| Author | Message | ||
     Sifo |
Pornography has always been on the cutting edge of technological adaptation. I doubt much was developed for the porn industry, but I have little doubt that the porn industry pumped piles of cash into that technology as soon as they could figure out how to monetize it. Back in high school lithography class, we were taught that when the printing press was invented, the two industries that jumped on it were the Church, to print bibles, and the porn industry, to print the obvious. History has a way of repeating itself. | ||
| Aesquire |
VHS vs. BETA. Sony & Panasonic both went to Hollywood and tried to sell their tech. Both to MGM ( mainstream movies ) & the porn industry. Mainstream movie makers hesitated, not wanting people to have easy to copy video. Porn went VHS, & BETA died off despite better video. Panasonic was cheaper and the licence fees less. MGM and porn didn't create the technology, they bought it and like all customers, drove the market to satisfy their needs. HULU, Netflix, etc. Came later in the streaming video market and rule because Hollywood didn't want to stream video. Not their business model. Just as the music business hated MP3 and fought it instead of adopting a new sales model. Apple jumped on the market in competition to pirate free sharing services, using ease of use and smart marketing to overcome free piracy. And smarter lawyers. The music industry could have used tech to sell custom CDs online & in pure software format but was too busy defending their turf to think to expand it. Like buggy whip makers trying to stop the automobile. Gaming drives the power of home computers. There's no need or demand for more speed for word processing or spreadsheets. The NSA demanded voice recognition software and super computers for their spying job. There's some trickle down from that. And storage tech is also driven in part by government demand for mass data. But it's others who exploited metadata first, as profit making directed marketing services. Boeing used the technology they developed to sell bombers and passenger planes, as the market demanded. The Stratocruiser was a cargo/passenger version of the B-29/B-50 bombers. The swept wing & pylon/pod tech of the B- 47 was the basis for the 707. But the first production pressurized airplanes were Boeing Stratoliners, which shared technology with the B-17. And vice versa. | ||
| Aesquire |
It's not that porn developed PayPal and streaming video. It's that their market made selling that tech and improving it profitable. Now its VR. SlutsRUs ( I should copyright that... better yet buy the domain ) isn't developing goggles and haptic feedback gear, they're making content. As are gaming companies. Hollywood is behind the curve again. So the VR users first choices are the embryonic "Ready Player One" games and porn. Porn is also adapting the tech that The Lord of The Rings & Planet of The Apes movies use for porn. Altered and artificial actors. Porn with faked celebrities. Want to watch Ivanka ( Trump ) or Brad Pitt or the Mona Lisa in Fake Celebrity Orgy 6? Wait a few months. | ||
| Blake |
Jeff, Patrick: I understand the assertion. I just don't buy it. It requires one to accept that the MASSIVE mainstream entertainment market and their MASSIVE resources were blind to the potential of Internet video streaming, while the pornography industry was not. Makes no sense to me. But I could be wrong. To me it's akin to the popular myth that half of marriages end in divorce so you have a 50/50 chance of success if you get married. They don't tell you that first time marriages aren't so risk prone, having a 70% success rate. Or that 1st time marriages that are preceded by couples counselling are even less likely to fail. It seems to me that our news media's presuppositions and projections from their own personal experience can lead to a lot of myth-making. If streaming pornography is that dominant and influential of a market in video streaming, then why wouldn't it show up either within or in competition with the likes of Netflix or Amazon Prime? Netflix Market Cap: $210 BILLION Pornhub.com valuation: $??? million? No comparison. (Message edited by blake on January 09, 2018) | ||
| Blake |
Tom: "Back in high school lithography class, we were taught..." Dude. | ||
| Aesquire |
No one disagrees on Gaming as a tech driver. It's why I have all these old 3D video cards and aren't running my Celeron rig. ( an over clocked beast with serious heat sinks ) But I think denying porn made development of certain technology profitable is like denying war pushed aviation tech. It may be morally repugnant to think about Ron Jeremy as influential in paying for the Netflix technology you're binging Game of Thrones on, but I think it's true. PayPal, VHS, first person film making, now VR, next decade feedback suits........ all that could have happened without the sex industry but slower and not the same. As to Hollywood being smart? Hah! Like the music industry they are running catch up. | ||
| Blake |
Interesting. https://www.wired.com/2015/10/the-porn-business-is nt-anything-like-you-think-it-is/ | ||
| Blake |
