| Author | Message | ||
     Aesquire |
I understand that you were being facetious but the fallacy in that argument is obvious to all but the intentionally ignorant. Intentionally pretending to be ignorant = deliberately lying. Almost all reporters know less than nothing about guns. What they do know is wrong. Most of what politicians say about guns is wrong, and while their ignorance is possibly genuine, they are claiming expertise in the face of "obvious" lies. So I'm going with dishonest in all aspects. Jimmie Kimmel probably honestly believes the lies he spouts. He's a parrot, and a fairly smart one. He just believes the propaganda he's immersed in. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/452233/jimmy -kimmel-gun-control-comments-las-vegas-shooting http://www.nationalreview.com/article/452273/jimmy -kimmel-gun-control-las-vegas-shooting-misinformed -repellent The real reason for the rise in mass shootings may be the deliberate destruction of the value of human life that may have begun as a pro-abortion strategy, and the ongoing racist insistence that Black People Aren't Good Enough to run their own lives or control their impulses like adult Human Beings, but has accelerated in recent years with the hiring of thugs by the Democrat party to beat up The Enemy. ( usually elderly, frail people ) And this year's declaration that it's ok to commit violence against Nazis, joined with repeated assertions that anyone disagreeing in any particular with the Left IS a Nazi. All whites, all republicans, and by golly, all those gun toting Country Western fans that Deserved to die. ( like the Trump Voting Texans & Floridians deserved to be killed By a Hurricane created by their Political & Ecological Heresy ) http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/10/mass_s hootings_and_the_lefts_culture_of_dissidence.html | ||
| Gregtonn |
I want a 3-round burst BB gun! No use for it whatsoever, just fun for pl'-pl'-plinking! How 'bout a six round burst BB gun that you can buy at Walmart? https://www.walmart.com/ip/Umarex-Steel-Storm-177- BB-Air-Gun/17133136 G | ||
| Gregtonn |
Intentionally pretending to be ignorant = deliberately lying. True. If you are pretending. However, some folks would rather not know the facts and therefore choose to be ignorant of them. ignorant: destitute of knowledge or education G | ||
| Torquehd |
That says 6 round semi And conspiracy theories are pouring in. One of the most popular is that there was a second shooter on/around the 10-14th floor, in the middle of the hotel and not just on the NE end. There are a ton of youtube cellphone videos showing this, some of the links from external websites are deactivating already. | ||
| Aesquire |
Lets for the sake of amusement, not sanity, go for the simplest conspiracy theory. The shooter or shooters were Operatives paid by George Soros with organizational aid by Barack Obama ( they are now partners in the Revolution, public announcement, not a theory ) The Individuals involved may be ex-CIA, or even active CIA, appointed by Barry, or Antifa, or ISIS, but that doesn't matter to the theory. The alleged murderer was set up. Easy enough to do. We'll never see any reports showing he was tied up for a time while the "real" shooter used his room and planted all the evidence. This is typical of most conspiracies, the total control of the media. While we know that's never true, it's never been more true that today, in this country. Motivation? Gun control legislation now on hold forever that would have pushed back against the Revolution's illegally imposed, and legally voted upon laws & regulations. All you need to suppose is a number of people working together that never, ever leak, ( in a world where the CIA leaks way above top secret stuff to screw the President & America ) and a sequence of perfectly planned and executed events that makes an Oceans 11 movie look like an accident. Or space aliens. Haven't heard that one in a while. Personally, although the above conspiracy ( not the space aliens ) is pretty darn plausible in the face of recent history and current events, I'm going to hold my opinion since I haven't heard many facts at all yet, and many of the published accounts I don't believe at all. ( and I can't even tell you which ones, since they all parrot the same story ) While we're on the subject of Conspiracy Theories, the latest book on JFK ( which I admit I didn't read ) has the "second shooter" being a Secret Service agent who accidentally ( no quotes, or sarcasm, it was an oops ) shot JFK after reacting to the shots and turning back to the parade. The whole "cover up" was to save the innocent agent, and the Agency, a crap storm for incompetence. The reasoning at the time was that the 2 shots Oswald hit JFK with were already fatal, ( spine severed ) and there's no reason to muddy the waters. The source of this theory is alleged to be a ballistics expert who was recruited by the Warren report to duplicate Oswald's performance with a Mannlicher Carcano, and was the only expert who could, allegedy, get the 3 shots off in time. I must insert here that both myself, and a retired Marine buddy were BOTH able to fire 3 shots from a Carcano of the type used by Oswald, with iron sights, and hit a standard silhouette target at 100 yards, each time. ( his score was 3 ten rings, I got 1 and 2 peripheral hits ) Yet I've been told it's impossible by every JFK Theory Guy. The Ballistics expert also verified the "magic