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     Pwnzor |
I actually don't see California residents complaining about over-regulation but I'm sure you can provide examples. 1. Go and purchase a 100 acre parcel. 2. Build a house or barn ANYWHERE YOU WANT on that parcel. Get back to me when you have completed this task, and tell me again how you're not over-regulated. | ||
| Ducbsa |
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/11/calif ornia_wildfires_and_environmental_radicalism.html | ||
| Ratbuell |
From the article Blake posted: Federal lands have not been managed for decades, threatening adjacent private forests, while federal funds designated for forest maintenance have been "borrowed" for fire suppression expenses. So...to H0gwash's comment earlier in the thread Of course raking the forest would reduce forest fires, you would have to volunteer your time, though, there is no available funding, the loggers don't want to do it, and no one wants to pay insurance on their prescribed burns., if the money didn't have to be spent on fire supression (after they start and spread), and was instead spent on fire PREVENTION...folks wouldn't have to volunteer. The money being "borrowed" from the prevention budget currently, if spent on prevention in the first place, wouldn't have to be "borrowed" for supression any longer. It's like a Buell - or any machine. Maintenance is ALWAYS cheaper and easier (and less dangerous) than repairs. Maintain your machine in the garage in controlled circumstances, and you can use it without worry. Don't maintain it, and you have a failure - in uncontrolled circumstances like the side of a busy highway, or in heavy traffic - which can result in costly repairs as well as personal danger from the conditions surrounding the failure event. Also from Blake's post: In 2005 while a freshman California Assemblyman, I had the chance to visit Northern California and meet with the forest product industry professionals who grew, managed, and harvested trees on private and public lands. They told me of a worrisome trend started years earlier where both federal and state regulators were making it more and more difficult for them to do their jobs. As a result, timber industry employment gradually collapsed, falling in 2017 to half of what it was 20 years earlier, with imports from Canada, China, and other nations filling domestic need. As timber harvesting permit fees went up and environmental challenges multiplied, the people who earned a living felling and planting trees looked for other lines of work. The combustible fuel load in the forest predictably soared. No longer were forest management professionals clearing brush and thinning trees. ...sounds like over-regulation to me...let's legislate and tax the experts right out of the game, not only endangering our own lands and citizens, but also opening the door for for foreign imports of a product we have - in excess - right here at home, if we were only allowed to use it. Keeping people and property safe in the process. | ||
| H0gwash |
Thank you for your highly detailed and well written post. I hope you all have a fine Thanksgiving day with your loved ones. It is just me and the older half here today, and we'll have twice cooked potatoes, fried turkey drumsticks and salad with pumpkin pie and ice cream later on. I like your Buell analogy, but it assumes that we can afford the Buells we already have. I suggest the California forest is a massive garage of Buells, many of which have rotted out with terrible neglect. The spouse only approves barely enough money to maintain them and even those who part out Buells won't take any more parts off the bad ones, we can't sell the ones we own, let alone those that belong to other people, and occasionally lightning sets one on fire and a huge wind comes up and we have to spend our limited maintenance money on very expensive disaster measures. I sympathize with Blake's and everyone's frustrations that loggers don't get paid enough, and so now we import wood from across the ocean of all places. You could say that this is entirely a management problem and you would be right enough, but exactly nothing will change without massive redistribution of labor, tax money, and or tax increases, probably all of the above. Sure we could change laws too, but I think money changes thing quicker than laws do. Maybe Trump could unilaterally reorganize the labor in federal forests, avoid taxes altogether, and totally sidestep the word climate change, say, by offering partial citizenship to Mexicans after they vote Republican and clear out underbrush for 30 years, or whatever he can think of. He should lead and do that then. | ||
| Hootowl |
If we let the economy work, it will. Businesses generally do not need incentives to make money; they need government to get out of the way. Repeal the laws and regulations that drove out the timber farmers, and they will come back. No government forced redistribution necessary. | ||
| Aesquire |
HOgwash has a very valid point. Laws by themselves don't change reality. Enforcing the laws and paying for the actions required by then does. I can give a few examples. | ||
| Aesquire |
