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     Reepicheep |
Not just his livelyhood. Watching that video with it's combination of blind aggression and spectacularly bad decision making, I believe he was defending his life and the life of the person to his right. I don't know how anyone could watch that video and honestly state that the probability of the store owner just being executed as part of the crime was anything less than 50/50. | ||
| Mtnmason |
Looks like Groover scored a CNS hit on the first or second shot from what appears to be a 1911. I am in favor of the shock wave theory. Looking at the height/angle of the gun, I can't see how Groover would have hit the case himself. It appears that he was using it as concealment and firing over the top. I can't imagine the emotional toll that such an event would cause. I'm sure that as time passes Mr. Groover will be able to rationalize that had he not acted so quickly, it may well have been him bleeding out on the floor of his own shop. | ||
| Court |
>>>I'm told he is somewhat of an emotional wreck for having to take the life of that scumbag. >>>I can't imagine the emotional toll that such an event would cause. Both insightful comments. Here's my take, as a person who has been shot 3 times and still, years later, suffers the trauma of it. I also have a brother in law in, like Groover, acted in an instant killing a perp in his own kitchen in a domestic dispute on xmas day several years ago. He did the RIGHT thing (the guy had rapidly pulled a weapon from his back pocket and Bill drew and fired without the blink of an eye . . . right, but traumatic. Groover saved, I am also convinced, his own life and the life of his colleague. It is going, right or wrong, to weigh heavily one him but it's a predictable element of the awesome level of responsibility he assumed when he strapped that pistol on. I feel sorry for Groover and his colleague . . they were the victims here. What kind of dumb son of a bitch walks into a gun store and pulls a weapon. I'm not sure how guns stores are around the country . . .but at my gunship, High Plains, in Kansas . . .each and every person in the store is armed and highly trained. Pulling a gun would be a suicide mission. My heart is with Groover and I hope he gets therapy. He may not know it yet . . .but he will have to. I suppose my position is unique but I hear the frequent idle "I'd just shoot the guy" conversations a lot different than most . . . . for an interesting exercise . . try extrapolating the next 6 months of your life after being involved in a shooting. For more run . . . try extrapolating 40 years. | ||
| Pwnzor |
My Tae Kwon Do instructors ALL taught me one thing that has stuck with me all these years. The best possible defense is to use your feet: point them in the opposite direction of the threat, and run like hell if you can. There is no good reason to stand and fight anybody, if you are able to get away without injury. | ||
| Hootowl |
"my gunship" You've got to be a real moron to try to rob someone who owns a gunship!   | ||
| Blake |
There's something beautiful about propellers. | ||
| Blake |
On that attempted robbery... Any news on the perps? I find zero. | ||
| Ourdee |
I would like to know if he got any rounds on target #2? | ||
| Ourdee |
There is an earlier news story with a lot more details: http://www.wmcactionnews5.com/story/34132332/polic e-investigate-incident-in-cobb-county | ||
| Ourdee |
another: http://www.wmcactionnews5.com/clip/12989944/gun-st ore-owner-shoots-kills-would-be-robber | ||
| Ourdee |
So now, I am thinking that perp #1 only got one round off because the magazine fell out of pistol #1 leaving just the round that was in the chamber. He fired that round and learned his gun was empty. Then he tried for pistol #2. Store owner just did what he does every day. Helped a man that came through the front door with a firearm problem. | ||
| Macbuell |
That was excellent shooting by the store owner. It looked like he hit the guy with his first shot. Quick draw, under duress, that's was very impressive. I feel bad for the guy though. No matter how righteous, no man should be put in that position and forced to make that decision. | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
So you think that clownshoes tried to rob a place with two guns and ONE bullet? | ||
| Ourdee |
In the store video you can see what looks like a magazine moving on the floor as perp #1 clears the column. Would have left one bullet in the first pistol. The round that whizzed past the store owner and lodged in the wall behind him. The weapon not firing a second time or the slide staying back would have prompted perp #1 to pull the second pistol. | ||
| Ourdee |
