| Author | Message | ||
     Aesquire |
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/11/19/uk-research ers-tax-food-to-reduce-climate-change/ Authoritarian scum want to control all aspects of your life. Period. Really any excuse to rule the peasants with an iron fist will do. In an earlier age these folk argued the divine right of Kings. Today they want to control your thermostat & how many kids you have & what you feed them. | ||
| Zac4mac |
3 days ago it was 80 dF. 2 days ago it was 36dF and snowing. Tomorrow it is supposed to hit 60... I love Colorado | ||
| Crusty |
It was like that when I lived in Colorado Springs, back in the '70s. I saw 70° F in January, and I saw snow in June. I do miss the weather there. | ||
| Ratbuell |
I got on the lawn mower yesterday (in Maryland) and it was 68. 90 minutes later when I finished it was windy as hell and 44. An hour after that, 34 and snowing. Love November. | ||
| Ducbsa |
Pretty long, but interesting http://www.city-journal.org/html/real-war-science- 14782.html | ||
| Aesquire |
For a long time I've been complaining that the boys who cried wolf are ruining science by making it obvious that some "scientists" are frauds.... and protected frauds. That hurts all science. Otoh the prosecution of scientists in Italy for not accurately predicting earthquakes shows a twisted confusion between science & religion. How Dare these scientists not warn us with their godlike powers? Well.... they can't. It's beyond their grasp. Vulcanology & quake studies are learning a lot but predictions are still very imprecise. Is this the year of the big one in CA? We get that prediction every year. Look at anti-depressant medications. Maybe someday a simple blood test will allow a quick & reliable way to chemically alter your moods as desired. Today it's literally trial and error often with a shotgun approach leading to suicides & violent outbursts from domestic violence to mass murder...... in our schools.....where doping the kids to shut them up is a far higher priority than understanding the individual needs of millions of tax revenue statistics. Science is never settled. The best we can do is get pretty close on general concepts and limited views of small stuff. Gravity seems to be pretty simple. To describe. Locally. How it actually works? Not so certain. We do have theories we like for their elegance. They change. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Great link Ducbsa. Thank you. It even includes some actual empirical evidence. The "Bill's Nutshell Summary" of that article is:
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| Sifo |
That article could make some peoples heads explode!  | ||
| Sifo |
I don't know if I'll ever trust climate science in my lifetime. They are just unrelenting. NOAA Adjustments Correlate Exactly To Their Confirmation Bias | ||
| Alchemy |
Article contains interesting graphic on Government subsidies by energy group in billions of dollars. The "Oil Patch" certainly got their money's worth with their lobbying efforts. If we could cut all these subsidies it would go a long way toward providing revenue to rebuild our infrastructure. https://electrek.co/2016/11/22/elon-musk-right-win g-trump-propaganda-campaign-against-tesla-spacex/ | ||
| Hootowl |
For an author attempting to combat propaganda, his article has all the hallmarks of propaganda. Let me get this straight. Oil companies that receive tax breaks, like all other companies, that have been in business since the early 1900s have accumulated more tax breaks than the relatively new "green" energy companies? I'm shocked. I don't know anything about Laura's organization, but on the surface it appears that the aim is to prevent further investment in "green" companies that borrow a bunch of money, pay their executives handsomely, and then either sell themselves to China, or go bankrupt. I'm not aware of any companies that Musk was involved in that have gone belly up. They came close. It happens. They've taken a lot of taxpayer money. Not tax deductions that everyone gets, mind you, but tax credits and grants. I don't agree with this groups purported goals (I'm taking the word of the obviously biased author) and would like to see his companies, especially spacex, do well. IMHO, it's more efficient to fund operationally successful private business than the wandering behemoth that NASA has become. | ||
| Ducbsa |
The progs calling tax deductions subsidies is fascinating. Just part of their worldview that your money belongs to the government. Sort of ironic that Musk's business is selling luxury cars to the wealthy and getting tax breaks for doing it. Maybe I'll start a caviar business and get 10% off my profits on $200/oz goodness. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Anyone declaring a tax deduction as a subside ought to be sueable for slander. Its one of the things that is so wrong with our country and media today. | ||
| Sifo |
Funny, I read that earlier and didn't have time to respond. I took a quick look at the graph, and my first though was that it was not too far off from representing where our energy comes from, i.e., a fairly even distribution of subsidies. I didn't catch that it was "cumulative". Of course, I probably wasn't meant to catch that. Given that it's cumulative, I have to say that "green" energies have gotten huge subsidies in their short life! That article of course, doesn't bother with the real world problems of solar and wind energy. Both require enormous amounts of land, and both have quite high environmental costs too. Neither can provide energy on demand. Both require fossil fuels as "backup". Now consider that the "subsidies" (tax breaks, or cash handouts) are really little more than a form of income redistribution. It allows the poor to use energy at a reduced price, while someone else (the not so poor) have to make up the difference somewhere else. Remove those subsidies, and energy costs will go up evenly for everybody. The rich won't really notice. The poor will have to do without somewhere. Just sayin'. | ||