bullet" beloved of the Conspiracy Folk acted just as you'd expect. ( the "over penetration" nature of the 6.5mm bullets is well known and the REASON the hot new cartridge for long range shooting is the 6.5 Creedmore ) However, the expert believed that the head shot was from a M-16 carried by the SS agents, and combined with the fact that they "lost" Kennedy's brain and some "new" pictures ( I haven't seen ) showing an Agent with a M-16 in the right place to make the infamous 3rd shot to the head that surfaced years later, are supposed to be the New Evidence of the New Theory. Hilariously, this New Theory is mockingly rejected by the Mainstream JFK Conspiracy Community, perhaps because it's not romantic at all. with no Mafia, CIA, KGB, or Illuminati connections. So for Now I'm sticking to the "Watchmen" version with the Comedian on the grassy Knoll, or the Red Dwarf Version, which is funnier. | ||
| Ratbuell |
I think the "halfway up the hotel" theory is talking about some sort of flashing alarm light, visible through a window below the shooters position. I was watching Fox News the morning after and they had a reporter in front of the hotel (well, the hotel was behind him in the camera angle) and there was even then a white lights flashing in a room below the shooters position. They talked about it then, while they were still figuring out WTF just happened, and it looked to me like either a fire alarm strobe or possibly an occupancy alarm. | ||
| Torquehd |
In the multitude of videos I saw, the flashes seemed to correspond exactly with the sound of the gunfire. I also agree it could be a flashing light from an alarm (but one random alarm in the middle of the building and zero others like it?) or something. Casino slot machine flashing light? who knows. But, the video of it and the audio of the gun shots match up in all of the videos I saw. | ||
| Court |
>>>>bump stocks are approved by the Obama ATF. So? | ||
| Aesquire |
Thus they support the public policy of the Administration for very late term abortion. It's part of Obamacare. You CAN"T want them to take away all the perfection of Obamacare, can you? Monster!  Or if you want to, just figure I've had enough lies about "common sense" gun control that I'm not giving an inch, even when I don't really give a damn about Bump Stocks. I think they are silly useless things and could care less. But the pattern of the Klan Party to take away the guns from the Negro so they can't shoot back at the lynching by dividing us in these matters just makes me refuse to be divided. They tell the hunters "no one hunts with an AR-15", to have them concede to unconstitutional restrictions to save their own lifestyle. ( Ironically, the AR-15 platform is apparently the new Popular Hunting gun ) Or if you prefer I ignore the first century of the Klan party, because the last admitted Klansmen in Congress is now dead, then substitute "anarcho-communist supporting, but just until they get total control" Party wanting to disarm honest citizens so no one will shoot back when they take your retirement savings. | ||
| Aesquire |
Commentary on Vegas. https://www.billwhittle.com/right-angle/vegas-shoo ting-aftermath-human-reptiles https://www.billwhittle.com/right-angle/vegas-shoo ting-can-we-stop Gun Culture https://www.billwhittle.com/firewall/number-one-bu llet | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/10/ji mmy_kimmel_lies_about_trump_guns_and_the_mentally_ ill.html Short form. Rich guy with professional armed guards wants your guns taken. Lies to make his plea. Misrepresents the Obama regime order to take by force the guns of the elderly if they have help with Social Security paperwork. Or have given power of attorney to a child in case of mental issues. ( not just people with problems but people preparing for possible ones as they age. ) Simply, potentially the biggest theft operation in history. ( dwarfs the E.U. theft from bank accounts in Cyprus ) | ||
| Aesquire |
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/laurettabrown/2017/1 0/05/nra-calls-for-review-of-bump-stocks-following -vegas-shooting-n2391319 Here yard go, Court. The NRA wants hearings on bumpstocks. ( II'm tempted to add "So?" ) | ||
| Aesquire |
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/10/05 /on-bump-stocks-they-shouldnt-be-banned-atf-signed -off-on-it-and-obama-green-l-n2390745 More on the subject and confirmation that other members here are correct. You don't need the bump stock to bump fire. In fact I find the silly things, or at least the one I tried ( on another's rifle ) hinder my ability to manually fire rapidly. Like a very loose handle bar wrecks the handling on a bike. Here's the thing. I'm a tech buff and mediocre shot. I like to think I can hit the narrow side of a barn, if it's not a blur on the short horizon of near sighted vision. And I know for a fact the video game kids are faster and more accurate than I in games. ( I like to imagine I'm a better seat of the pants pilot in the real world than zero experience children, but in game my P-47 gets shot down a lot ) Yet I have repeatedly shown that I can aim and shoot with some speed and reasonable accuracy. Or like an arthritic snail compared to practised amateurs. ( anyone you consider skilled is much faster than me, You are probably faster than me. Your 12 year old niece probably is too. ( so take her out and train her to enjoy shooting )) | ||
| Hughlysses |
This thing is making the rounds on Facebook. It sounds plausible, but who knows?  | ||
