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Gregtonn
Posted on Sunday, August 12, 2018 - 09:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

...and European Police agencies are not known, in general, for high levels of training in martial arts or marksmanship.

I would have to disagree.
The Police officers I knew when I was in Europe were very highly trained and skilled. They also kept themselves in better physical condition than many of the Police officers I have known here.

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Rick_a
Posted on Sunday, August 12, 2018 - 09:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Regardless of the magazine safety or lack there of, losing a sidearm to a perpetrator is a fight that's already lost.

If one doesn't have control of their weapon to begin with, the idea that removing a magazine is an asset is pretty ill conceived.

Europe has always had a weird aversion to handguns in general, and it shows.

They may have taken our machineguns, but they'll never take our pistols.
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, August 13, 2018 - 01:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I would have to disagree.

Yeah, on further reflection I'd like to withdraw that assertion. I was unfair to the police.

I'm still correct on the Why. It may date from the days of magazine cutoffs, for single feed volley fire, with rounds in reserve for when the Zulu charged. : ) The reasoning is understandable.

I don't want a disconnect either, and would have one removed if I got, say, a Ruger 9mm with one.
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Ducbsa
Posted on Monday, August 13, 2018 - 04:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://thefederalist.com/2018/08/13/former-gun-con trol-candidate-charged-shooting-campaign-treasurer /
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Rick_a
Posted on Monday, August 13, 2018 - 10:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Caught that earlier. Of course the people that don't want you to have guns are generally not among our most trustworthy of individuals.

On my own personal front...I've decided I want too many guns and should stop at the 22 revolver.
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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2018 - 08:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://time.com/5366929/school-shooting-trauma-tra ining-high-school-students/?utm_source=feedburner& utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+time%2Ftopsto ries+%28TIME%3A+Top+Stories%29

A great idea for better education. Perverted into a hate propaganda campaign.

First aid training for all would save thousands of lives a year. And cost a few hundred out of over zealous treatment. ( yes, I have experience in volunteer first aid efforts )

Losing our civil rights would cost millions.

Of lives.

Re write the scripts and this is a good idea. Proceed as intended, horror stories.
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Rick_a
Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2018 - 11:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just got my first ding on Facebook. Apparently it's "hate speech" to point out that in these "gun free" nations, people are killing each other by arson, bombing, vehicular assault, stabbing, bludgeoning, and acid attacks. Apparent facts are so hateful. That one came quick. It probably had to do with being a story about Londanistan.
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Ducbsa
Posted on Friday, August 17, 2018 - 06:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/08/1 6/louisiana-attorney-general-denies-600-million-to -citibank-bank-of-america-over-gun-control/
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, August 17, 2018 - 08:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/08/1 5/barr-regulatory-tyranny-of-andrew-cuomo-targets- nra/
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Rick_a
Posted on Friday, August 17, 2018 - 08:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Political discrimination is real.
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Slaughter
Posted on Monday, August 20, 2018 - 12:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So I get asked, "You shoot a lot of 45 ACP?

I say:


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Rick_a
Posted on Tuesday, August 28, 2018 - 08:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There was a shooting in Jacksonville over a guy losing a Madden video game tournament yesterday in an affluent area. Nobody pays much attention to shootings and criminal activity until it happens in the nice parts of town. When that occurs its becomes national and sometimes worldwide news.

There was also a shooting this morning in my part of town for reasons unknown in an otherwise quiet neighborhood. A woman was shot but is expected to survive. I'm assuming a domestic matter.
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Ducbsa
Posted on Wednesday, August 29, 2018 - 06:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Too bad the owners didn't report right away the tragic boating accidents where their guns fell overboard:

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-28/land-con fiscations-loom-south-africa-rules-300000-gun-owne rs-turn-over-their

Didn't the Notorious RBG say she thought the South Africa constitution was better than the US one?
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Rick_a
Posted on Wednesday, August 29, 2018 - 06:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

By all appearances, South Africa is going to hell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_bDc7FfItk
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Shoggin
Posted on Wednesday, August 29, 2018 - 03:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yay! One state gets it.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/34626/louisiana-den ies-citi-bank-bank-america-600-ryan-saavedra

Is Cali next!? (Buries head in sand.....)
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2018 - 07:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


guncontrol
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, August 31, 2018 - 04:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2018/08/sas-snipe r-takes-out-isis-commander-from-1-5-miles-away-wit h-machine-gun-report-says/

For the SAS, a new record.

