To them it's confiscation, strict permitting, and registration schemes.

They're complaining about Walmart taking down signs promoting video games depicting graphic violence while still allowing gun displays. The guns are behind locked glass with a price tag on them...they are never advertised. Another non point riling up the so-called lib types.

They're also amused that Wayne LaPierre is concerned with his safety. They've been calling him, his organization, and their members terrorists and child killers for how long now?...yet they'll blame this last shooting on "white supremacist terrorism." It's whatever fits for those weirdos.

They're going on about how permitting and registration for cars is so effective so it should be for guns. Well, cars are still a far greater problem...and they're a privilege where guns are supposed to be a right, and all...

Lastly they're upset over how it can take months to buy a gun in other countries and minutes here. That's how free countries work. Feel free to move to your socialist oasis of choice.
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Bandm
Posted on Tuesday, August 13, 2019 - 07:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, August 13, 2019 - 10:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.glennbeck.com/radio/the-dangers-of-red -flag-laws-have-far-reaching-consequences
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Ourdee
Posted on Tuesday, August 13, 2019 - 10:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There should be enough oatmeal in the pantry at all times. Go buy.
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Rick_a
Posted on Wednesday, August 14, 2019 - 07:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Peanut butter, Ramen, and hotdogs. Breakfast, lunch and dinner when totally broke.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Wednesday, August 14, 2019 - 08:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Don't forget house-brand mac-n-cheese. It can be made without milk; margarine works just as well to make a cheese-like material out of the orange powder
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Ratbuell
Posted on Wednesday, August 14, 2019 - 09:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So...ammo time for the 9mm for practice. Anyone ever used Tula? The one thing that gets me - and it appears fairly common although I've only ever used brass casings - is that they have Berdan-primed steel casings.

Anyone have experience with these types of casings?

I'm finding Tula at about $0.14/round...seems decent enough for practice FMJ...

Does anyone know of any other sources, better pricing for decent target ammo? I do tend to buy in bulk so I'm not afraid of getting 1,000 rounds at a time...
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, August 14, 2019 - 09:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Berdan primed steel case ammo may be considered not reloadable. Some guns will be jam-o-matics with steel cased ammo.

You can argue it is reloadable, but it needs special tooling few have and extra steps to deal with the primer pocket, so.... Don't.
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, August 14, 2019 - 09:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/08/h ow_the_federal_government_nullified_the_second_ame ndment_to_ban_automatic_firearms.html
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Ratbuell
Posted on Wednesday, August 14, 2019 - 10:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah, I'm not a reloader and the reviews of the ammo show extremely few FTFs or FTEs...I'm not too concerned about those at the range. My carry loads are Critical Duty and I've run enough of them through my XDs that I know they're reliable...when it counts...so I have no problem clearing an occasional misfire or an FTE at the range where time isn't of the essence.

The other bonus for me (as a non-reloader) would be that I wouldn't have to be quite as OCD about policing my brass when I practice at home - I do police, so I can give it to the guys at the range. With the steel...if I miss some, not a huge deal. The mower will still chew it up and spit it out, but I'm far enough out of the main yard when I practice that it's not like I'm strolling barefoot through brass or steel shards...
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, August 14, 2019 - 10:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://mydailykona.blogspot.com/2019/08/i-am-just- tired.html

http://monsterhunternation.com/2018/11/19/the-2nd- amendment-is-obsolete-says-congressman-who-wants-t o-nuke-omaha/

The scariest single conversation I’ve ever heard in my life was five Special Forces guys having a fun thought exercise about how they would bring a major American city to its knees. They picked Chicago, because it was a place they’d all been. It was fascinating, and utterly terrifying. And I’ll never ever put any of it in a book, because I don’t want to give crazy people any ideas. Give it about a week and people would be eating each other (and gee whiz, take one wild guess what the political leanings of most Green Berets are?).

Similar dinner conversation once, with a bunch of SWAT cops from a major American city, talking about how incredibly easy it would be to entirely shut down and utterly ruin their city, with only a small crew of dedicated individuals and about forty eight hours of mayhem and (And guess what their political leanings were? Hint, most of them were eager to retire because they’d been treated like shit by their liberal mayors, and take their pension to someplace like Arkansas.


