| Author | Message | ||
     86129squids |
Truly horrible. Few things in this world are as beautiful as old churches. https://www.npr.org/2019/04/15/713525879/pariss-no tre-dame-cathedral-in-flames Prayers up for the firefighters working, and for this revered cathedral. | ||
| Ratbuell |
Oh. My God. Looking at those photos is heart-wrenching. Truly sad. | ||
| 86129squids |
My dad was Catholic, mom, Baptist. I was raised Baptist. My sister is a chaplain, follows the Baptist path. The loss of history at Notre Dame cannot be overstated. | ||
| Mnscrounger |
My wife and I along with my mother saw Notre Dame in 1992. the Rose window took my breath away with how beautiful it was with the sun shining through it. To have survived for nearly eight hundred years and two world wars, it's a terrible loss, especially during Holy Week. | ||
| Pwnzor |
Oh my... | ||
| Ratbuell |
I think maybe God's hand is in this one. Western Civilization is losing more than a building - Christians are under attack worldwide. Perhaps a burnt-out 850 year old building...is a sign from Him. Let's pay attention. | ||
| Ratbuell |
Many good points on Tucker tonight - things I'd forgotten from school (7-12 parochial Catholic school). Mainly, the men who built Notre Dame knew they would never see it finished in their lifetimes - but they toiled away gladly, knowing it served a bigger purpose to project the glory of God, for all to see, for generations to come. More importantly, though, it was noted tonight that we just don't build things like that anymore. We don't do things for greater glory. We do things for the things...and that's about it anymore. What was it - 52 acres? 57? That's how much lumber was used to construct the building. And that's why they called it "The Forest". We truly don't do things on that scale anymore, nor for such a great reason. Maybe we should think about that. | ||
| Hootowl |
One year ago...  | ||
| Froggy |
Today is when I found out it is in Paris, not Indiana | ||
| Ourdee |
Well, we just lost something else we never had. Don't feel bad. I thought it was here for a long time. I wish I had seen it. | ||
| 86129squids |
"Western Civilization is losing more than a building - Christians are under attack worldwide. Perhaps a burnt-out 850 year old building...is a sign from Him. Let's pay attention." Recon. Let's also look after one another. JBH | ||
| Stevep |
https://www.newsweek.com/notre-dame-fire-aqsa-mosq ue-1397259?fbclid=IwAR2wv0i07Pqu_2dISBtC0dcun2tb6_ z-bc53eBGfVVaVh_KNmv4_09fRYII At the same time elsewhere. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
All is not lost many of the historic relics survived. The stained glass and the organ survived. | ||
| Aesquire |
There is a novel about the construction of a great cathedral. Unfortunately I haven't found it on my shelves, so it's probably on my Father's. I'll look, because I can't recall the title, darn it. It covers the multiple generations and unbelievable dedication of the families that, decade after decade, raised money, wood, and stone, into the soaring building to give people a focus & inspiration for their worship of God. Much about architectural details, why the shape of The Cross was used for a floor plan, ( and arguments on exactly where, & how sight lines would affect the experience of the parishioners ) and how the Gothic style was a breakthrough in space and scale. Cathedrals like Notre Dame are an airy skeleton of immense mass and forces. Compared to the giant piles of stone of monolithic construction of Egypt & Rome, feathers holding the sky. Instead of solid masses of stone pierced by tiny windows, 3 dimensional ribs, shedding force vectors in soaring arches, filled between with stained glass art on a scale beyond human comprehension, but not human ambitions. And every inch from the floors, to the sky scraping towers, far from any possible human view ( until modern drones ) covered in art, sculpture, carved detail. You literally cannot reach and see the detail, but you know it's there, a work of art for the sake of creating a suitable picture frame for the unseeable. The restoration of Notre Dame may never be finished. Or possible, technologically, politically, or theologically. Oddly, the finances, in a world of internet connection and the vast wealth that the Enlightenment and American Revolution created, is the easy part, otherwise the French Revolution and regressive politics would never be able to. As to cause/blame/excuse for the destruction of an Icon that survived 2 world wars, and even the French Revolution? Time will tell, but the Media may not. | ||
