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     Aesquire |
For years the Klan would suggest that blacks register and vote Democrat. Suggest with a beating and burning a cross in their yard. They never gave up that voting block of racist southern whites. The propaganda line is that the southern white racist Democrat vote went to Trump. Bush. Reagan. Nixon. Goldwater. That's a lie. The abolitionist Christian southern Democrats voted for Goldwater. Nixon. Reagan. Bush. Trump. They've been trotting that lie out since before most of you were born. It was and still is a lie. The racist Democrat Party certainly has abandoned it's black servants. It is a deliberate decision to go after the Hispanic illegal immigrant illegal vote and to give illegal immigrants illegal votes. Forever Democrat, of course. We now know the majority vote claimed by Hillary is accounted for by illegal votes. Mostly in CA. Meanwhile.....back on the plantation, while screwing the black subjects with cheap labor and anti business regulations, the message to blacks is they are incapable and irresponsible and thus must hate the Enemy which isn't screwing them. ( the Republicans ) At the same time the leftists in the Democrat Party defend and push Islamic destruction of western civilization, with the international global goal of ending the Republic. Just as the Soviets and now the Russian Empire aid and arm the Jihadists in Syria & Iran, while killing them in Chechnya. Loyalty is for suckers believes the Left. | ||
| Rick_a |
The whole thing is based on a tiered hierarchy of victimhood predicated on a fair bit of ignorance and indoctrination and spurred on by the media. It's disgusting, destructive, and corrosive. I grew up in an era when freedom and capitalism were seen as good things. The Marxists, socialists, communists and assorted post modernists are really coming out of the woodwork lately. The stuff they teach kids in the humanities and through the liberal arts are just breeding a cult of future activists. The stuff they parrot is unbelievable. They are in essence spurring on the decline of western society for votes. Jordan Peterson discusses it here quite succinctly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Urd0IK0WEWU | ||
| Hootowl |
That was worth two hours. Thank you. | ||
| Blake |
I sure do appreciate Dr. Peterson. We need more like him. | ||
| H0gwash |
One of the things that has made America a great country is that we have been the worlds melting pot. The Democrat's strategy is to keep various groups feeling separated from the whole. That has not been my experience. I've found the democrats more inclusive and more willing to integrate various religions and races into a singular party. I've seen republicans try a similar outreach, but they have not been as successful on the whole so far, hopefully that will change. While I value conservativism in spending, I don't value conservativism in culture as much. | ||
| H0gwash |
...flooding the lower end of the job market with cheap illegal workers helps the Black community? Or any one else? It gets tricky when you pit various minority groups against each other. While we are in agreement regarding illegals, I think the implied question of flooding the market with cheap legal workers is still an integral part of the capitalist machine and the fear of getting outworked or outskilled keeps everyone from getting too lazy. One of the best ways to get the best work for the cheapest price is to pit employees against each other, to have them compete. Trump made a whole show about it which I enjoyed watching. | ||
| Aesquire |
Look at the Disney ABC hiring of foreign workers to be trained by American workers who then are laid off. Illegally. With gag orders or their severance pay becomes hyper lawyer pain. Silicon valley oligarchs are pushing for more foreign workers. Democrats inclusive? Yes but diversity in isolation. The big tent has divided rooms. Certainly won't defend Republican Party apparatchiks either. Conservative to them means status quo and stay in power. The Party Establishment hates Trump and the Tea Party. Both rock the boat. Not a surprise that the don't want change Establishment is crud at enlisting new talent. They don't want it interfering in the same old same old. The answer is revolt by ballot. Challenges to the old guard. That's going to be grass roots since the Party won't like it or put money into it. Wouldn't be smart for the Old Guys. Pretty much the case if you've been in the District of Corruption for a decade you belong in Gitmo. | ||
| Rick_a |
The Democrats pander to them for votes. Different than "inclusion." It's identity politics 101. The Republicans don't delineate their party by race...which is considered racist by the social constructionists. The classic Democrats are okay. The establishment on both sides are trash. | ||
| Aesquire |