The Forest rules not being done because the money went elsewhere. As noted above. The Wall/fence/security system on the Mexican border was authorized, but not funded and, obviously was not built. I personally think there are better solutions than a big wall, but it not being built wasn't because anyone listened to me. This one isn't a law not funded, it'a a deal made with dishonest men. Reagan gave amnesty to about 3 million illegal immigrants, in return Congress was to improve security on the southern border. They didn't, because they lied to get the deal. Simple as that. And one that, oddly isn't The Government's fault. The U.S. officially went metric in 1895. But Americans didn't. They gave it a good try in the 1970's, even tried posting metric speed limit signs. Americans didn't. Sure, we had stupid reasons like we didn't want to buy all new tools. Didn't want to learn the math of conversion, and didn't want to follow some crazy French notion of Egalite, that had led to The Terrors, and the downfall of France as the Dominant Power in international affairs. ( that last was a fairly esoteric reason... mostly no one wanted to buy new tools. ) That New Tool issue was also the reason for the decline in the US Auto industry after the 1950's. Japan had to buy all new tools, sine we burned the old ones by dropping bombs on them. Europe did too, but they had 2 factors that kept them from dominance. Socialism and Deming didn't go there.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Edwards_Deming The U.S. already had factories and tools intact after WW2, and didn't want to change their ways. See Deming. | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environme nt/a25241744/worst-year-to-be-alive Every time someone lays the Doom & Gloom on you and claims this is the worst time ever..... Mock them. Laugh out loud. And I say that on the Coldest Thanksgiving locally, ever. | ||
| Zac4mac |
I heard that call back in the 70s too. Pretty bilingual with Imperial and SI. My 1948 Indian Chief came back to the USA from the Philippines with a speedo in kph. I've even still got some BS Whitworth wrenches(oops spanners) Z | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/11/hot -times-in-your-home-town.php What's your results? | ||
| Aesquire |
Lincoln NE, 1960-31 days. 2017-35 days. And about half the 57 odd years plus or minus. Vague memory says that's about right. Hot summers and cold winters. A classic "continental" climate. No big bodies of water closer than South Dakota's Oahe reservoir. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oahe_Dam Or the Gulf of Mexico. Which, oddly, reminds me of a Boy Scout troop project where we spent all day making diner, baking cookies, corn bread, ( and for the den mothers & fathers, a prime rib ) one August day using scrap cardboard and aluminum foil solar ovens. Built by the Scouts. ( with some adult assistance. ) Cleanup involved boiling the mess kits with a foil covered surplus radar dish and boiler made from surplus drop tank material. The Explorer troop also had an "outlaw" soapbox derby car made from a F-86 Sabre drop tank that they'd run down the road to the river at insane speeds. | ||
| Sifo |
Born in Royal Oak, MI in 1960. 9 days in 1960 and 9 days now. I also did where I currently live, Traverse City, MI. 5 days in 1960 and 5 days now. Is it warming? | ||
| Sifo |
Been away for most of the weekend, so time for some responses... If it were me, I'd want to survey any federal land that ran thru my land so that I could tell the feds exactly how far they had to f*ck off to have jurisdiction if pressed. On the one hand, it would seem that federal land is not your land and you don't have actual jurisdiction. On the other hand it would seem that you would be doing them a favor by helping them out because obviously they're not doing it themselves. I wonder if they actually would give a crap about what you're doing, but I'm guessing your relationship with the feds is a little tense? To survey that property line, you would be working from a known point, usually a corner marker, or a corner that is a known distance and direction from a fixed point. The property line in question is that of the park boundary, so it would be literally many miles of survey work through thick woods and hilly terrain. This would be neither cheap or easy to survey. It would be nice if they gave measurements from a corner of our property, but it simply doesn't work that way. We own the land, and pay the property taxes. The feds have put part of it inside of one of their national parks. It's a very common thing for them to do. You suddenly find all sorts of restrictions on how you can change the land, or sell the land. It's how the feds acquire national park land all across our nation. Ever wonder how certain people manage to live inside of a national park? They simply haven't given it up to the government yet. Think they would see you cleaning up the forest floor as doing them a favor? I dare you to go into a national park in CA and start cutting up the dead falls with a chain saw. Let me know how that goes for you. Really, go do it! Maintenance of a clear space around residences is generally required in CA which usually contains fires in the absence of high winds. This maintenance is super easy. But