| Author | Message | ||
     Xdigitalx |
Why does this remind me of Ukraine?? Russia getting ready to make another play for the Baltics this summer?? | ||
| Aesquire |
I just want to see the presidential process, as it has been for years, respected and followed. Respected?  But it IS being followed. There is no obligation to show up at the Baltimore Veterans of the Spanish American War conference, or on CNN for a Debate. You make speeches, hope to get votes, and you need a certain number of delegates, which has evolved over the years, and is different for each party, to get nominated. A R candidate needs 1232 delegates, chosen by votes, caucus, or wild cards that are not committed by votes. A D candidate needs 2383 delegates, chosen by votes, pre-chosen by the Party Leaders and some that are assigned by Sauron. I am a bit vague on that last part, I admit, since the D's keep changing the rules so they can't lose. BOTH parties used to chose the candidate pretty much entirely in smoke filled back rooms and the idea of voting for the guy you want was only for the general election. Both parties changed rules to make themselves more popular, and both parties have changed their rules as each has thought it advantageous for the Party, or it's leaders, to get the results they wanted. Multiple times. Some pundits are saying the R's want to start doing the super-delegate thing next, since it seems to be working fine for the D Leaders. What you or I want is only considered if it will keep us home on election day. Maybe. Mostly the message Americans have got from both parties is "screw you, let the adults handle this". Since we are in a fake recovery from a real recession, with increasing unemployment, lowering wages, multiple wars, and utter total denial by the Leaders of the Parties, Not to mention utter dishonesty from the President & former Sec State.... Only the deity of your choice knows what's next. | ||
| Macbuell |
I have no problem with Trump not attending the debate. How many have their been so far? Is he really going to say anything different? Apparently this debate was scheduled late and Trump already had a speaking engagement planned. He's honoring that commitment. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Effed up. Maybe Trump will make some new rules for both parties before his term is up....like... Longer terms.. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
I want to see a real one. | ||
| Ducley |
Sauron? Is that George Sauron? Sounds close... | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
I'm watching this time from an entirely different perspective. I drive to the US nearly every week and what happens there has consequent effects on my livelihood. I've seen Stop (insert name here) campaigns before, they are invariably disastrous, tarnishing all sides, negative campaigning just drags the whole process into the mire producing generally rotten results. From what I've been seeing, Trump has some ideas that many claim to incite violence, the violence that's happening though appears to be being perpetrated by folk claiming to protest against the violence he's inciting. The Republican party don't really want him either as they can't control him, but they've nobody to stand against him, so they're along for the ride. The Democratic party (as I understand it, and I may be wrong) is trying to shove a candidate that most neither want nor trust by electoral jiggery pokery above a candidate that would be a shoo in if they backed him. It rather looks to me like it's going to be a Clinton vs Trump contest neither outcome is ideal for the nation, but I can't help but feel that the latter will likely do the least damage. I've said it before and it's still true, the quality of US presidents has been declining for some decades and there's no end currently in sight. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Very interesting analysis of Trump by "Dilbert" creator Scott Adams. I think he's on to something: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/comic-riffs/wp /2016/03/21/donald-trump-will-win-in-a-landslide-t he-mind-behind-dilbert-explains-why/ | ||
| Reepicheep |
Well, that pretty much nailed it in every regard. The only advantage of Trump is that he hasn't proven he can operate above the law, where Hillary has. Rule of law really is the last thing standing between peace and a lot of dead people. The path from leaving rule of law leads right back to rule of law, but only through the death of millions of people. | ||
| Aesquire |
Mr Grumpy, You got it. I'm not entirely sure that this thread isn't a tool of the Clinton Campaign. Or the Rubio Campaign. Or Satan. No, I'm not going to go look to see who started this. Not going to apologize either. There's a difference between rational discourse and focused hate. For example, I like this guy better than that guy because of Y. Rational discourse. Hillary Clinton is a Monster who would feast on your intestines while you watch if she thought it would get her more power and money. Focused... I mean bald truth.  | ||
| Reepicheep |
The one thing I will correct is that I do think a lot of grass roots Democrats want Clinton. That doesn't mean the fix isn't in against Sanders, but it would be a close race either way. | ||
| Aesquire |
Without cheating & pre determined delegates I think you'd be right. Hard to tell the media effect. Honest informed reporting would give the Dems completely different candidates. | ||
| Pwnzor |
Satan had nothing to do with it. I don't hate Donald, I simply do not trust him. Nothing I've said or linked in this thread could be considered outside the bounds of rational discourse. No apology necessary, you might just want to actually read everything before making statements like I'm not entirely sure that this thread isn't a tool of the Clinton Campaign. | ||
| Aesquire |
