| Author | Message | ||
     Torquehd |
It should be pretty obvious that, for a long time, various entities have been using social programming in attempt to destabilize the United States. The intent of this thread is to discuss subversion and maybe bring to light some things that the mass base of the populace does not know or does not think about. Yuri Bezmenov is a former KGB agent who defected to the US; he went public some years ago and subsequently died a mysterious death (of course). His field of work was destabilization. He has a few hours worth of information on youtube. It's legit. I encourage you to look up more of his videos; IMHO this is college level information that everyone would do well to be exposed to. While I DO NOT believe that the Russians hacked the DNC server, I do believe that they have been running destabilization campaigns around the world for a long time, to include the U.S. Destabilization is funded by George Soros, and other like minded individuals. Unless you walk around with your eyes and ears closed, you've probably noticed the amount of organization and preparation that has been characteristic of riots/protests the last few years. Enter Lisa Fithian and other "community organizers". This stuff doesn't happen by accident. "I create crisis, because crisis is that edge where change is possible". (Message edited by torquehd on February 02, 2017) | ||
| Torquehd |
45 communist goals presented before Congress in 1963. Most of these have already been successfully executed. http://www.rense.com/general32/americ.htm | ||
| Fb1 |
From 2014:
Source, more: http://www.breitbart.com/blog/2014/07/11/do-not-do ubt-the-power-of-the-cloward-piven-strategy/ ^ This helps explain, in part, why the left is going absolutely bat-shit crazy now that President Trump is calling the shots... | ||
| Swampy |
The news media keeps showing protesters getting violent and doing property damage, trying to get you to think that ALL of the protesters are involved in the rioting, but if you watch closely you will see that the ones doing the damage and getting violent are wearing face masks, dressed in black, move in small bands of 6-12 and are carrying the Anarchists flag. They don't look to be part of the larger group of protesters but look to infiltrate, do their damage and run off. I would say that if the Anarchists can be stopped the protests would be pretty boring. | ||
| Torquehd |
The news media keeps showing protesters getting violent and doing property damage, trying to get you to think that ALL of the protesters are involved in the rioting Depends on where you get your news from. While I don't buy half of what he says, I've seen a lot of Alex Jones interviews where he talks to peaceful protesters at said events. I have seen those guys in the most recent protests. But there has been a ton of footage taken over the years; they're not the only ones. Watch the Yuri Bezmenov video above called "Destroying a society". Evil men take what could be peaceful protests and start fires, then organize (sometimes pay) people to throw gasoline on said fires. Or molotov cocktails, whatever is handy. However, in many cases, the act of crowds protesting is the direct result of subversion through media. Read the "45 goals of communism" article above. The CIA has admittedly taken part in some of those, such as experimenting with and paying for the advent of "ugly art", which was instituted by the Soviet state to program peasants to accept living in an ugly, impoverished world. Intentional social engineering, not natural social evolution, has demoralized (or re-moralized) societies- America and abroad. One of Mao Zedong's tactics was encouraging good loyal communists to publicly shame people who disagreed with them. Drag them into the street, in front of a crowd, scream at them, intimidate them. By doing so you can "cure men of their ills". That's how he portrayed it. It often turned into violence. But the bulk of society accepted the practice because someone prominent said it was a good idea. AND not only did they accept the public shaming, but they also embraced the concept that drove the need for public shaming. Mrs Qi has 12 steamed buns? That's not fair, everyone else in the village only has 10. Get her out here and we'll give her what-for! YES, that kind of thing happened all over China, especially during the Cultural Revolution. Guided social "evolution". (Message edited by torquehd on February 02, 2017) | ||
| Court |
This is going to get good . . . . violence in NYC tonight and THIS is what was going home in kids' backpacks.  | ||
| Torquehd |
That's the Soviet MO. Indoctrination instead of education. If you haven't watched any of Yuri Bezmenov's videos, do it now! His material directly addresses these concepts! | ||
| Etennuly |
Wow Court. That is shameful, childish, leftest, and probably the best a sore looser Democratic group of in charge school yard bullies could come up with. If something like that had ever come home with one of my kids they would have gotten more than a returned flyer with a note! This subversive activity has been going on for eons. What makes it different in this era is it is more 'in your face' with EVERYONE having access to it in the palm of their hand. The Internet has become a fantastic gateway for all teams on the global field. It is not, and has never been a one way street. This is what the entire Cold War was about and what we used to be better at than everyone else, ergo we won that last round. Control of information wins wars, battle fields prove willfulness and meaning as well as controls population. | ||