so long as high winds and low visibility at night makes fire fighting aircraft unsafe, fire fighting will always be ill-managed by your measure. Maintenance around a residence is not what is being discussed here as the problem. It's the forest interiors. Once it gets hot enough that the fire starts crowning the trees, it can go right over spaces where brush has been cleared, but you have nice shade trees. Typical country subdivisions offer little resistance. Roadways that should be a fire block get jumped. The problem really is the forest interior. It requires equipment and roadways for that equipment. If Sifo's situation is some kinda sorta secret federal annexation of his land without legal description I certainly understand the impossibility of compliance because you don't have any practical method to discover which trees are federal and which are yours. In that case I would agree that is super problematic and it would justify a tense relationship with the feds. I would like to think this is an unusual situation. Nothing secret about it. Again though, it has nothing to do with OUR property lines. It's the property line of the national park, that cuts through the middle of our property. The thing that makes our situation the least bit unusual is that our property gets split by the park boundary. In our case, it's a bit more problematic due to some legally defined subdivisions and right of ways on our property, but none of that is really important to this discussion. I sympathize with Blake's and everyone's frustrations that loggers don't get paid enough, and so now we import wood from across the ocean of all places. I'm not sure where your notion that this is about logger's wages. It certainly isn't from my side of the discussion. They are pretty much the ones that drive the contract negotiations. The other strong party is typically a forester that would represent the land owner, but you can represent your self and not pay for a forester if you think it's in your best interest. You could say that this is entirely a management problem and you would be right enough, but exactly nothing will change without massive redistribution of labor, tax money, and or tax increases, probably all of the above. Sure we could change laws too, but I think money changes thing quicker than laws do. Again, if you think that there's nothing to it but to do it, go take a chain saw into a national forest of your choice in CA and start cutting up the dead falls. Then you can tell us how the laws are not the problem. | ||
| Aesquire |
I sympathize with Blake's and everyone's frustrations that loggers don't get paid enough, and so now we import wood from across the ocean of all places. That's not an issue for anyone I know that isn't paying to have work done. It is that the ability to cut trees for a profit is restricted by laws "intended" to keep Nature Pure. Well meaning, perhaps, but fatally flawed rules were written, and although there are some changes to try and correct the ever increasing fire hazard, those rules are not making logging come back, they are for Government Action. No smart person wants no regulation, usually, but any smart person wants regulation that works. Bad regulation can be worse than none. I don't have time to look this up, so take it as an anecdote... but it's real. There is the case of the Family owned logging business that practiced sustainable farming, planting more trees than they cut, and managing the area they had logging rights to for the long haul. But. The day came when none of the sons wanted to run the business, and the Family sold out for cash. The MegaCorp that bought them out clear cut the land, left devastation in it's wake, then abandoned the area, and the people, and the town, to rot. Not all Corporations are greedy monsters, but it only takes a few. Get me going someday on the Cult of the Harvard MBA where each time period must have higher profits to be a Success, and the hell with long term thinking. That Mega Corp could have had a solid profit for centuries, but some greedy human decided to go for the quick buck, and a Promotion and the company will suffer, in the long run, but not until he's retired, rich. That's the kind of thing no one sane wants. But banning Logging? That kills the big company's interest in doing a good job, and screws the small companies out of existence. | ||
| H0gwash |
Hello again, Sifo- I see your point on the surveying description. I guess I'd just do what your local fire guy wanted done. Airbozo wrote a nice summary on Nov 21 showing how the local fire guys in CA enforce the overlapping fire protection issues. | ||
| Aesquire |
https://9gag.com/gag/aGZ0jKG | ||
| Mtjm2 |