The real difference between Parties isn't the rank and file. The odds are good that if you come from a D family, you're a D. And vice Versa. It's also common for adolescents to go for the Other Party just to rebel against the parents. That sounds all contradictory, but the point is that for a LOT of people, they didn't choose their Party by some process of logic or elimination. It's just the group they are part of. Some people Do choose based on ethics or principles or simply because they are rejected by that group., ( or there is a perception, true or not, that you would be rejected ) In the end, the real difference between Parties is the Strategy of Means. The D Party has used Terror, Division and Hate for more than 150 years as shown by the Klan, the Jim Crow Laws, The Welfare Plantation, and PC Education. A century ago, the Authoritarian State As Religion movement started digging in to the Democrat party ( both Parties ) and found fertile ground in the acceptance of Hate for Power, the essential Strategy basis for the Left. Their power has grown to the point where a Socialist ran for President in the Democrat Party, and both Hillary and Obama have been endorsed by the Communist Party USA. I't the strategy of making your enemy pure evil and not only not worth listening too, but someone who must be Shut Up to protect against Contamination. ( rant tearing the Republicans a well deserved new one deleted for length and curse words. Including Abolitionist Absolutism, and Holier than Thou without cause, and...... ) | ||
| Macbuell |
I have to resist doing this with almost every one of your posts ... so with a big grin and meant in the best possible way .... TLDR  | ||
| Aesquire |
Fair enough.  Should I skip historical context and just cut to the basic fact that the Klan Party is now the Stalin Party? Or has Stalin been so erased folk don't know why that's a bad thing? | ||
| Aesquire |
Almost a pity I deleted my rant on the Republicans. I got all eloquent & stuff. It's more fun picking on the sexually repressed. | ||
| Macbuell |
No. Keep doing what you do. I enjoy your contributions. Sometime i just don't have the time or energy but I always get around to reading them, eventually. | ||
| Hootowl |
I find myself disgusted by my agreement with the klan. Democrats are erasing history. Their own history. It kind of sucks. I wonder though...should Germany keep Nazi statues around? Why not? Does the same reason apply to Confederate statues? Regardless of why the civil war was fought, the South is remembered for the perpetuation of slavery. Confederate symbols are therefore symbols of that oppression. I don't know. It's a tough call. At least they're not destroying the statues. Perhaps there will be a place for them some day. Oh yeah, and...fvck the klan. | ||
| Hootowl |
Oops. Link for above post. http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/08/us/kkk-rally-charlot tesville-statues/index.html | ||
| Ratbuell |
*having* statues is one thing. *worshiping* them is the problem. I'm a firm believer that those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. So I also believe we should keep statues and relics...with caveats/disclaimers that "this is an example of evil, and here is why we need to make sure we never do this again". Like Auschwitz - these relics need to be put into the "grim reminder" category and it needs to be globally understood that these items ARE grim, and are NOT to be revered nor worshiped, but are kept solely to remind us what not to do. They ARE history. Good or bad, they are fact. Their elimination is an attempt to eliminate those facts, and change (skew) the historical narrative that shaped our nation - in effect, turning our history into a series of convenient lies and storytelling. Not everyone gets a trophy. Sometimes people get hurt or killed. It is our job to ALWAYS remember those facts, and teach our children about them. | ||
| Tootal |
Back in 84 I toured a concentration camp in Flossenburg Germany. They had built a church there to honor those killed. Each stained glass window represented a county and in the middle it had the number from that country. There were only 2 or 3 Americans if memory serves. I could go through my pictures and find out. I recommend that anybody visiting Germany seek out one of these camps and see what they really did there. I'll never forget it, that's for sure! | ||
| Pwnzor |
Snowflakes melt when history's light shines on them. The only way they can go on is to extinguish the light. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2017/07/10/ bill-maher-under-fire-for-joke-about-korean-people -and-nail-salons/ HBO will edit out offensive remarks on replays of his show. So you are pretending that they never happened? Rewriting the past to look better? How is this different than the Party of the Confederacy taking down statues to lie about themselves? | ||
| Tootal |
Here's the St. Louis version: http://www.forestparkstatues.org/confederate-memor ial/ A local micro brewery owner and white liberal guiltist, told everyone that he and his friends were going to tear this statue down because it's racist! Well then Black Lives Matter joined in but then the Patriot Riders went on the defense. Love those guys! So then the city got involved and said they were going to tear it down. Then it came down to how are they going to raise the money, the city is broke. The daughters of the revolution, who owned the statue and were granted a place to put it OVER 100 YEARS AGO!, sold their rights to the Civil War Museum. The city said they were taking it down and putting it in a warehouse but the Civil War Museum sued them since the city doesn't own it. Anyway, the Museum won out and took it down with the understanding they can not display it anywhere in St. Louis or St. Louis county. So it will someday come out of hiding at a Confederate memorial somewhere, all because some hipster moron opened his mouth. As much as I like their beer I'll never have another. I can't support stupidity unless I'm forced too, as in taxes! | ||