If you've read any of my rants this sounds familiar. Because in my weekend hobby there are a LOT of veterans. And having played amateur medic for 25 years+ with these people I've had serious conversations with guys about how their PTSD is doing today, and if they feel up to strapping on real body armor again, dropping a steel bucket over the head, and listening for a real cannon to go off to signal the start of a bruising full contact melee of several hundred people.

And we don't talk politics in camp. Not in my, family friendly, with little kids running around, camp. But after dark, when the kids are tucked in their sleeping bags, over at the other camp, next to the one with the drums and belly dancers, is the quiet campfire, with the Good mead, where discussion turns to wars past, present, and future.

And some nights, while we listen to the drums, someone at the fire will look at every single person in earshot, one by one, and ask a silent question of the ones he doesn't know by name. And the person next to them will speak, quietly. "She drove convoys in the Rockpile, wounded three times" & "be very afraid, he is a fighter, chirurgeon, & Mailman" ( me speaking up) "tell all the jokes you want, I'm not allowed by Federal Law, I think they're funny"

Then the conversation gets...dark. How to shut down a city. How to intercept convoys. How to black out multiple states. How to prevent all the things discussed. And no, I won't tell you how to penetrate airport security to steal an airliner. Not one of these people would shoot up a police station. Nor will I tell you how to find the home addresses for your Congressmen, that's public knowledge. Nor "dox" them on the internet. That's a tactic of the Left, Giving marching orders to ignorant useful idiots.

But I will tell an old "postal" joke. When the Mail Carrier in the ghetto is asked why he has multiple cans of pepper spray hooked on his bag, "you don't think those are for dogs, do you?".
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, August 14, 2019 - 10:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Btw, most of the time melee is considered good therapy. And I tell the "can't tell a joke" line a lot, because it's true.
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, August 14, 2019 - 11:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

on a lighter note.... read the idiot comments. And... it's a serious violation of range safety.

https://9gag.com/gag/aBgKm22
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Ratbuell
Posted on Wednesday, August 14, 2019 - 03:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2019 - 05:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/08/t he_racist_history_of_red_flag_laws.html

Pretty much all the lies to take your guns were originally used to take them from blacks. That's actually racist.
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Rick_a
Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2019 - 12:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I had a guy on Facebook threaten to dox me. I found that funny. I'm literally nobody. Live nowhere in a shack in the woods. Nobody would care. Nor would I. I have a handful of belongings and make a meager living. It's a bit of trouble to get here, but I hope the trip would be worth it.

I simply believe people should live as they choose without infringing on the rights, lifestyle, or on the income of their neighbor. I am not the racist Nazi those weirdos are labeling me as.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2019 - 12:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What a moron.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kamala-harris-sla mmed-for-politicizing-active-police-standoff-in-ph iladelphia

She should go stand in the line of fire when she's running her mouth. Or at least wait till details come out - all their God-given, society-saving background checks wouldn't have done squat for this guy. HE'S A CRIMINAL. A repeat offender. By definition...THEY IGNORE THE LAW.

I saw another article about the incident where the Commissioner was quoted as saying he wanted gun control to be taken seriously...well, Commissioner, how about you get serious about getting criminals off the streets of the city you are charged with protecting? Granted, the police were serving narcotics warrants when the gunfire erupted, but still...how can these people blame the gun, when the SYSTEM is so screwed up and they can't keep criminals behind bars where they belong?

Truly a miracle that no cops were killed, especially with six of them being hit.
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Sifo
Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2019 - 08:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Then the conversation gets...dark. How to shut down a city. How to intercept convoys. How to black out multiple states.

More on the point of can you stand against the might of the US government with nothing but rifles these days, it was done just a few years ago at the Bundy ranch. True, the government could have easily overwhelmed them with force, but what would have been the result of that? The US government having a massacre on US soil, of it's own citizens, all on video tape? Where would that be likely to have lead?
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Ratbuell
Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2019 - 08:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The thing that worries me today is, the majority of the Dem candidates have openly admitted they'd be fine with just that situation. Government over individual, by force if necessary, consequences be damned.

Not saying they'd succeed...but it would be a bloody start to ACW2, and plenty of people would die.
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, August 16, 2019 - 12:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You are an idiot if you stand in the middle of the street against the government with a rifle. Plus the folk in those police cars and APCs are fellow citizens. I have no quarrel with them. It's leftists that hate cops yet expect them to murder for them. See Projection.