Well I don’t give a shit what the scientists say ! Had 8 “ of snow two weeks ago and today its 57. Even went for a short ride here in south central Pa. The planet is going to do what it wants to do and there ain’t a damn thing we can do about it ! | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/11/a_qui ck_refresher_course_to_remind_us_of_previous_globa l_warmingcooling_scares.html There is going to be Climate Change! Just like always. Mtjm2, There's a recent proposal to pour chemicals into the upper atmosphere to block the sunlight..... "To save us from global warming" . It's really just a rehash of decades old ideas. And, given the current cooling trend from Sunspot numbers, if implemented, might actually make a major temporary change in the climate. A few decades or a century of mass starvation and death as a mini ice age is triggered. Just a blip in the geologic record, but a few billion dead. But for real fun.... http://www.pnas.org/content/103/46/17184 | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/11/whe n-did-nasa-go-to-pot.php I once dreamed of working at NASA. My cousin did, teaching astronauts how to work in microgravity. With glasses, I had no hope of being an astronaut, but building spaceships was a close second. Now it seems that After trying to make up lies about Muslim Science Advances, to make Obama's brothers feel better about not achieving any advances at all since medieval times, NASA is most concerned that land on Mars is fairly distributed. I think I could write their new policy statement, already. A Chinese/Google Social Credit System with emphasis on transgender superiority, because fewer children is Greener than heteronormative climate denier insistence on "danger of fertilization unliberated sexual heterosexual, and therefore, rape, behavior". Then the 5000 word chapter on oppressing the native Tharks. | ||
| Sifo |
Looking At Causes of Recent Wildfires and Resultant Property Damage, It's Hard To Point The Finger Solely or Even Mostly at CO2 Don't Tell Anyone, But We Just Had Two Years Of Record-Breaking Global Cooling | ||
| Airbozo |
I was on a jaunt to the Retired Police Officers shooting range with my F-I-L and M-I-L this last weekend and happened to drive by a part of the forest where the power lines run through (massive transmission lines) and over the highway. The redwoods were clear-cut 30' from the lines path for as far as the eye could see. I don't remember it being so bare through there in the 25+ years I have been living here. | ||
| Aesquire |
A tactic to stop the annual fires is to use napalm, and burn all small trees & brush near homes. After the initial carnage, next season will be almost loss free. Then you have to do it again. And again. Thanos solutions are for idiots. I can't believe they used that fatally and obviously flawed reasoning in Avengers 4. Joss Whedon stick that in? He understood that prophesy, like curses or wishes, were dependent upon the fine print, back when he wrote Buffy. My favorite was a monster that "could not be killed by a weapon forged by man". So they stole, then used, an anti tank missile, ( which uses a self forging warhead ) fired by a Girl, Buffy. They didn't mention the "self forging" but went with the Lord Of The Rings gimmick Eowyn defeated the Witch King of Angmar, Lord of the Nazgul with. One of the few cases in a show where knowing more about weapons that the film maker made it funnier. Usually you just cringe when the hero shoots nine bad guys with a 1873 SAA, usually loaded with five cartridges. There's also the Stargate series.... They were pretty good. | ||
| Hootowl |
I loved that show. Just the right amount of campy. | ||
| Ratbuell |
It was a great show. Sucks that xfinity doesn't have any of it on-demand. So...my question on the global cooling/mini-ice-age/sunspot thing we have going on. I wonder...could it be responsible for turning Maryland (where I live) into the pacific northwest this summer/fall/winter? It has NOT stopped raining - or dropping some other form of precip - since...oh...April? | ||
| Hootowl |
Maryland cannot be compared to pnw. It’s too conservative. | ||
| Strokizator |
When I went outside to start the smoker on Thanksgiving morning and was hit smack in the face with the -8° air, global warming was the last thing that came to mind. Doubt I'll be thinking about it all winter. | ||
| Aesquire |
Ratbuell, yes. One of the "tells" for me 20 odd years ago was the insistence that hotter climate would give us bigger & worse storms. That has remained a stable part of the propaganda ever since. And it's wrong. It is the exact opposite. Science reason. It is temperature differences that drive the weather. Hotter times are more even times, despite there "being more energy in the air" ( the Climate Con concept ) and it's difference that drives weather. Colder times have larger difference between tropic & temperate regions. History. Although we don't have accurate temps from before the thermometer came along, storms, those days it froze out of season, and heat wave deaths in Paris are reported and documented. Heat wave fatalities in Paris were reported in my youth, like wildfires out west, and are still headline news today. Yep, cold years big storms, hot, not so many. So, yes. Climate Change gave us a wet year. up by lake Ontario too. | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/11/why -we-hate-the-media-chapter-12-186.php | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-64 30691/Ocean-circulation-North-Atlantic-weakest-1-5 00-years-trigger-Ice-Age.html Take the hysteria with some salt. But the science is real. | ||
| Ducbsa |
Total surprise: a thumb on the scales https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/11/exp osed-a-key-element-of-the-wind-energy-fraud.php |
