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Ratbuell
Posted on Sunday, September 16, 2018 - 10:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

OK.

My project car - bought it in '92, it's been a grocery getter, a hi-12/lo-13 second street car, a cruiser, and is currently undergoing a carbureted-smallblock-to-EFI-genIII-hemi-swap - is a 1972 Plymouth Satellite Custom station wagon.

Yeah.

A wagon.

I also have a factory turbo minivan. You gotta problem with that?



Anyway. One "feature" of the 71-74 B-body wagons was the fuel tank placement. Not under the trunk. Not under the rear seat. It's...IN the drivers quarter panel, upright, like a suitcase. Which is fine...except they didn't put any sort of skidplate or debris shield under it, so anything the tire kicks up (and with 500hp and a suregrip rear, the tires kick up a LOT) pings off the bottom of the tank.

And puts pinholes in it.

Which makes it fairly ineffective as a liquid vessel.

I have an un-bent tank that can be used as a template. Anyone up for burning together a fresh tank, with a modified (i.e. rear bottom corner) pickup point for an external fuel pump? Suitcase box, direct-mount filler spout, one hole for the gauge sender which would include the return line, and a new rear-bottom hole for pickup (push the fluid to the back under acceleration, pick up from there to prevent starvation).
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Etennuly
Posted on Sunday, September 16, 2018 - 11:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'll be your huckle berry if no one closer can help you.

I know these tanks in the ol wagons. Used to patch rust pitted bottoms in them in Northern Pa body shops. Had to use the old bumper air jacks to get the ass of the car high enough to get them out.

Yep, like a vertical suitcase!

I would like to cut the bottom off, make a new bottom with a slope to that rear corner, with a few liquid control baffles, and insert some fuel cell foam. Finish the inlet with fuel cell plate, fittings, and filler.

Or we could just get a racing fuel cell to mount in the under floor tire or seat well.
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Tootal
Posted on Sunday, September 16, 2018 - 11:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Or just rub the bottom of it with a bar of soap and call it done!
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Etennuly
Posted on Sunday, September 16, 2018 - 11:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have a line on a real good high pressure high volume fuel pump. Can't recall the name right now. Ill get that to you later.

Are you going to AN fittings? Pricy but good stuff.
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86129squids
Posted on Monday, September 17, 2018 - 12:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Where in the HEYULL is that popcorn emoticon??
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Ourdee
Posted on Monday, September 17, 2018 - 03:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I got a popcorn for you too Brad.




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1313
Posted on Monday, September 17, 2018 - 09:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

And, exactly just what is 'wrong' with a wagon?
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Orman1649
Posted on Monday, September 17, 2018 - 10:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

just fill it all the way to the top with gas and let it rip.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Monday, September 17, 2018 - 10:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Nothing's wrong with a wagon. People look at me funny though (of course, they do that regardless of what I'm driving...)

Vern - might take you up on that, I'll keep you posted! Not sure about going -AN; I have good hardlines from back to front - the car is amazingly rust-free for the age - but in the name of future expansion I may have one put on the tank when its built.

Can't really fill it to the top - it's swiss-cheese on the bottom. And I like the stock trunk - this is a 2 row seat car; they made 3 row cars, but the 2 rows still have a flip-up trunk floor and a HUGE storage cavern underneath that I want to keep as a HUGE storage cavern. Easy way out would be to drop a cell in there and be done, but what fun is it to take the easy way out?
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Etennuly
Posted on Monday, September 17, 2018 - 11:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I got ya. Still to be the stock looking street/show wagon that can make fast passes.

I don't know if you know, but AN fittings are available that have adaptable fittings to fit to steel lines and braided hoses.
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Greg_e
Posted on Monday, September 17, 2018 - 02:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How big of a cell could you fit in the stock location?
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Doz
Posted on Monday, September 17, 2018 - 07:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"back in the day" used to remove-flush- dry and then fill them with exhaust gas from another car, Then weld em up. no boom!
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Ourdee
Posted on Monday, September 17, 2018 - 07:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I believe this one has become too thin for welding to be an option unless you lay down a pad over the whole lower half.

Ratbuell, As much as you love the beast, have an aluminum fuel cell made that matches the old steel tank. I would guess that your first volunteer could do that. Best of both worlds. (Saves the third row hidey hole for a couple of turbos plumbed back to the front. Or scuba tanks for air boost. Just dreaming for you now)
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Bandm
Posted on Monday, September 17, 2018 - 08:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/rci-2171a/overv iew/

Summit has 57 different sizes, for the price modifying one of these will be way cheaper than starting from scratch.

https://www.summitracing.com/search/brand/rci-raci ng/product-line/rci-aluminum-fuel-cells?SortBy=Def ault&SortOrder=Ascending
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Ratbuell
Posted on Monday, September 17, 2018 - 10:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oh, I'm not against a new cell....I just want it in the quarter panel, not under the trunk.

That's the beer cooler.

I think we had eight or nine cases back there in college, iced and chilled. Thank God for Gabriel air shocks!
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2018 - 09:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Joe,

You never cease to engage, entertain, and amaze.

Need photos though, starting with high school! : )
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Ratbuell
Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2018 - 09:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Nah, high school was a hand-me-down Cutlass until I bought my '91 Daytona turbo. The wagon came along during my second (ahem) freshman year of college.

As she sits now - original F7 Sherwood Green Metallic paint on the hood, roof, and tailgate; primer on the sides to cover some ding patchwork and trim removal holes:




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Pwnzor
Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2018 - 08:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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