I believe perp #1 came into the store with both weapon's magazines topped off. I also believe that he would have dumped the contents of the first magazine into the store owner if it have not fell from the magazine well as he moved into a firing position. The skill/proficiency of the store owner was only part of the story of his survival, if I am correct in what I think happened. Drawing on a drawn gun requires a tremendous amount of luck. Jimmy was blessed. | ||
| Gregtonn |
It is time to get rid of the silly regulations on suppressors. https://www.nraila.org/articles/20170113/your-memb ers-of-congress-need-to-hear-from-you-on-the-heari ng-protection-act-of-2017 G | ||
| Rick_a |
I'd like to see the machine gun registry re-opened. The entirety of the NFA is a sham to begin with. Using tax clauses to control weapons as interstate commerce is a real stretch. I've heard leanings in leftist circles of making "assault weapons" NFA weapons. What idiots. | ||
| Aesquire |
The Party of the Klan will not rest until you have been disarmed. But the smart ones recognize that they can't just send storm troopers to kick doors of millions of formerly peaceful citizens. So they will continue to take and take little steps and use any means necessary to win. Of course making an imaginary thing illegal and declaring you posses it to take your property at gunpoint is standard practice in a post fact society. | ||
| Tootal |
I was visiting my gun dealer many years ago and the restaurant next door called and told him his order was ready for pick up. He asked me to watch the shop while he grabbed his lunch. I went behind the counter and he showed me the 357 revolver on top of the cash box. If I was unable to get a shot off just give them the box. Once they leave the store grab the mini 14 with the red dot scope and shoot them in the back...don't worry about the police. Fortunately nothing happened while I was there but a month later some moron tried to rob him when there just happened to be four cops in the back of the store looking at holsters. Not his lucky day. He didn't get shot, the sound of four guns being cocked engaged his brain I guess. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/443981/new-y ork-times-concealed-handgun-crime-numbers-are-bogu s Since the days of the Pharaohs it has been the habit of the slave owner to not want anyone but themselves to have the means to violence. Since Marx & his drinking buddies came up with a ripped off, fundamentally dishonest, and anti freedom system for taking other people's governments, the trend to consider all who are not of the Party, slaves, has accelerated. The folk lying to your face and demanding you give up your means to resist violence somehow imagine that in they end they will run the plantations, and you will serve them. Combine the self righteous racism of the plantation & Klan with the deliberate dishonesty and aim to make All men slaves of Marxism, and we have the folk today that deeply, honestly feel that it is a Good Thing to lie to your face to steal your stuff. It would be a mental illness in any other world. But when it approaches a majority, it becomes a pathology. ( historically, when this happens, the Goths/barbarians/Others take over ) | ||
| Torquehd |
While this isn't for me, it seems like a great concept. I'd like to play with one. | ||
| Ourdee |
I am thinking SmartCarry.com . I've been surfing through reviews. I am concealing a 1911 and need all the help I can get. | ||
| Rick_a |
My kids 10/22 in liberty training rifle style. It has a match trigger, Williams rear sight, a USGI style leather sling, and the stock was shortened 1" with a fitted buttpad.  20170123_084642 by Slick_Rick77, on Flickr  20170123_084732 by Slick_Rick77, on Flickr My dedicated 22lr AR pistol is starting to come together.  20170120_134917_Richtone(HDR) by Slick_Rick77, on Flickr | ||
| Torquehd |
I love the 10/22. And I would LOVE a .22 AR! Shoot all day for $5 with no ear pro! | ||
| Rick_a |
Yup. That one's going to be suppressed. It's getting an old school knurled free float tube that the suppressor will poke about an inch out of. | ||
| Ourdee |
That will be the stuff. Wet can, or larger volume for max effectiveness? I like the 10/22 with the can that looks like an over sized bull barrel that Israel tried out for a time.  They now are planning on using an unsuppressed SR-22. | ||
| Rick_a |
The can is a Gemtech GM-22.  Those integral suppressors are neat and effective...but expensive. | ||
| Ducbsa |
Don't try to mug her: https://youtu.be/vM6dL7HCfP8 | ||
| Rick_a |
The boy finally gets some rounds down range with this. He did okay. He shoots his air rifle head to head with me. I think the recoil and action may take some getting used to. Both of us utilized the kneeling position.  Screenshot_2017-02-04-00-26-14 by Slick_Rick77, on Flickr  20170203_162423 (1) by Slick_Rick77, on Flickr Telling me all about it.  20170203_162544 by Slick_Rick77, on Flickr https://youtu.be/aFEEGIclgoc | ||
| Rick_a |
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