For the US Marine corps, old news. The Marines in Korea used scope mounted M2 .50 cal machine guns to snipe N. Korean Officers from similar if not greater distances when my Dad was there. Sandbagged into bunkers overlooking N.Korean positions, the Marines would wait until a high ranking officer showed up, and when he was inspecting the troops, splash! This was a mystery for the Norks until a Stars & Stripes reporter spilled the story, and Higher ups told the Marines to stop.

Reminds me of the Civil War General whose last words were, "They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist....." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Sedgwick

And in further sniper Tech news.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/ a22862616/russia-silent-sniper-rifle/?src=nl&mag=p op&list=nl_pnl_news&date=083018

A buddy traded his SVD Dragunov for a .50 BMG rifle. He was disappointed with the accuracy of the SVD, ( decent, but not awesome ) and was thrilled to get the Big Iron.

However, he now won't shoot it at less than 300 yards, since ricochets at 200 yards have hit the shooter when hitting steel items at range. The lesson is don't shoot at stupid stuff, like Boulders.

He may not have given the SVD a fair shot. It's not a sniper rifle, and not meant to be one, it's a squad level designated marksman rifle, and compared to the Ak-47/74 rifles carried by the rest of the squad, does the job well.

2 moa is darn good for an AK platform gun. It's just that Americans assume that a big gun with a big scope is a sniper rifle.

Of course, the Marines today all act like designated marksman. And are experimenting with a heavy barrel AR variant to replace the M249. They figure accuracy is more important that laying down a hail of fire in a zone, when in comes to denying an area to the enemy.

Time will tell if they are right. But it's a sign of institutional attitude that instead of spraying bullets in a zone, as has been the practice since WW1, they now prefer to just shoot all the guys that break cover to make the rest hide. ; )
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Rick_a
Posted on Friday, August 31, 2018 - 05:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's not the Marines today...marksmanship and effective accurate fire have been a central tenet of the Marine rifleman since their inception.

The SVD and similar rifles tend to shoot roughly 1-1/2 MOA with their specifically tailored ammunition. With ball ammo that basically doubles.

Sniping between formerly com bloc countries and western nations have had separate development and tactics. The western world has focused on small team precision rifle tactics while the eastern bloc were more concerned with increasing the range on the squad level with semi automatic rifles. It appears that the best solution is a combination of those concepts...which appears to be the current trend.

Trading an SVD for a 50 BMG doesn't make a whole lot of sense. 50 BMG is primarily an anti material round in a rifle. It makes for a poor sniper rifle, despite the lore surrounding the cartridge.

The concept of the squad automatic rifle is a continuing evolution as is the role of the light machine gun. There are certainly some pros/cons to each and their use certainly depends on the particular situation.
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, September 02, 2018 - 09:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.breitbart.com/california/2018/09/02/fo ur-gun-control-bills-heading-to-gov-browns-desk-fo r-signature/

I'm in general agreement re: differing opinions on best mix. It's a subject of interest to me, but I don't have a real opinion.

The .50 caliber cartridge in the "new" Russian specialty rifle uses a big heavy bullet, at subsonic speeds. Think of it as an oversized .300 Whisper. The idea is range through momentum. The Whisper is range limited for two reasons. Rainbow trajectory, and until recently, bullets not designed for expansion at the low impact velocities out last 300 yards. ( new ammo advertised in the latest American Rifleman addresses that deficiency )

The Russian design uses a really big bullet. Much bigger than the .45-70 equivalent cartridges designed for the AR platform.

I find it amusing that there are multiple choices to give a modern warrior old Buffalo hunter/Indian Wars ballistics. Modern optics and software make the rainbow arc irrelevant, just as it was in the 1800's, and groups like the Coast Guard use them to punch out speed boat engines from helicopters. Bill Cody would be impressed. : )

The new Russian sniper rifle is an anti material rifle, tuned down for silencer use on vehicles and sentries.

