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     Aesquire |
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/12/iran_ claims_revolutionary_guard_general_accidentally_sh ot_himself_in_the_head_and_died.html A cautionary tale. Be careful, and absolutely certain your gun is unloaded before maintenance. Also, don't be a murderous thug for theocratic lying trash. I expect more safety violations. | ||
| Tootal |
It's more like the 10 rd mags are single stacked and there is something physically built in the magazine to prevent it from being double stacked to full capacity. Understood but I was thinking of a large capacity magazine being "plugged" to only allow 10 rounds. I'm only going by the magazine for my pistol. It's 13 rounds but the butt plate slides off so you can clean it etc. If I made a spacer to raise the shell ramp up the width of 3 rounds it would be legal. Basically I was just wondering if there would be a market for something like this. Not that I want to do it, just curious. I'm in the peoples republic of Illinois and so far they haven't messed with us down state but up near Chicago they are trying this BS and the NRA and Illinois State Rifle Assn. are fighting them in court. Their plan, in my opinion, is to try and bankrupt pro gun organizations using tax payer money in courtrooms. | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/12/canadas-imp ending-gun-ban-three-lessons-for-the-u-s/ Since part of the propaganda against you is the look of the scary thing, trying to loophole the scary thing, by changing the function and keeping the look, is going to give you grief. Yes, with a lawyer, expert witnesses, a lot of money, a lawsuit, and months wait until trial, you may prove the legality of your scary thing, but it will be an appeal of your conviction as a felon, or to humbly request the return of your property. And that property may be your house, cars, every gun you own, ( if they arrest you for felony possession of a scary thing, even for a second, before letting you go, a request for a search warrant is going to be granted. ) The Unconstitutional taking of property, a huge money maker for crooked Prosecutors, is certain to extend to private gun owners. Mostly it's confiscation of cars and homes "used in drug sales" and no matter if charges are dropped or found innocent in court. The car is gone, the courthouse richer, and you screwed. So far, crooked police, like Eric Holder, former AG, have targeted gun shops for destruction while stealing their inventory and filing false charges, maybe dropped if caught flagrantly lying, maybe not. ( and innocent men to go prison ) How many private citizens have been victims of this ploy? After initial local headlines that someone's been raided at 4 a.m. and the 'hood closed down for hours while police tape off the house and carry away evidence, the story vanishes. Often with gag orders to keep the victim for appealing to the public. As to the technical legality of any People's republic of California law loophole? I don't know. The illegal law here is different. Plus they keep rewriting the law in CA to move the loopholes. Might be perfectly legal today to install a plastic plug to limit magazine capacity, but next month it's a felony. It's currently a lesser crime in CA to murder people by having sex with them while lying about having AIDS, deliberately, with malice, than possession of a scary thing. Whatever that is this week. Ymmv. | ||
| Ebutch |
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| Aesquire |
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/12/18/bump -stock-ban-doj Bump stocks banned. No grandfather clause. This was predictable. Not sure I called it months ago, and won't bother to check. My personal opinion is that bump stocks are a raised middle finger to the NFA, and a semi useless toy. I really don't have issues with the finger. I regret the ban on purely libertarian grounds. So, sorry guys, I suggest tossing them at the authorities or destroying them proactively, then trashing the pieces. Whatever doesn't get you in trouble. ( I understand not wanting to get official attention ) But don't coast on this. Busted for NFA items is serious jail time. Same as having a machine gun as far as the Feds go. Off the record  I don't care if you bury your AK ( semiautomatic ) in the garden to avoid the unconstitutional so called "assault thing" ban if you live where that's the new, wrong, law. I don't see a reversal in those illegal laws anytime soon, short of fertilizing the Tree of Liberty, but feel free to act as your conscience dictates. Molon Labe. But I wouldn't bother with a bump stock. Ymmv. Penalties are too high imho.. And I'm opposed to the trigger toys that fire on pull and release on safety grounds. Feel free to argue. The crank trips are fine. Stupid, but not really unsafe. I admit part of my attitude is that years of playing Halo means I can fire a normal semi fast enough to be accused of full auto fire, and can manually simulate a bump stock without one. ( I just don't, after proving I can. Ammo is expensive ) But that's just bragging. I apologize if I often seem pessimistic on the infringing of our rights. Um. Let me rephrase. Sorry if it bothers you, that I'm pessimistic. I have being right sometimes. | ||