| Reepicheep |
And it is exactly what got the Democrats out of power. I haven't followed the Devo's nomination closely. At the end of the day, I want to give the president who won the ability to pursue his vision. He has a lot more time and energy to pick and vet than I do, so I'll hold my judgement until they start in the job unless there is something glaring. Like him, I'll hammer them when they do something stupid, but they deserve the chance to try, and they are clearly already successful enough in other ventures to be qualified to try it. But the more I hear the entrenched school systems and supporters howl with and exaggerate, the more I am inclined to actively support the shake up. When they don't fight fair, then I mainly just want to support whoever they don't want the most, because clearly they are out of control. When they send stuff like that home, then it is clear I ***don't*** want a career educator in the reform role. I want a CEO type that has done corporate turnarounds and corporate culture transformations. Because if career educators were the solution, we wouldn't have a problem. My local schools and educators are awesome. It's the further away you get from my community that the commons sense and customer orientation seems to vanish. My local schools would know better than to send that home.  It was funny, my oldest is a freshman in a college engineering program. He was ranting about how stupid it is to have to take 4 semesters of Calculus taught by educators that really aren't that interest in educating. He is right of course, and correctly observed that the main reason he has to take them is because they had to take them, and they had to take them because the person that taught them had to take them, etc. One or two semesters to understand what integration and derivation do and how they do it and how they can be applied? Sure. That's important. But four semesters of reviews of derivations of already understood transformations without any practical applications just to "weed out" 40% of the kids in the program? Profitable, and lazy, horse^&^%. Good for him for seeing it so soon. But then the next day I saw him ranting on Facebook about how crazy Trump was for nominating a secretary of education that wasn't a career educator and that isn't approved by the career educator cabal. The exact same ones that are forcing all that calculus instead of something much more useful like maybe a semester of advanced excel instead of a semester of calculus, and maybe some big data classes, both of which are arguably more powerful than the calculus they are learning. Anyway. I got a chuckle out of it. Raging against the man, then complaining that the man is being replaced. Ah to be young again. | ||
| Airbozo |
Educators are like the rest of society, Good ones and bad ones. For the most part Teachers are there because they want to be and want to make an impact in some child's life. Most teachers have more education than a lot of doctors, but get treated like they are janitors and street sweepers. I hear the right complaining about the education system being a liberal indoctrination center, but even here in California, I don't see that. I know hundreds of Teachers and professors and the mix between right and left is almost even. Except in extreme cases we see in the "news", most teachers keep their politics out of the classroom. Teachers have been under attack for many years, by folks who blame them for not raising their kids properly or parents who need someone to blame for their and their kids failures. Most recently because when a child hits high school, the rules change and you are no longer passed to the next grade unless you actually deserve it. Kids and parents have been taught by elementary and jr. high schools that failure is success and if you yell loud enough you get your way. The yelling still works somewhat in High School, but not in college. I am not a fan of the charter schools because the success rates are a lie. They work for some students, but not most, especially since they get to choose the students that attend their schools. Their teachers are also not required to have the education and certifications required by public schools. Would you go to a Charter Hospital, knowing your Doctor does not have to hold the same level of education and training as a doctor at a regular hospital? Most would not. Then there is the Special Education part of charter schools. Or I should say the lack of Special Education. They are not required to accept students with special needs. If they do accept a special needs child, the charter schools push the assessments and legal liabilities back to the public schools (the SO currently supports at least a dozen special needs children that attend Charter schools and her school does not get paid for that service, the charter school does). What the charter school will not tell you is that federal law (and most states) do not require them to have teachers with special needs training and that legally allows them to reject the child and/or push the services back to the public school. I'm all for fixing education, but giving our tax dollars to private charter schools is not the answer unless they are required to employ the same level of teachers as the public schools are, and the same level of certifications. I could tell you a ton of horror stories about charter schools. Some are just too unbelievable for the normal person. Do they work? Yes for some students. It really depends on the school. | ||