Re: Marines. Yes, the Corps has always considered every Marine a rifleman, ( an attitude maintained by Harrier pilots, who wear camo helmet covers and think first of the guys on the ground they support with fire & death. ) and the Corps has always maintained a very high standard of marksmanship.

Dad is still mildly annoyed he qualified Expert with the Garand, & M1 Carbine, but never got a badge, ; ) at the emergency boot camp in Korea when he was assigned to the Marines, pulled off a DDE offshore, to march with them North towards the Yalu. Navy Medical Corpsman. Couldn't hit the target with a 1911a1, though. Carried a shotgun all the way to some reservoir, and back. It's not polite to ask if he used it, but he has, in unguarded moments, very clinically described the terminal ballistic effects of the Navy Riot load he carried. See also Sherlock meme in meme thread, "army doctor". Corpsman know where to aim.

Oh, riot load? Three 12 ga. Balls. "3 holes in his chest you could stick a thumb through, hole in the back the size of a dinner plate. Stopped him right there."

The difference between Army and Marine squad level equipment and training is still evolving. In Dad's day it was one BAR, several rifleman, and a squad leader with a Carbine or Sub gun.
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2018 - 12:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/09/0 4/levi-strauss-launches-million-dollar-gun-control -campaign/

Another Brand Name joins Dicks and Field & Stream on my "the CEO doesn't want my business" list.

And I Will respect his wishes.

I will add, that the majority of guns I have ever owned were given, traded, and sold to other Citizens of The United States, that I personally knew to be of good character, and I never went thru a middle man.

To tell me a father cannot give his daughter her first rifle, that hunting buddies can't trade shotguns, and that I require permission from anyone to give a present to anyone I choose, is to tell me you want so much more. None of it good.
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Shoggin
Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2018 - 01:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Where do brand CEO's get to the point where their personal opinion is greater than the only thing that put them in that position (their customers) no longer matter?

"You shall reap what you [sew]"

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Macbuell
Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2018 - 09:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I can only say ... WTF? Seriously, what the hell is going on in this world now? Why does a jean company think they should be wading into these waters?
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Tootal
Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2018 - 12:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I stopped wearing Levi's when they left America. Ever since then it's been https://www.allamericanclothing.com/
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Ratbuell
Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2018 - 01:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Damn. And I just bought a couple pair of new jeans for work.

Guess I'll have to start looking around for some 501 button-fly duplicates.

Gonna be a busy autumn - I'm gonna move all my bank accounts as well - away from BofA, to USAA.
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Airbozo
Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2018 - 03:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Never liked BunchofAssholes. Goes way back to my first checking account and they screwed up and lost about $15k of my money. I spent even more trying to recover it to no avail. Shysters the lot of them.

The SO had them when we got married and they refused to let me deposit my pay check because my signature did not match and the SO was the primary account holder. Bounced several check because of them and the delays they had crediting deposits....

Opened up accounts at a Credit Union and have never had any issues or better service.

Looking at those jeans now.
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Tootal
Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2018 - 04:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The boot cut jeans have the Gusset in the crotch instead of a big knot. Very comfy on a long ride and they go over big riding boots with no problem. The watch pocket fits my cell phone and the zipper is longer than many jeans out there. I don't work for them, just enjoyed them for quite a while. They're pricey but keep your eye's open around holidays when they go on sale.
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2018 - 07:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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Rick_a
Posted on Thursday, September 13, 2018 - 01:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There's a reason single stack magazines rarely exceed ten rounds...that's about the limit at which they're reliable.

I've acquired the last on my current list of guns...the snubbie .22. I went Ruger this time. It's ugly, but aught to get the job done. After I pick it up I intend to put some fancy grips on it in order to make it aesthetically tolerable.

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Ourdee
Posted on Thursday, September 13, 2018 - 02:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Do the grips look like the ones on the 38 special?
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Ourdee
Posted on Thursday, September 13, 2018 - 02:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That looks like maybe a 30 round magazine.
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