| Tootal |
I had the "hell fire" trigger. It was a fun novelty while it lasted. I put it on a mini 14 and zipped through a 20 round magazine of hand loads! After that it went on the 10-22 with a 50 round belt magazine till it broke. The hell fire broke, not the magazine. It was fun but I'm over it. Ammo was cheaper back then! | ||
| Aesquire |
I liked the tripod rig that held 2, 10/22 actions side by side, top to top, so the magazines wells were to the outsides, and had a hand crank to alternately fire. Never had one, but a very cool toy. Yeah, the Hellfire! David Koresh had that completely legal item and showed it to local law enforcement, so they wouldn't worry. Then the BATF attacked him for a public relations video stunt to show Congress how awesome they were, & then they murdered 73 | ||
| Ourdee |
And I'm opposed to the trigger toys that fire on pull and release on safety grounds. Feel free to argue. The crank trips are fine. Stupid, but not really unsafe.Patrick, I disagree. My binary trigger has a safe position, a fire position (single fire), And the binary position (where auto would be). I don't know of people that stop firing with the trigger in the depressed position. The trigger guard attached cranks have the crank hanging out there in the wind. If you leave the weapon on fire, all you have to do to have a negligent discharge is bump the crank that is hanging off the side of the weapon. I have an old HellFire around here some where. It was just a second trigger that you used by pushing it forward with your index finger. Was about like my binary once you got it down. I'm a big binary fan. | ||
| Aesquire |
I don't know of people that stop firing with the trigger in the depressed position and, I understand that you can switch to safe, and it won't fire on release. It's still a safety hazard in that it's a deadman switch by nature. If you call a freeze/hold/cease fire, the gun can be in a hazardous state. Rationalize all you want, and I get that you are never, ever going to fail to do everything perfectly, but you haven't changed my opinion. The trigger guard attached cranks have the crank hanging out there in the wind. If you leave the weapon on fire, all you have to do to have a negligent discharge is bump the crank that is hanging off the side of the weapon. True. Worse than a winter trigger. But it's not a deadman switch. I stand with stupid. I will, however retract the word "fine". You've made a good point. Like I said, I have nothing against the finger against the rules, and loopholes are fine. Usually silly, like the Mossberg Shockwave, which is a loophole gun that I have no use for. I honestly don't know what you gain? I admit I am no fan of pistol grip 12 ga. shotguns. Hard to aim, and hurt. If you like them, that's ok. | ||
| Aesquire |
I also admit I am conditioned by having had safety responsibilities in aviation. Where if you do it right, it's great, and if you do it wrong, you die. Just forget to hook up to the hang glider once, then cliff launch. Don't fasten your seat belt in an open cockpit Pitts, and go negative. Walk in front of a Corsair II on a noisy flight deck. or, and this was really popular locally, for a while, we had at least half a dozen "walk down the train tracks with your hoodie up and earphones on high volume" deaths. | ||
| Court |
>>>Don't fasten your seat belt in an open cockpit Pitts, and go negative. But .. think of the great bumper sticker . . . "My S2A threw me away" | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Back to the "large capacity magazine" definition here in CA....I found the legal definition. I don't think the removable plug in the 30 round magazine would fly. 16740. As used in this part, “large-capacity magazine” means any ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, but shall not be construed to include any of the following: (a) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds. (b) A .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device. (c) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action firearm. | ||
| Ourdee |
Sooner or later I will fail to do everything perfectly. It's in the cards. I do not rationalize away anything about it being a dead man switch. Alive or dead, let go of the trigger in binary and it will go bang. I doubt that in my use of it there will ever be a time that a cease fire can be called fast enough for me to not have released the trigger with muscle memory already. In the last few years of range time, I have called most of the cease fires. Now in that case it can be very un-nerving holding the trigger down trying to left hand the safety before I can lock the bolt back to clear, then dropping the magazine. It takes a lot of practice and still never feels exactly right. I do admit that. Another thing that never feels right is my bow when using a hinge/back tension release and getting a cease fire called at full draw after the clicker has told me I only have .010" till the sear lets loose. Neither one is for every one. I wonder how many binary triggers are out there. I have never let any one shoot mine. I'd never just loan it out. One different thing that the binary allows is that the safety can be engaged with the hammer down or after it has been fired. Out of the safe my ready state is with the selector on fire, magazine in with no round in the chamber. A quick tug on the charging handle puts it in service. BUMP FIRE: Does anyone remember how we bump fired semi autos prior to the bump stocks? I used to stick my thumb in my belt loop. That plastic cheater isn't needed. | ||