| Reepicheep |
My wife, who I can assure you was and would be a phenomenal teacher (and who has a teaching degree and taught professionally) is not teaching. Given where our family is at, and how she is wired, a full time job for here is just out of the question. But she does work part time. She would be one of those "not certified teachers". We looked into it, and to get her back and up to date, we would have had to spend several thousand dollars in "continuing education and accreditation". Enough that the math just didn't work for a part time teaching gig, which pays less per hour than she could make in the cafeteria. So while I couldn't be more convinced about the need for very talented, passionate, and well trained teachers, some of the "certified teacher" stuff is just nonsense, and is mainly about educating educators to educate educators to keep educators employed educating educators. And lets face it, the elementary education curriculum isn't exactly the most challenging. I think being an elementary educator is one of the hardest jobs on the planet, but I don't think a degree in elementary education is what will make you either succeed or fail at that job. I suspect a 4 year paid apprenticeship partnered with a proven successful educator combined with a 2 year degree that is more bout the facts you teach than the teaching would be FAR more effective at creating talented and equipped elementary educators. | ||
| Macbuell |
My wife is an educator and I know a lot of the people she works with. For the most part they are good people that just want to do right by the kids. There are some bad apples of course. The bigger problems come from the administrators and the school boards. That's where the ideology and downward push of that ideology to the kids comes from. | ||
| Aesquire |
Other than the "certifications" part I agree. A degree in education used to be reality based, now it's indoctrination. But you are right about most teachers, 90% are dedicated, hard working ( no, harder than that ) and great hearted folk. ( full disclosure, 3 aunts & my mother were teachers. That's just the generation before me. There's also a family trend to Lifeguards in the last 2 generations and you don't have to go back much further to get.... uh... sentenced to be drawn & quartered for revolt against the King. Hunted by the Nazis for being in the resistance. And those are the black sheep ) You do need to keep in mind Pournelle's Iron law of bureaucracy. http://www.jerrypournelle.com/reports/jerryp/iron. html No matter how great the teachers are, they are not in charge. During the 2008 Democratic primary, Obama gave an off-the-record speech to a group of Wall Street financial executives in which he shared his frustration with the sclerotic and bureaucratic state of American education, and declared that he was close to publicly endorsing a nationwide school-choice program. (This is according to one of those in attendance.) The moneymen were enthused by this, but nothing ever came of it. In fact, Obama went hard in the opposite direction, working to gut the school-choice program in Washington, D.C., a popular program, which benefited urban black families almost exclusively. You don’t have to be a hard-boiled cynic to suspect that this has to do with the manpower and money-power of the teachers’ unions, who could have done a great deal more than they did to elevate Hillary Rodham Clinton over Barack Obama that year. Think about that: If you are the candidate of the Left running in the party of the Left, you could, in 2008, run against equal rights for gay people — but you could not, if you had any sense of self-preservation, run in favor of school choice. Justice is one thing, but getting paid is the real issue. Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444501/democ rats-betsy-devos-education-secretary-nomination-se nate One of Barry's first acts as President was to cancel a program that paid for a few inner city kids to go to the same school he was about to send his children to. Fact. look it up. So I have much admiration for teachers. Not so much for their Unions. And I am a union member. I'm not anti-union. I'm anti authoritarian leftist. There's a difference. A union is to protect the workers. The NEA does that. Too well, IMHO, but they do that. But it's not about the children. It's raw power. Power can be used for good, or for evil. Since most Bachelor of arts graduates today can't pass the 1895 Brooklyn high school final exam.... you be the judge. | ||
| Airbozo |