| Torquehd |
That sounds like something fabricated by a high school student. | ||
| Slaughter |
The internet fabrications and speculations by the ignorant are rampant. Because you don't have an answer, and cannot understand the situation - acoustics, light, human misperception, it's a conspriacy? God? Satan? Get a grip people. | ||
| Hughlysses |
^ I didn't mean to imply likely, it just seems to provide answers for the first "layer" of unanswered questions. It doesn't explain Paddock previously booking hotel rooms overlooking other outdoor music festivals, nor no doubt another myriad of things about the incident. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-04/16-unansw ered-questions-about-las-vegas-shooting-mainstream -media-doesnt-want-talk-a A fairly honest website with questions on the Vegas murders. https://www.infowars.com/former-trump-campaign-off icial-claims-las-vegas-shooter-made-isis-tape/ This from the conspiracy central folk, a "leaked" aka fake, report even they make no claim is true, in fact state it conflicts with THEIR conspiracy theory. But they print it anyway. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4626252/bomb-plane-s uspect-gothenburg-landvetter-airport/ Nothing to do with Vegas. I threw this in just in case the ISIS claims have merit. This is probably unrelated except for motive. I suppose the suspect could be a pro-EU anti-Brexit Soros paid loon. Or, hey, it's England, a violent protest against the local government for harassing him for putting his garbage can out early. ( yes, this is a thing in Airbase One ) | ||
| Aesquire |
Get a grip? Hillary, the entire late night entertainment industry, half of Congress, and the subjects of the Holy State all want to use this probably isolated, super rare, psychiatric drug related incident to cancel the Constitution. There's a grip for you. Oh, & they cheer the murders since the families at the concert are gun toting Nazis. ( obviously not true or all the windows on that side of the hotel would have holes from return fire ) Tell THEM to get a grip. I'm not making any conclusions until I get more facts. I do know for a fact that ISIS claims the alleged murderer is a convert. ISIS lies, so be skeptical. The FBI has a reputation for lies, from the top down, so anything they say is 50/50 bull. Motives range from partisan politics to busted sting operation. After all, Russia! ( leaks, fake news, lying under oath, treason, and that's internal FBI ) At this point so called leaks from anonymous former staff at the White House = political attack lies. Usually written by Hillary campaign/DNC minions to hurt the Trump regime. ( presumably the same folk on record as hiring violent mental patients to attack people at Trump rallies. But could be the folk in the next office who broke the law because Bernie was a Jew and released neo-nazi style Jew Hate memos to the public. Hard to tell. ) Who needs a grip? Every big conspiracy theory requires many people with zero leaks and clockwork precision of unlikely events. Oceans 11 stuff. They never stand up. JFK, 9/11, Area 51 Aliens..... The proven stuff on each isn't good enough for conspiracy folk. Ex marine defector to Soviet Union, rejected for being crazy and useless, paper trail on weapon, busted for being suspicious. Bragged about by bin Laden on video to Arab Shiek that the bulk of the hijackers didn't know it was a suicide mission and isn't that hilarious? US Air Force base used to test top secret airplanes that loves that people believe Independence Day since then they don't notice the stealth bombers because they're looking for flying saucers. No verified conspiracy there. ( even the Air Force admits they love the UFO nuts covering the real secrets being tested ) So while I love the entertainment value of a good conspiracy, I don't buy any that aren't open, obvious, and documented. Like pro-publica and multiple other websites are publicly funded by the same man who is insanely rich because he wrecks economies to make fortunes on money markets. Also the same guy sold 14 tons of gold to cash in on, & deliberately crash, the gold market. No conspiracy there. All documented. Ask Hungary or Russia or England. Or your stock broker. But that's not any fun. UFO hiding John Denver in Himalayan base is so much better. ( & I just made it up ) | ||
| Aesquire |
Now, where were we? Oh yeah, psychiatric drugs, weird family history, professional gambler/money laundering guy, really no known motive, few facts available on suicide note or contents of computers. FBI seems full of crap. Any sane person would wait a while to see what comes out next, and hold his opinions for a better understanding. That's what I prefer, but you gotta stick the crazy stuff up on the wall with the yarn & pushpin web for entertainment while you wait. & it's open season on the violent hate filled left that publicly says they hope only Trump supporters die while cheering an attack on a concert. What will Nancy Sinatra say if the guy's home is wall to wall Hillary posters? Jimmie Kimmel say if the guy has all his shows on Beta tape on continuous replay? Megadeath fanboy? Shrine to de Molay? ( Knights Templar ) Your turn to pick most ironic revelation. | ||
| Ourdee |
OK, The pictures appear to show broken windows. My next question is a follow the money thought. Professional gambler? Where did the money really come from? | ||
| Torquehd |