| Ratbuell |
The concern I have about the ban isn't the bump-stocks...it's the BAN. Regardless of usefulness or whether they're widespread...it's another erosion on the 2A front. Ditto "large capacity" magazines (by the way, I think a plugged magazine WILL be OK, if I'm reading the post above correctly that says line a) is NOT one of the banned devices). Ditto "assault rifles". Who's to say they won't ban anything that holds more than FIVE rounds, next time out. That...takes care of most revolvers and bolt-action rifles. Not "banning guns"...just whittling away at the ones that are legal, until all we have left - potentially - are black powder rifles and single shot pistols because everything multi-shot has been banned, decreed illegal, and confiscated or forced-surrender with no compensation. I don't like it. Not a trend I'm enjoying. | ||
| Aesquire |
Belt loop? That's new to me. Have to try that. I never needed a special stock to induce the malfunction that is a "bump fire". On some guns I can ride the sear, firm grip, just the one finger with the right tension, held at the right place. It's a malfunction, human, not mechanical, "doubling". Which, if mechanical, makes the gun illegal, a NFA machine gun. You MUST get that fixed, or face prison. "Yeah, judge,I knew it was wrong, but it was fun". Enjoy your new roommate, Bubba. I personally first ran into that with an AR-7 I traded to a guy I worked with. He complained it was acting weird, so I came over and tried it. He'd put thousands of rounds through it without cleaning, and it would double. Removed the side plate and it was so full of fouling dirt the disconnector was jamming. Another few boxes and it would have been full auto only. Some gumout & Hoppes #9, and it was cured. One of the few trades I regret. Great little rifle. I think you've made my point for me. A trigger like yours is an expert's toy, not safe for the casual user. I have no objection to you having it, but also understand when a range would ban it for safety reasons. And I'll bet you $5 it gets banned by the booze, smoking, and guns bureaucrats. By 2021, to limit the time frame. I hope I lose, I hate the infringing, but I'll bet you anyway. | ||
| Ourdee |
And I'll bet you $5 it gets banned by the booze, smoking, and guns bureaucrats. By 2021, to limit the time frame. That is why I wonder how many of them are out there. They may not get that much attention. I could always make a small piece to stop the selector from moving to binary. I had some other items that they decided to collect funds for. No taxation without representation. | ||
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| Ratbuell |
So, here's a poll. Preference (Gawd, don't turn this into an oil thread or a tire thread!). Carry preference - red dot? Or laser? (either with appropriate holster - laser would be an auto-draw power-on). Discuss  | ||
| Ourdee |
Oil start. Wellll, I prefer to carry without either. Enough practice will get you on target instinctively. Red dot is extra bulk to try and hide and try to get out without hanging on anything. Red dot can be had in the grip on some pistols. But, It warns some one where your shot is going and coming from. Not good in all situations. Especially if you are just trying to be ready if they start shooting. You may (pardon the pun) trigger the shooting. | ||
| Ratbuell |
My plan - if it ever comes to it - is to only respond. Partially my nature, partially MD law (retreat first, no stand your ground except in imminent mortal danger). There are a few trigger-guard/lower rail mount lasers for the XDs which with the dedicated holsters will auto-on upon drawing, and won't snag. I'm leaning that direction since a) I don't have to install a mounting plate and THEN the sight (red dot), and b) with a laser on target I theoretically won't have to sight down the barrel at all. I agree on practice - I can put a bow on-target at 50 yards without sights, first arrow. Taught for years, American Archer left and right handed before I was 14, never used a sight (or a trigger). Those were hay targets, and HUNDREDS of rounds a day downrange, for years. I'm not there with the XDs. Not yet. And...it's not hay targets out in a field by themselves. Thoughts on green versus red? Is that just a "my eye sees these better" debate? | ||
| Aesquire |