| Sifo |
For what it's worth, I just moved from the Chicago burbs to norther Michigan. Chicago relied on electricity generated pretty much by fossil fuel and nuclear. Where I just moved to has numerous hydroelectric plants. After the move, just out of curiosity, I compared my last bill in IL to my first bill in MI. My electricity costs were just under double. As it turns out, they are in the process of replacing the Hydro plants with fossil fuel plants because of the cost reduction. I happened to find out about that while reading about kayaking on local rivers. It's been a bit of a fiasco, with the first plant to be removed, having a temporary dam give way and flood hundreds of sq. miles of land. It's an interesting local issue in my new area. | ||
| Aesquire |
There is no way to make energy for humans that won't impact the environment in some way. Even orbital solar means you look up at night and there will be visible satellites changing the view. ( and changing the View is the reason Ted Kennedy and the filthy rich don't want wind power towers "ruining" their exclusive view, and screw the peasants ) Ground based solar takes up large amounts of land and isn't all that fun to look at. The big mirror based solar concentration boilers are an active hazard for blinding pilots and burning birds out of the sky. Wind power? Weird noises, local climate change ( you don't read about that in the papers ) and dead endangered birds. Plus the lovely Pink Floyd The Wall decor marching across the landscape. Water power means dams. Flooding, fish kill, radically changing the landscape and local climate. Even Nuclear means someone has to dig a hole in the ground to get the remnants of the Supernovas that created all metals heavier than Iron. Coal? Black lung, entire mountains moved, etc. etc. Wood? Try heating America with wood. Remember when we had more forests than when Europeans moved here? There is no perfect solution.... except to the hard greenies that want mankind to die so the birds & deer can have it all back...... and a few of us might think that a bit of an impact as well. | ||
| Ducley |
I am wondering tho if any open pit mines that closed down might have been converted to OHV parks? | ||
| Reepicheep |
Lots of OHV parks that are past or future mining land around here in Ohio, Kentucky and Michigan. It's great riding. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.thegwpf.com/a-brief-history-of-arctic-a ngst/ | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/11/tr ump_the_times_and_the_coming_ecoapocalypse.html Alfau, how are the beaches in Australia over your lifetime? I live well inland and only visit the oceans occasionally. Santa Monica looks the same as old photos & exploring the area around the ferry terminal in New Jersey shows WW1 era rails and concrete for moving ferries that look sea level appropriate to me. However the Great Lakes have huge level difference obvious not only from season to season but year to year...... because humans control the level artificially and have treaties to set levels. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/12/the_cl imate_scam_corruption_metastasizes.html | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.touchofmodern.com/sales/hover-camera-e 5cf4931-6332-4f37-a0a6-06a903386157/hover-camera-p assport-2-extra-batteries I've been waiting for this to go commercial for over a year since I first heard about it. Ultimate stickless selfies. | ||
| Aesquire |
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/12/01/cold-kills- the-coldest-decade-of-the-millennium/ More research on the post medieval warm times fracking cold times. Cold kills. Freezing cold over most of u.s. Dec 8. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/08/global-warming-p rotesters-met-with-bitter-cold-snow/ Typical. They forgot the American origin of the Climate Con. The conspirators picked the normally hottest part of summer. They turned off the air conditioning in the Capitol building where the hearing was to be held. Opened the windows the day before to make sure the rooms were hot & humid. Shut the windows right before the hearing to maximize suffering. Then announced the world would burn, oceans rise, dogs & cats living together, mass hysteria! And thus a Legend was born. | ||
| Crusty |
Global Warming my ass! I just saw a brass monkey running down the street holding his crotch. | ||
| 04xl1200c |
So Crusty, you saw a device that holds cannon balls on a sailing ship running down the street? It may be time for you to come in out of the cold... | ||
| Ducbsa |
Hope & Change? http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/12/pr uitt_to_dismantle_epa_climate_agenda.html | ||
| Etennuly |
Ya ever notice the drama queens on national news blow the common weather changes out of proportion in such a way to make their story more important than their competitors to sell said story? But that is ok, they do the same for every story. December 10, cold, two feet of snow in Buffalo, NY several cars wreck on ice. DOH! How the hell is that a lead story on national news? Idiots trying so hard to make the ordinary extraordinary for their own agendas. | ||
| Aesquire |
Every year. EVERY year. People forget how to drive in winter. Not that they are that good at it. But it's not like the South.... or California where rain is a disaster. Studded snow tires. I practice skids and recovery as soon as the parking lots get slippery. At night. When the stores are closed. Hitting a pole is a loss. | ||
| Ducbsa |
Here in the DC area, the TV guys announce that 31F is frigid. I lived for 42 years in Chicago and Minneapolis and that would be called a warmup there. What a joke! |