You mean the same ISIS that claims that hurricanes were recent converts to islam and allah's revenge against secular capitalism? | ||
| Torquehd |
To be fair, I'm all for blaming them. And then turning ISIStan into a sheet of radioactive glass. That is the answer. | ||
| Aesquire |
The ISIS claims that the alleged murderer was a six month convert is so far unproven. It would be a simple answer to the motivation question. I have to consider that I'm inclined to buy that explanation easily since so many times it's true. Not reject out of hand, but stay skeptical. I'm putting this #2 probable after mental illness. Subject to change as evidence shows differently. Domestic Party politics is third on my probable list. | ||
| Sifo |
I'm putting this #2 probable after mental illness. No doubt it's mental illness. It's only a question of brand. ISIS? Anti-depressant drugs? Anti-Trump hatred? Some combination of all of the above? There's evidence of two, and what appears to be a baseless claim for the third. It's interesting that we have heard zero about the note pad and pen that was on the table next to his body. It may have just been the hotel note pad that is available in every room when you check in. It could also be a lengthy manifesto. It's a shame that question is being left unanswered. Has the press even asked the question? | ||
| Aesquire |
The meme.thread cartoon posted today answered that. Looks like the media doesn't want to investigate, just exploit. They don't want the answer. It's probably pointing to their favorites. I'd think so if I was CNN. You don't want the Hillary campaign connection out there. | ||
| Torquehd |
Just reviewed a few more "100% proof there were 2 shooters" videos on youtube. Although in some of the videos, the flash coming from the 10-14th-ish floor does appear to be muzzle flash corresponding to the auditory cyclic bursts, there are other videos that seem to clearly show that the strobe effect occurs quite regardless of auditory gun shots. I'm thinking that theory is probably de-bunked. I'd like to add an observation. The shooter seems to take an extraordinarily long time to change mags. You can hear cyclic fire for 50 or so rounds, then it stops for a good 30 seconds before re-engaging. Brand new privates in basic don't take 10 seconds to change mags. Strange. Edit. Second observation. If you watch a lot of the footage, and interviews, people seemingly continue to stand around because they just can't believe "something like that would happen here". Lesson to be learned; If you hear something that could be gunshots, or see something that could be imminent danger, GTFO. Take a tactical pause if need be but if you even suspect an attack, don't hesitate. In SERE you learn the concept of "go ugly early", meaning if you're in a survival situation with no food, start eating bugs and worms ASAP. I'd say do the same thing with potential imminent danger. "better safe than sorry", or better look like an ass than wind up with yourself or loved ones dead because you failed to act. (Message edited by torquehd on October 07, 2017) | ||
| Aesquire |
https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/2017/10/05/l as-vegas-killer-lone-wolf-maybe-not/ Apparently the alleged murderer was scouting other attacks. Pretty ambitious. Can anyone think of anything that happened in the fall of 2016 that might have triggered the Las Vegas madman to go over the edge? https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/10/04/las-vegas- gunmans-homicidal-rage-politically-motivated/ All is just speculation. I'm still lacking data. But I do admit that if A guy started buying lots of guns right after Obama got elected and then shot up a Hip Hop concert, you would wonder about motive. ( and if NBC anchors were calling for his murder before the Inauguration, and comedians were displaying fake severed heads of Barry, while Vanity Fair wrote editorials on how crass a bitch Michelle was.... ) | ||
| Sifo |
Just reviewed a few more "100% proof there were 2 shooters" videos on youtube. Although in some of the videos, the flash coming from the 10-14th-ish floor does appear to be muzzle flash corresponding to the auditory cyclic bursts, there are other videos that seem to clearly show that the strobe effect occurs quite regardless of auditory gun shots. I'm thinking that theory is probably de-bunked. I have to agree. There would also be the problem with keeping the broken glass hushed up. I'm not sure about multiple shooters being completely ruled out though. I posted this earlier, kind of wondering if someone else might have thoughts on it. In the first 75 seconds of the video, you hear gun fire, along with what sounds to me like echo of that same gun fire. Then you hear gun fire that sounds incredibly different, and even the cabbie shooting the video commented that it sounds like gun fire from a different location. The rest of the video is just personal drama that I don't think adds anything toward understanding what happened. But listen to that first 75 seconds and ask yourself if you can rule out at least one other shooter. I'm not going to call it 100% proof, but I would be interested in how this might be a single shooter from a single location. | ||
| Torquehd |
I wonder if cabbie was too confused by everything going on to realize that it got quieter because she rolled the window up. I'm not saying that she did for sure, but it's possible. Gunfights can be confusing things, especially when they take you by surprise. |