Red dots are winners in competition. They are an aid to already developed skills, as you need to have the muscle memory to aim fairly close before you can see them at all. THEN they speed you up. For everyone I know who uses them, it's "start to use the irons sights, and as the dot appears , just use it, measurable fractions of a second faster." Lasers? Big fan. Green vs. Red? Green is brighter for the same power, and shows up better against some backgrounds, but costs more. Red works better against certain backgrounds and has the advantage of triggering primal ( blood ) and trained ( red light ) recognition, and MAY be picked up faster. Green is better in brighter conditions.... It's really a wash. You only point yourself out for the bad guys in fog or dusty conditions, otherwise, the beam is invisible. Almost always invisible by day, mostly at night. That doesn't apply to IR lasers, which may show up on the enemy's IR gear. Since IR lasers are restricted from civilian use, the point is moot. ( Higher blinding danger, and more powerful/damaging beam for the power rating ) Lasers are a great training aid. They show wobble and flinch really well. If you fear showing your position, use a laser with an on off switch. Most of the time the laser adds to your psychological advantage, and sometimes the use of the laser alone stops the fight. But that's just a bonus, you take when it happens, not anything to count on. Both lasers and red dots are great when the light is low and you can still identify your target, as is your responsibility! but the iron sights are hard to use. My ideal is tritium night sights and a laser. Try before buy. I like laser grips, but on some guns the beam just hits my knuckle when the trigger finger is in ready position outside the trigger guard. Worse than useless to have a blindingly bright dot on your own hand. Other guns, no problem. Your hands and grip will be different. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
I have the Streamlight with the laser built into the housing of the light. It's the green laser version, which is better than the red laser in daylight. I love it for my home defense weapon. It has a small toggle switch for laser only, light only or my favorite--laser and light on. Can't imagine anything better for identifying and targeting in a dark house. | ||
| Ratbuell |
I'm looking at either Crimson Trace (grip-activated), or Viridian Reactor5 with matching holster (activates automatically when you draw), both under-rail mounted and no chance of lighting up your finger or blocking with your hand. Trying to avoid a button-push activation for situations under duress... | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Under rail is the way to go. I always thought the pressure switches were a tradeoff because of the cord. I had a Crimson Trace several year ago and never liked the idea of the possibility of it getting hung up on something or just dealing with something dangling off the firearm in general. Maybe they are better and not as bulky these days... The TRL-2 Streamlight is sweet on the under rail of my Glock--like it was made for it. It's not a push button, rather it has a switch as shown in the pic below. You can also see the smaller toggle switch for "mode". Clockwise flip an it's "on" (switch remains in the CW position.) CCW and it's momentarily on as long as it's held CCW. Switch returns to neutral when released from CCW position (momentarily on.) The switch sits at a perfect distance for my index finger to manipulate in a shooting grip and it's an ambi switch which is important for a lefty. I find it very intuitive and I think it would be OK under stress. I really like it as you can tell.   (Message edited by fresnobuell on December 19, 2018) | ||
| Ratbuell |
Here's the Viridian - it appears to be a normally-closed switch that is released as you remove it from the holster, turning the laser on:  | ||
| Zac4mac |
My .380 Bodyguard M&P has the Crimson Trace body. Too weak to see in daytime, fatal flaw.. Although the laser has buttons on either side, they're awkward to operate. <edit> I have Tritium on my MP9 Not a bad pistol, but S&W should have made it better. Z (Message edited by zac4mac on December 19, 2018) | ||
| Ratbuell |
The XDs has fiber sights for daytime; visibility on the range is excellent and I presume outdoors will be as well (GDMF Maryland paperwork....). I may look at (no pun) a green versus a red, just to see how my eyes react. Blue eyes with contacts tend to do odd things depending on color (decades of focusing stage lights has nothing to do with it!). | ||
| Ourdee |
I changed to the green fiber in my XDs. My Sig Sauer p227 has tritium night sights. Here is a list for yours: http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/springfield-arm ory-xds-night-sights/ | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Interesting. Any idea if their holster is good? Holsters are so personal. I can see where people might like the idea of the Viridian, but the holster holds them back. Price isn't bad at under $200. I am just wondering if a laser is necessary for CCW as usually you are engaging at very close distances. Suppose it couldn't hurt, although Aesquire brought up a couple points to consider with a CCW laser. edit--I just read a single review on OpticPlanet that said the included holster doesn't always shut the laser off and apparently there is an upgraded holster that works better. FYI. (Message edited by fresnobuell on December 20, 2018) | ||
| Sifo |
Tragic: Every Single Bump Stock In Nation Suddenly Lost In Boating Accident |