Ok how much did Bill offer? Has to be enough to overcome any lingering morals. Or was it direct from George Soros? I suspect he could afford to bribe me..... especially since I'm not a Trump fan to begin with? Seriously that was supposed to be a burn. When your moral and honest dislike of a guy is mirrored with neon and flashbulbs by the most wretched dishonest villains in politics, You almost have to question yourself. If I agree with the folk that wear KKK masks perhaps I should re-examine my position? No. In this case the stopped clock is right twice a day. Just because the forces of absolute evil don't like the guy today doesn't mean you have to like him. After all, if he was running as a D or an independent they'd be fawning over him. The sudden and well funded Hate Trump movement has scum from both parties. The paid protests and violence are leftist tactics so a Klan jerk is sponsored by Soros. The talking head on Faux is probably paid by the Jeb supporting jerks who prefer Hillary to Donald. F/^& them too. That you and I don't like Donald has nothing to do with you being bribed, does it? but now we are by coincidence aligned on this one subject with horrible, despicable, corrupt, people. Sucks. | ||
| Aesquire |
Just because this thread didn't start as a tool of the Hillary campaign doesn't mean they couldn't or wouldn't use it. Only our position on a fringe hobby site keeps this under the radar. If this discussion was on Facebook or twit or MySpace  it could easily be re published everywhere. Edited for effect. Thus an honest well meaning discussion can be used for evil. | ||
| Pwnzor |
My position is rooted largely in the lengthy discussions I have personally had with Erick Erickson. I'm personally acquainted with him, and find him to be a very knowledgeable and objective-minded conservative. I take your ribbing to be good natured, and respect your position as a self-stated liberal (non-flaming). The Donald has flipped and flopped more than anybody I've ever paid attention to. I like Ted Cruz more than any other candidate, but it doesn't mean I'm married to him. I don't like Rubio with his sour grapes attitude. | ||
| Aesquire |
(non-flaming). Uh, I said non bleeding heart. non flaming sorta implies....... um. I'll take that as a compliment & move on.  Cruz seems to have the right ideological props. He's pro Constitution and has fought for civil rights. My choice of all the poor choices they've offered. Rubio seems to be a tool of whoever pays him enough, with massive donations from Silicon Valley to let them use cheap imported labor. I admit that is from multiple pundits and could be wrong. Kasich? never heard of him before and not fond now. conflicting reports on his influences. I really deliberately did not look to see who started the thread. The Irony that I or anyone who isn't a fan of Jillionaires who decide they want to buy into "public service" can be in any agreement with Former Nazi Jillionaire certifiably Arch-Evil scum is striking. Consider the Difference between Trump and Soros. You may not like one, but the other has a track record of devastation on a scale normally reserved for Governments. Trump may have cost thousands of people money & jobs in his bankruptcies. Soros cost millions more than that in the depressions he's engineered. I don't count his and Obama's current project to destroy the Dollar for fun and Profit. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
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| Xdigitalx |
Why did I have to go and read that poster. | ||
| Aesquire |
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| Mr_grumpy |
But it's true, he'd probably win as an alternative candidate too with that slogan, if he was eligible to run. | ||
| Pwnzor |
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| Hootowl |
I'm pulling the lever for onion and banana juice. | ||
| Hootowl |
Actually, I pulled the lever for Ted Cruz. The 'loaded baked potato' flavor. | ||
| Hootowl |
Latest polls have hillary beating trump, and cruz beating hillary. If the donald gave a shit about america, he would drop out. Sadly, I think donald, like hillary, only gives a crap about himself. | ||
| Torquehd |
I'm not a trump supporter, unless (until) he's the only (somewhat, mildly) conservative option. However. I do think he likes America and that's why he's so enthusiastic about this whole thing. While I don't think he's a constitutionalist at heart or even a republican, I do think he's all about making America safe, secure, securing our economy, and telling our enemies where they can stick it. Those things resonate with me. Having said that, I much prefer Ted. I don't understand how any republican citizen could not support him (i understand how the corrupt politician side of the house doesnt like him, because he's not one of them and he doesn't want to play their reindeer games). | ||
| Xdigitalx |
I dont like the whining about majority delineates. If you got 1237 you get to be nominee, if you don't, tough beans. No whiney birches please. You all knew the rules from the start. Don't be changing rule to fit your agenda.... Any previous candidate will beat Hillary. Stop bitching please!!! | ||
| Aesquire |
http://washpost.bloomberg.com/Story?docId=1376-O45 6J56KLVS301-5OHO56QVPTHKGV6KERV4TKI7QA By their enemies you will know your friends. Mexico pushes for voting rights for it's invasion to vote against Trump. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Torquehd, I'd hire Cruz for the job, and expect he would do a good job, but it's hard to watch and listen to him. I only saw one clip, but it was enough. He was arguing with some farmer in Iowa about ethanol subsidies. He came off a little smarmy but made a fair point and engaged in a reasonable discussion. And then somehow felt the need to go and bring up how the Democrats were going to force the farmer to accept gay marriage. This really bugged me on a lot of different levels. First, it was transparently manipulative. Common in politics, but I want better. Second it was bigoted, Cruz assumed just because the guy was a farmer in Iowa he was anti-gay. Finally, it was just negative. Instead of talking about trying to balance the rights and desires of same sex couples with the rights and desires of people of faith and faith traditions, he was just trying to divide people. Again, totally common on both sides, but I want better. | ||
| Pwnzor |
donald, like hillary, only gives a crap about himself  |