Patrick, Where is the evidence? Not a single mention of adult video or porn on the wiki page that comes up when searching for "streaming video"... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streaming_media | ||
| Hootowl |
"It requires one to accept that the MASSIVE mainstream entertainment market and their MASSIVE resources were blind to the potential of Internet video streaming" The Netflix business model was to stream content (hence the name), but the tech/bandwidth didn't exist. So they mailed DVDs in the interim. Those massive companies of which you speak were not blind to it, they simply were not interested in streaming content. That would have upset their own apple cart. They were heavily invested in existing content delivery mechanisms, I.E cable television and customers buying DVDs or renting them from brick and mortar stores. Streaming content would have (and did) kill those vectors off. Many were unprepared and didn't survive. | ||
| Macbuell |
Reminds me of the story of Kodak who didn't want to invest in digital cameras because of their photographic film. We saw how that worked out for them. | ||
| Airbozo |
Not a mention of Porn at all on that page. Not surprised. Here is an old Wired article with some details and numbers. Fun read. https://www.wired.com/1997/12/sex-3/ The porn industry used 3rd party companies to drive the technology, because no prominent business wanted to be seen doing business with the porn companies. To be fair, all of these services would be around, but I am sure that the technology would not be anywhere near what it is today without the Porn industry driving it. I only know about the technology drive because I worked at SGI and dealt with a few of the engineers that came in to look at our media labs. They then went back and used our technology to build up their infrastructure. I even got to meet a couple of the online video vixens using the Indy, then O2 to stream live video chats. As a side note, Google maps started out as an internal SGI project to showcase the real time rendering and image manipulation capabilities of their graphics supercomputers. The application, "Space to your Face" started with a small earth slowly expanding into view and ended with a direct dive into the Matterhorn with the final closeup of a Nintendo 64 graphics chip (which was created by SGI). http://trajectorymagazine.com/genesis-google-earth / There is a lot of back story that article does not cover, but it is a good timeline of events. | ||
| Aesquire |
The Vatican has a famous collection of vintage porn. I doubt it's on their website.  I don't think they're going to put that online, but with the new Pope? The porn industry is a horrible thing. As a equal rights guy, who has a cynical and ironic sense of humor, it pays women actors better than men. Wrecks their lives and exposes them to disease and abuse too. The casting couch is normal and women are disposable. Give the Devil his due. The irony of tech development and the abuse are both worth learning from. If you don't acknowledge the realities you can't effectively fix them. Like alcohol or prescription drugs. Banning recreational drugs like alcohol led to mega crime organizations. The bottle of painkillers in my medicine chest can help me get through a working day or give some fool a dangerous buzz. Frankly I'd rather complain about the weather. Blake, as you helpfully pointed out, there is bias and dishonesty in Media. That's true on Wikipedia. The page on assault weapons used to explain how it was a made up phrase and referred to the guy who invented it, & why. That's been erased. It's not a surprise that Netflix executives don't want to reference porn as their inspiration. | ||
| Sifo |
Tom: "Back in high school lithography class, we were taught..." Dude. Realize that this was a hands on vocational class, not the typical progressive crap. Big noisy machines that could pull arms off kind of stuff. I doubt they even have those classes in a high school anymore. | ||
| Sifo |
Blake: Patrick, Where is the evidence? Not a single mention of adult video or porn on the wiki page that comes up when searching for "streaming video"... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streaming_media Dude.  | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.zdnet.com/article/streaming-media-not-j ust-for-online-porn/ 2001 http://www.zdnet.com/article/streaming-media-not-j ust-for-online-porn/ | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.enterprisefeatures.com/ten-indispensabl e-technologies-built-by-the-pornography-industry/ keep in mind my first comment on this subject was about the VR content being produced TODAY. Will Star Wars 17 have a VR version? maybe. Can you watch VR porn today? yes. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.streamingmedia.com/Articles/Editorial/F eatured-Articles/Soft-Porn-Hard-Cash-63932.aspx | ||
| Sifo |
Blake, to be clear... I was not making the argument that the printing press owes itself to the porn industry. Rather, simply that the porn industry of the time was an early adopter of it. I have no idea how much of current tech has been pushed by the porn industry. I have little doubt that the porn industry was very willing to jump right on new tech that they could exploit. | ||