And if you can't think of a better way to fight Congress than stand on your porch and wave a weapon, then you have a lot of thinking to do.

If you expect me to tell you how to fight the government on the internet, you are dumber than I look. Again, that's the MO of lefty loons. Ok, loons.

Charity begins at home. So does education. Take your neighbor and his old enough kids to the range, make sure they are safe, then that they have a good time. The more people with a positive view of guns & gun owners, the better. It makes you not be a scary THEM.

Oh, and don't hand a hard kicking gun to a lightly built, or any person, for a first experience. That's sadistic. And makes you a legit subject of Red Flag Constitutional abuse.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Friday, August 16, 2019 - 09:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So does education

And...it WORKS.

I have some quite liberal friends (I do live in Maryland, after all). They surprised me when they told me they were happy I was carrying when I worked; it made them feel more comfortable and relaxed at my shows, and allowed them to have more fun. I took that as a big compliment. I don't tell everyone - hell, I haven't even told most of the guys on stage! - but these are folks who are in my 'inner circle' and are more than simply 'show friends'.

Then...they started expressing interest in going to the range, to learn to shoot! And, one of my friends is iffy about it - she respects and likes that I carry but has no desire to do so herself (she admits to some coordination issues)...but is encouraging me to take her enthusiastic 18 year old daughter with me sometime. The fact that the daughter is gorgeous, built like the proverbial brick shithouse, and getting ready to go off to college...might have something to do with it. Mom wants her kid to be able to take care of herself!

I have musicians who shoot, and they have SO's who have been quietly interested (and have also expressed comfort in the fact that I carry at shows); I have one friend who has quite the...assortment, we'll say, in her safe, and they're all in dire need of a cleaning-day, a practice-day, and another cleaning. We are all planning a big range-day sometime in the near future. For the newbies I think it's a combination of "the world is a mess and I need to protect myself", and "well, if MY friends do it, and I like THEM, it must not be a case of 'guns make everyone turn evil'...maybe I'll try it".

Regardless...I'll take it! I've been shooting since I was eight or nine years old (summer camp) and will gladly share the experience with as many good people as I can.
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Sifo
Posted on Friday, August 16, 2019 - 12:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You are an idiot if you stand in the middle of the street against the government with a rifle. Plus the folk in those police cars and APCs are fellow citizens. I have no quarrel with them. It's leftists that hate cops yet expect them to murder for them. See Projection.

I generally agree. When this was done at the Bundy ranch, it was a pretty special case. Their entire industry and way of life was under attack and being destroyed by a rogue government. The courts eventually said so, but had they waited for the courts, the damage would have been far, far worse for the ranchers. I have no doubt that the ranchers relied heavily on what you pointed out, that law enforcement people generally recognize a line that they simply will not cross. It's one thing to follow orders, killing cattle, and destroying private property. It's quite another to shoot at the victims of those crimes that you (or your brothers in law enforcement) just committed.

Sadly, there are those who don't have a problem with crossing that line. Eventually a select group from the FBI did murder one of the very vocal ranchers involved in that stand off, Lavoy Finicum.

You also had to be kind of an idiot to take up arms against the British army in 1776. Yet, here we are. You've also got to be kind of an idiot to try to stand against the Chinese government, taking over the Hong Kong airport. I seriously wish them the best of luck! Oppressive regimes rely on the idea that the oppressed will not be idiots, but rather be safe in accepting their place as serfs.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Friday, August 16, 2019 - 12:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oppressive regimes rely on the idea that the oppressed will not be idiots, but rather be safe in accepting their place as serfs.

Very true - but as you said, in the case of 1776, or today in Hong Kong...or even within our own government with regards to Epstein's "suicide" and how much could it uncover about our political elite and the Clinton Cartel...there comes a tipping point, where the serfs decide "ENOUGH".