I agree about the unions. The NEA uses it's weight to "persuade" its members to vote certain ways. All the while using the members money to pay for trips, and golf at the local courses and driving it's political agenda. (one minor example). I was the hourly rep for the SCPEA when I worked at McDonnell Douglas in Long Beach. My fellow workers voted me in, much to the loud protesting of the senior union folks who wanted their patsy elected. I spent the next year mired in political BS and ruffled many feathers when I was able to get a by-law changed concerning how our dues were spent (no more "personal business" on union time or money). I was slandered and harassed for months afterwards and decided not to run the following year. Many years later I was part of the low voltage IBEW local chapter here in the SF Bay Area. I refused to pay dues and was harassed almost weekly. My employer was forced to pay my dues because the union threatened to exclude them from deals and other work. My company was also required to pay into my retirement through the union plan. When I quit that company years later, it took a lawsuit being filed for the union to pay out my retirement funds to another plan. They did nothing for me except to make my job more difficult. Unions are like fans; Stand behind them and they suck. Stand in front of them and they will blow you away. Stand beside them and they do nothing for you at all. They have their place, but I have been much more successful without them and make more money because I negotiate my own salary and benefits. I hated being paid the same money as the guy next to me who did everything in his power _not_ to work. I agree the certification requirements need to be changed, or at least updated. I do think that someone who intends to be a teacher of children (adults are different) should absolutely be required to know teaching methods and the psychology of how kids learn. Charter schools mostly just require a degree. Doesn't matter what degree. I also agree that the real problems are the School Boards and Administration. In my experience their number one priority is appeasing parents and not educating the children. So what to do? Become active in your community. Challenge the School Board. Run for one of the School Board positions and help to make change. Then clean house on the administration. It's also sad that like Doctors, Teachers are increasingly being asked to do more paperwork that takes them away from the classroom. They are also being asked to raise their students, something that the parents are responsible for. Here is some food for thought: A regular student has a specific dollar amount limit that can be spent on their education. There is no such limit for a special needs child, even if it lowers the limit on a non special needs student or takes fund from other school programs like equipment and facilities.. Special education funds are spent on things like: Taxis to get that child to school. Sometimes it is necessary due to physical limitations, but in other cases it is provided because the parent refuses to get out of bed and drive their child to school. Special district employees that drive around to make sure children are out of bed in time to get to school, because the parents are afraid to force their children to get out of bed. Home schooling for those kids that refuse to go to school because they are too shy or plain just don't want to go. Special education kids are also treated differently. If a S.E. student touches another student inappropriately (sexually or otherwise) or brings drugs or weapons to school, in most cases they do not get suspended or otherwise disciplined unless they can prove beyond a doubt that their behavior was not due to their learning disability. Many times the "victim" of abuse is forced to change schools instead of the perpetrator. I must stop. I have a ton of stories that would shock 99% of the population, but I am just getting upset as I type it out. Basically if we are going to give our tax dollars to alternative schools, we need to make the playing field level. Hold them to the same standards otherwise we are just shifting the problem and not solving it. | ||
| Fast1075 |
Teachers. When I was in third grade, I had a really bad bicycle crash. I was out of school a whole semester. My teacher regularly stopped by to see how I was doing, and gave me a hardbound copy of "The adventures of Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn. Sadly there are far too few teachers like that today, and students are forbidden to read the book, at least here in Flaw'da. | ||
| Aesquire |
Hold them to the same standards? Uh. No. From your own words they should be much higher standards. We could argue the merits of an education degree. How much is psych & teaching vs. Political Indoctrination. Your point on special ed kids is pertinent. It's led to witchcraft practiced in school. A child can be cursed by a school nurse or bureaucrat to a lifetime of failure. And a truckload of money to the bureaucrats for each child thus cursed..... or diagnosed, as that is the magic word used. There are learning challenged kids. ( maybe mostly from parenting not genetics ) and there are kids that would have been normal a generation ago... high spirited, too smart for their peers, that are now drugged into numbness and a source of extra income to the school. We could do a whole thread on idiot parents. But it would be more depressing than the thread on how certain groups feel an obligation to murder us..... so we can skip that.  | ||
| Aesquire |