| Aesquire |
Martin Luther probably had protestant flyers, the earliest political cartoons we have copies of, printed secretly in the night by the same late shift guys who slid porno prints into the production Que. Both were illicit and would get you in big trouble with The Church. Do we then credit porn for Protestant reformation? No. But note the timeline. The first product of the Gutenberg press was the Bible. Then porn. Then political cartoons protesting The Church. I skipped grocery store adds and other late shift work. With the internet the timeline is clear. Stuff like vector graphics, 3D video processing, and raw power are all game pushed technology even today. The 15th century Voynich manuscript? A mysterious document in an unknown language with illustrations of animals unknown to science? Obviously an early D&D game manual. For the original computers look to ballistics. The mechanical computers on Battleships are marvels. You can see the WW2 training videos. Earliest electric relay computers were offshoots of the telephone systems. Used for ballistics calculations because military needed that and was willing to pay for precision and speed. By the end of WW2 electronic computers with tubes were able to calculate the ballistics of a shell before it got to the target. Battleship shells had ranges where you had to account for rotation of the Earth and gyroscopic precession of a 6 ton shell at supersonic speeds. Willing to bet someone programmed a pre-asci print out of boobs in Eniac or Colossus some late shift. Certainly at los Alamos. Richard Feynman, one of the greatest minds of the 20th century, has a hilarious talk where he discusses the Manhattan project and the censorship of mail. His wife would send encrypted messages to Feynman at los Alamos. The censors demanded he translate them for security. ( just let the irony of that soak in ) But he couldn't do so on the spot, since he didn't know the encryption. His wife would invent new ones knowing Richard enjoyed breaking codes for fun. Sorry. No porn. Just marriage between really really smart people. | ||
| Aesquire |
Here's a great series about the history of Computers. https://technicshistory.wordpress.com/2016/11/25/a n-expeditious-method-of-conveying-intelligence/ And hilarity from los Alamos. | ||
| Aesquire |
Basic Mechanisms In Fire Control Computers: Shafts, Gears, Cams... 1953 US Navy Training Film https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD2dtAqJcJ4 Pure mechanical porn... | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/455374/in-vi tro-fertilization-frozen-embryos-colorado-supreme- court-drake-rooks-mandy-rooks-sofia-vergara Technology gives us morality questions that couldn't have been asked before. Who has custody of the kids when a couple breaks up? An old question with new twists. What if the pregnant partner wants the child but the other does not? Vice versa? What if the child is in the freezer and not the womb? When, not if, the child is in an artificial womb? ( we'll have that technology before the laws to handle it too ) | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/01/co nservation_not_environmentalism.html I've long been a conservationist. Save the geese! They're delicious. I even have a Sierra cup. A metal camping drinking cup that iirc was used to help fund the early days of the Sierra club, once upon a time a group to preserve nature so people could experience it. Now they seek to control people so only the elite can. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.thehighsierra.org/sierra_club_cup.htm There's a reason my Sierra cup has been used as a desk ornament to hold paper clips, etc. for years instead of while camping. It burns the lips when used for hot coffee or cocoa and generally is useless except to dip a drink from clear mountain streams. A practice that is now a memory, like the passenger pigeon. | ||
| Aesquire |
I'm looking forward to the next Jurassic Park movie. I'm in favor of bringing back the mammoth. Utah Raptors? Maybe not. How about just bring back critters that went extinct since Man killed them off? Dire Wolves? Might help with the local deer overpopulation. I'd also start carrying a 10mm pistol. Terror Birds? Definitely going armed. Polio? Nah, the anti-vax folk are doing that. Passenger pigeons? | ||
| Torquehd |
I'm all for bringing back giant man-eating lizards. I've always wanted an excuse to carry a loaded grenade launcher. | ||
| Ducbsa |
From Mike Rowe https://www.facebook.com/TheRealMikeRowe/photos/a. 151342491542569.29994.116999698310182/178092348191 7787/?type=3 | ||
| Shoggin |
" if you've got your head up a black hole." I really love that guy  | ||
| Hootowl |
He is well spoken. | ||
| Aesquire |
Torquehd, I'd be concerned about minimum arming distance. Still, that's a lighter choice than the Ma Deuce that seems the better weapon for the job. Terror Birds have the advantage that videos of the cute chicks will inspire sympathy for protecting 9 foot tall, as fast as a dirt bike, apex predators that think Lions are a snack. ( I want to herd a flock through Congress, in my fantasy ) |