And that's why the push to disarm us serfs - so we can't back up our cries of ENOUGH when the time comes.
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Sifo
Posted on Friday, August 16, 2019 - 01:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Exactly! That's my whole point about the stand off at the Bundy ranch. A group of cowboys finally said ENOUGH, and backed down the federal government. It can be done. Yes, it's dangerous. The founders who wrote the 2nd amendment knew the dangers well, from personal experience. Ever wonder why, only once in the bill of rights do you see the phrase "Shall not be infringed"?
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, August 16, 2019 - 02:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My point is absolutely not that "you" are stupid or cowardly. It's that standing in neat rows and marching towards the Enemy became obsolete by the Napoleonic wars and the American Civil War.

And while confronting illegal activity by corrupt law enforcement in a road block is dramatic, and has some practical value, I note the result was that the corrupt police murdered citizens doing so.

We have decades of irregular warfare fought effectively by outnumbered forces and not all of these were by Communist Insurgency.

Although I will point out that possibly the most successful was the Vietnam War where the U.S. soundly defeated the Vietnamese Army, even destroying the bulk of it over a very short period of time when they went for broke in a country wide surprise assault with the Tet Offensive. However, Leftist Congressmen, the decision by well respected journalist Walter Cronkite to lie in pursuit of a "higher moral goal" of One World Government, and a still ongoing propaganda and agitation/disruption campaign sponsored by the Soviet Union, led to the cowardly abandonment of the Vietnamese people to mass murdering monsters, a fact that treasonous scum & former Senator, presidential candidate, and Secretary of State John Kerry still lies about.

But the Boer war where a bunch of farmers were a serious problem for the British Empire to deal with, and more recently, the murderous Iraq invasion/insurgency from Iran & Syria are better examples of irregular warfare.

Old school terrorism works on the principle that to destroy a government, you murder innocents until the gov. Over reacts, and gives public sympathy to the terrorists.

Jihadist terrorism murdering helpless innocents is meant to frighten and intimidate the public into submission.

Intelligent freedom seeking resistance would not terrorize the public, but instead terrorize the elites that seek to crush freedom.

Not being a complete idiot, details will not be forthcoming.
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Sifo
Posted on Friday, August 16, 2019 - 04:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My point is absolutely not that "you" are stupid or cowardly. It's that standing in neat rows and marching towards the Enemy became obsolete by the Napoleonic wars and the American Civil War.

And while confronting illegal activity by corrupt law enforcement in a road block is dramatic, and has some practical value, I note the result was that the corrupt police murdered citizens doing so.


Point taken. In the Bundy ranch case though, it made sense. The intent was to stop them peacefully and call their bluff on violence. It worked very well. While I know that some people were roughed up during that standoff (specifically women), I don't think anyone was killed there. The murder of Lavoy Finicum came much later in a cowardly ambush and coverup. Probably would have been successfully covered up if not for a bullet hole in his truck that could not be reconciled with their report on who fired weapons.
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, August 19, 2019 - 05:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/08/t he_role_of_gun_control_in_dictatorship.html

It really is that simple.

Suggested reading. The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress by Heinlein. Excellent description of revolutionary cell structure.

This last couple of years has unmasked the Enemies of freedom. While some still lie about only wanting sensible gun control,more and more are openly calling for total confiscation by force, and openly calling for mobs to attack law abiding citizens.

It's important to know who your Representatives are. Letters & phone calls to force their staffs to spend time explaining policy and providing feedback are peaceful, legal, and traditional essentials of a Republic.

It may be vital to know where they live, so you can legally defend them against leftist terror mobs.

A list of local & surrounding areas Representatives would, perhaps, he useful in choosing who to donate to or assist in election campaigns. The internet has given Citizens the ability to donate to candidates many states away in important races. While this currently is mostly used by the rich in "the regressive party" it's a tool that can legally be used by all.

Why? Because your local election may be in an area dominated by one Party, a "safe" district. Thus, giving a few bucks or passing along the policies of those in your local race may be a wasted effort. Certainly upsets/miracles may happen, and we need to win races everywhere to keep our freedoms, but, for example, if your local Mayor race is a certainty, your choice nearly guaranteed to lose or win, then donating a few bucks to a closer race, one or thirty states away, may be a better bang for your buck, even as you pass out signs to support your local choice.

Feel free to infer, strategize, inform yourself & search for metaphor, intended or not in my suggestion. I can't tell you what to think, I can only point towards the truth as I understand it.

On a completely unrelated note, I've long been an occasional admirer of the native American spirit Coyote, and the Norse god Loki. ; )
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