There is backlash.... see the video inside this one... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFhdhyiK9zY | ||
| H0gwash |
Just wanted to add that my mother was a teacher for decades, now my sister is a teacher in San Jose. Mom complained bitterly about the unions. Mom did a stint with special needs kids and was surprised at how violent and out of control some were. Both are suspicious of local churches preparing for the passage of vouchers. Mom also also aligned with local criticism that there was a a huge ratio of managers to teachers in the administrative side of payroll. This is about all I know about teachers. (Message edited by h0gwash on February 05, 2017) | ||
| Aesquire |
My mother did special ed too. Read the Iron Law link in my post above. Grade school teacher: "I keep my personal politics out of the classroom" College teacher: "ok class, what is the square root of •••• Trump?" | ||
| Court |
I teach. I keep my politics completely out of my classroom. I bring my knowledge, experience and work ethic. My students, or somebody else, are paying a fortune for them to be in one of the top Ivy League universities in the country. Over 50% of my class is composed on students visiting from other countries. They can to get educated, not indoctrinated. | ||
| Ratbuell |
I was one of those "trouble" kids when I was growing up. Intimately familiar with the workings of daily detention and Saturday "breakfast club" detention. My parents were REAL parents, though. They didn't medicate me (part of that was, this was the mid-70s and that just wasn't common practice yet). They didn't "label" me. They took me to a shrink, and it was determined (rightly) that I was bored out of my gourd, and acting out because it kept me from falling asleep. They moved me to a Gifted program - problem solved. I had enough to occupy my brain that the acting out; the doodling; the throwing stuff...it all stopped, and I went to work. Like I should. Gifted program (public school) transitioned to Catholic Jr. High / High schools and ultimately to a Catholic college. Again, this is probably generational, but there wasn't nearly the indoctrination at any of these schools that there is today. We were taught OBJECTIVELY about the subject matter, whether it was current events, journalism, history, or math. And we WORKED for our grades. There were no "safe zones" or any of that crap - we went to class, we did the work, we got together with our buddies and bitched about the teachers pushing us so hard...and we did it again the next day. And I will admit I'm lucky - I had MANY teachers who were of the "teach a man to fish" mentality. They didn't simply regurgitate the information; they taught me how to FIND the information I needed, either in their class or in life at large. And this is the biggest issue we have today, I think. Nobody knows how to take care of themselves - they expect everything handed to them. Give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime. | ||
| Crusty |
Not me. I'm allergic to fish. When I eat it, I get violently ill. | ||
| H0gwash |
Okay then teach a man to fish, he eats or else vomits for a lifetime. | ||
| Dr_greg |
It was funny, my oldest is a freshman in a college engineering program. He was ranting about how stupid it is to have to take 4 semesters of Calculus taught by educators that really aren't that interest in educating. He is right of course, and correctly observed that the main reason he has to take them is because they had to take them, and they had to take them because the person that taught them had to take them, etc. One or two semesters to understand what integration and derivation do and how they do it and how they can be applied? Sure. That's important. But four semesters of reviews of derivations of already understood transformations without any practical applications just to "weed out" 40% of the kids in the program? Profitable, and lazy, horse^&^%. Good for him for seeing it so soon. Not to derail the topic, but I disagree. Even in these days of "spreadsheet engineering" I feel that a solid grounding in calculus (so-called "engineering mathematics") is important in any branch of engineering. If the 3rd and 4th semesters of his mathematics sequence were just a repeat of differential and integral calculus, the curriculum is malformed. There are several other topics in mathematics (e.g. differential equations, complex numbers, linear algebra) that should be covered beyond the first year. A firm grounding in calculus is one of the principal characteristics that distinguish engineers from technicians (not to belittle technicians; a good technician is indispensable, and IMHO one of the reasons engineering education is in trouble). Sorry, but you touched a nerve... --Doc | ||
| Zac4mac |
You just touched a nerve Doc. I spent 4 years chasing a BS in Physics after I FINALLY found a subject that kept my interest. I have no issue with being required to take 4 semesters of calculus. However I do take issue with the uni using unqualified TAs as classroom teachers. Out of 12 semesters to pass 4 classes, I had ONE full Professor. Got an A that time. The rest were F-D-C move on. Never did finish that BS.... Z | ||
| Ratbuell |
"good teacher...he really seems to care...about what, I have NO idea..." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Hn9xAaKUbw |