| Ratbuell |
Did the organ and glass survive? I had heard both were destroyed. Relics, yes, but pretty much anything other than the facade - above ground - was a total loss from the reports I saw last night and this morning. | ||
| Chauly |
"Pillars of the Earth". By Ken Follett | ||
| Chauly |
Sequel :"World Without End" | ||
| Chauly |
Third in the series: "Column of Fire" | ||
| Chauly |
I heard the organ survived as did all but one of the stained glass windows. Most of the relics had been removed, such as the copper sculptures on the spire. I think they are in the Louvre. | ||
| Aesquire |
Thank you! Yes, the pictures show quite a mess, but not a complete loss. And there are already hate filled memes about how the Rich of France will open their wallets to rebuild this fill-in-the-blank-hate relic of buzzword buzzword badthing, but not give their money freely to "the poor" or the Victim Group Of The Day. Already the arguments have begun on how and why to rebuild. Politics will delay restoration, possibly until the Apes take over. | ||
| Crusty |
https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/article/notre-dam e-fire-cincinnati-councilwoman-says-shows-privileg e/ar-BBVZTRI No comment. | ||
| Court |
I heard the Rose Window and Crown of Thorns survived. | ||
| Ratbuell |
I hope that's true, but I could swear some of the photos and video of the fire showed flames coming out the rose window...unless I'm mistaken as to which one that was (entirely possible). | ||
| Aesquire |
Not to pick on France alone, with my prediction of extended political bickering and restoration delayed until the seas fall and glaciers threaten Paris. If the Washington Monument was knocked over, it would take forever to get approval to rebuild a phallic symbol in Congress. Fainting feminists would chain themselves to blocks of marble and scream at the sky. Possibly until Sharia law demanded their male relatives beat them until they returned to the kitchen. But I'm being cynical, and would never live to see the aluminum pyramid returned to the top. | ||
| Ratbuell |
I stand corrected. Good news: https://heavy.com/news/2019/04/notre-dame-rose-win dows-fire/ | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/04/glib_ talk_in_the_wake_of_the_immensely_sorrowful_notre_ dame_inferno.html We had a pipe organ maker in town, the art isn't lost. I know several metal workers who have the skills to make & tune pipes, and others who can make the bellows. There are reasons we keep the old skills alive. On a tiny sad note, a buddy had his forge in a 100 year old stable shut down by the Fire department. Many years of safe operations didn't matter, and to be fair, it was a fire trap. Ironically, it's fine for him to weld.  So he's gone from making swords and knives to metal roses and sculpture, it's easier on the joints. | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/not re-dame-de-paris-sign-of-the-times/ The video is great. It cannot be over stated the delicacy and strength of the cathedrals. From an engineering perspective, unmatched by modern rectangular box thinking. I see in the flying buttress, the ideals of mass and strength that dominate airplanes and rocket ships. Minimum for maximum. Shapes to distribute unforgiving gravity to great heights. It's a long road from copper clamps to spin welding. Hand saws to wire EDM. Soaring arches to the pressurized fuselage of the Airbus Beluga. But it's real in a way that shapes our world. | ||
| Aesquire |
https://9gag.com/gag/adLROgQ | ||
| Court |
>>>Not to pick on France alone, with my prediction of extended political bickering and restoration delayed until the seas fall and glaciers threaten Paris. Hahahaha . . . are we keeping you from an Optimist Club meeting? I have a good friend who is one of the top Pipe Organ builders/restorers in the world . . .I'm eager to see what the condition of the organ, and all it's associated parts, is. | ||
| Ratbuell |
I find it amusing that Macron has declared he'll have Notre Dame rebuilt within 5 years. It took nearly 80 years the first time... For the organ, I used to run a 1600-seat Vaudeville theatre with an original 1926 Wurlitzer. Original pipes, original chambers, original console, updated action (digital setup). Loved that organ...HATED "tuning day". Good lawd...400 pipes, one at a time, over and over again....UGH!! I tried my best to make sure I was off that day every year. But when they cranked it up to do a silent movie...WOW. |