| Aesquire |
Just guessing. The micro brewery owner is a big supporter of the Klan Party? So his outrage is conditional on how good it makes him feel about himself. It's over the top and unfair to point out this is like modern Nazis demanding death camp museums be destroyed so people will forget their spiritual ancestors sins. But only a little. | ||
| H0gwash |
How strange it is that I agree with Ratbuell. | ||
| Aesquire |
When you get past the labels meant to divide us you often find common ground. Back over a decade ago they had a protest in San Francisco with tens of thousands, many paid and shipped in from across the country, to complain about the evils of then President Bush. The next week a couple thousand ( less than 20k) came to the same place to support the Prez. When asked about the difference, the organizer said, "we have jobs and go to class....". For most people, D and R, that's reality. The rioters are either semi-rich college kids who major in useless studies ( with "do you want fries with that?" futures until robots take those jobs) or are professional agitators with some twisted religious zeal. Most people who defend Donald don't like his crap. But the fanatical hate that pours from his enemies puts them in that position. It's easy enough to point out how the Libertarian party folk are unrealistic. But the foundation that you as an individual have rights and the government shouldn't control your life unless you mess with others is a moral good. They warn and complain of abuse, but don't tell people they should murder Judges and Congressmen. Otoh, the authoritarian left does the hate and violence promotion, while the complaints are largely fake. Don't recall who said it but if the gun rights folk and the drug legalization folk got together it would be revolutionary. America, #$/^ yeah! ..... Freedom is the only way, yeah. | ||
| Rick_a |
There is a test of political compass here, for the politico-curious: https://www.politicalcompass.org/test/ Their own political analysis are terrible, but the test itself is pretty good. As someone who reads nearly zero insofar as fiction and who regards emotional matters largely as trivialities, I find the narrative building and emotional pandering techniques of the regressive left extremely off-putting. The very essence of my being is repulsed by such nonsense. | ||
| Aesquire |
Yeah, but you are not the target market. Neither am I, although I do read fiction and have gradually learned that emotional matters are important to a lot of people, including the majority gender. I even cry at Disney movies. ( not racking sobs, I'm no wimp, just a hint of moisture, or that could be 3D eyestrain, and if she thinks I'm emotionally accessible, good enough. ) I'm picky on my fiction. Hard SF and SF military stuff is my favorite. You might find it helpful to read the works of Robert Heinlein and Poul Anderson. The hallmark of a truly great philosopher is that he never writes books on philosophy, and those two are the best. Anderson for how to get along with people who are conspicuously wrong, and Heinlein for when not to. Niven, Larry; Harrington, Matthew Joseph (2013-06-25). The Goliath Stone (p. 287). Tom Doherty Associates. Kindle Edition. Niven has written some of the best stuff out there, including "Footfall" with Jerry Pournelle, considered The alien invasion story, and also with Jerry "A Mote in God's Eye" first contact, and "Oath Of Fealty" Archology. And others. Niven's solo stuff is also ground breaking, although a few of his earliest stories have obsolete astronomy. ( Mercury is not tidally locked as once thought ) | ||
| Hootowl |
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/13/sanders -draws-democratic-challenger-tired-his-robin-hood- shtick.html Robin Hood? I think not. Robin Hood stole tax money from the tax collectors, and returned it to the overtaxed citizenry. That's not Bernie's modus operandi. Bernie takes taxes from the earners, and then bribes voters with "free" shit. That they're not actually getting all the free shit they've been promised pisses them off. Hence the angst and violence displayed by the socialist left. | ||
| Ratbuell |
...and now the Democrats want to BLOW UP RUSSIA. SMH. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/07/13 /paul_begala_we_should_be_considering_blowing_up_t he_kgb_over_alleged_election_interference.html | ||
| Aesquire |
Just so I'm clear on this.... the same KGB that gave us a communist Pope. Created the Green Party to destroy western industry, arms Iran to destroy western civilization. Infiltrated the State dept and other govt. branches. And committed countless war crimes, assassinations, and terrorists. I agree. Let's start here. Purge the government of KGB influence. Defund the Soylent. Tell the truth. Then these folk can feel free to go to Russia and protest. They may make it back. But blowing up the KGB? Not smart. You keep an eye on them. Not create new unknown agents. I must assume they don't mean nuke Moscow. ( because I know they are lying about their outrage, no doubt as instructed by their Controls ) | ||
| Rick_a |
Right...everything is "free" until they start paying taxes...all of a sudden people become conservatives  | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/07 /17/chinese-state-media-rails-human-rights-losers- liu-xiaobos-death/ Oops, I thought this was about the DNC. |
