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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2016 - 09:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just a couple of things about spelling that I recently came across.

1) The other day I was sitting at a railroad crossing watching the train cars go by. I got a good laugh when I noticed that someone had corrected the spelling on a bunch of graffiti on the train cars.

2) Then today, I found out from a teacher at a Jr. High school, they no longer teach spelling. They just let kids use spell checker and call it a day. This one failed to make me laugh though. Can we really function as a society when our future generations won't even know how to spell without an electronic spell checker?
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Skinstains
Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2016 - 09:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I was in the pits at NJMP several years ago. My friend's son, who was in high school at the time, sent a text to his father. With the spelling & the acronyms the kid used the old man actually asked the kid why he couldn't read the stupid code language used in it. The kid said to his father... If I ever text my English teacher I'll be sure to use proper spelling & punctuation. I thought it quite funny as well as quite witty.
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Skinstains
Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2016 - 09:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I shouldn't cast stones tho as I certainly ain't no English major, if you couldn't tell already.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2016 - 09:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

One of my daughter's teachers was heard to say, "take out your wireless devices and check Wikipedia".

Unfknblvabl.
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Skinstains
Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2016 - 09:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm just glad I'm over the hump as they say.
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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2016 - 10:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm no spelling wiz either. I lean quite heavily on spell checkers. That's a personal flaw of mine. That's the pit falls of being an individual. It worries me when we simply accept this as a society though. Some of what you see posted on forums is completely unreadable. What happens when this becomes "normal"?
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Ourdee
Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2016 - 10:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sadness.
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Ltbuell
Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2016 - 11:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

..i have a dictionary at my computer table here and if a word doesn't "look right" and the dreaded "red line from heck" underlines a particular word......i usually thumb through it to find the correct spelling...so glad i was taught spelling and all the other good stuff back in the late 60's/early 70's....use the noodle more the way i look up the correct spelling.....not the LA way(lazy arse) way....LT
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Torquehd
Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2016 - 12:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Soon we won't need to know how to spell, or do math, or tie our shoes, or drive our cars, or make food, etc, etc. Robots and AI are the answer for the human condition. Ever seen Wall-E?

The extremely right wing conspiracy theorist in me tends to believe that technology, while capable of being used for good, will ultimately be our demise. If the booger eaters with the qrans don't get to us first.
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86129squids
Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2016 - 01:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm in.
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86129squids
Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2016 - 02:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

QWERTY is difficult.

It can be fun.

I'm old. Once upon a time I had a typing teacher, who also coached the football team...

I passed.
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Torquehd
Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2016 - 02:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

QWERTY is pretty efficient once you're used to it. but whenever I need to codify or encrypt information, I use FUTHARK. Viking runes are easy to decrypt (if you know what they are) but the average joe has no idea what those scratches mean.

I made up my own code for numbers. It's super easy for me to decipher but looks like random doodling to everyone else.

I also use Chinese characters for shorthand occasionally. A single character (or usually two) is a whole word in the english language. However, it's a very perishable skill and I forget a lot when I don't study.

If you think reading English words is hard, try reading characters that have no method of conveying phonetics or meaning. If you don't know a Chinese character, there is no way to figure out what it's saying unless you know how to look it up in a dictionary (based on radicals and number of brush strokes). Or have an app (and then you still need to know in what order the brush/pen strokes are put on paper).

Edit:
Why language is important:


(Message edited by torquehd on April 14, 2016)
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Ducbsa
Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2016 - 05:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Who will write the spellchecker code?
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Dr_greg
Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2016 - 11:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well, as someone who won the spelling award in BOTH 7th and 8th grade, I'm not sure how to interject my $0.02 into this conversation...

...so I won't. Except to say that it always makes me cringe to see "spellcheck-okayed" words like "their, there, and they're" misused...

I'm done.

--Doc
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Teeps
Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2016 - 11:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sifo Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2016 -
I'm no spelling wiz either. I lean quite heavily on spell checkers.


As do I.
The difference is knowing when the word is spelled correctly, or not, without spell check.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2016 - 11:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2016 - 12:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm constantly getting spell check highlighting words I spell the British way. No, you stupid program, I meant what I wrote! The parlour is coloured blue.

Worse by far for me is auto correct on the Galaxy phone. Try for two cents and get Avogado's number.
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Macbuell
Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2016 - 12:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Spell checker won't help you with their, there, they're, your, you're and so on.

The joke that we have for a public education system in this country will be our downfall. Sadly it is already starting to come home to roost in this latest generation.
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Hootowl
Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2016 - 02:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Do yourself a favour, and spell in American English. : )
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Fast1075
Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2016 - 04:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

But it is also my favourite way to spell favourite. So, there!

But here is the question. If schedule is pronounced as "shed yule", is that taught in "Shoooole"?
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2016 - 04:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Why art thou so provincial?

Verily, though I speak not the Queen's English such as those borne forth from the Island Empire wouldst comprehend without trial, the vocabulary learneth from the great literature hast stuck to me.

I used to be able to speak middle english with some thought, but if you don't use it you lose it.
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Mtnmason
Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2016 - 04:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I was an English major in college.

I can compose a flawless biz email in regards to grammar/usage/punctuation/spelling. It's a very rare skill set but I haven't seen it reflected in my pay stubs... yet.
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Crusty
Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2016 - 05:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Do yourself a favour, and spell in American English.



I think we should spell check in Ebonics.
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Macbuell
Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2016 - 06:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I can compose a flawless biz email in regards to grammar/usage/punctuation/spelling. It's a very rare skill set but I haven't seen it reflected in my pay stubs... yet.

That's because you were an English Major.
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Mnscrounger
Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2016 - 06:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

S***... that's funny Mac. I hope it was just a friendly jest.
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Mtnmason
Posted on Friday, April 15, 2016 - 08:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Macbuell - ZING!!! got me... (I just went to college to get the same piece of paper that most of my peers had, that's all)

side note - some of the emails I get from area managers and other higher-ups are so chock full of errors I want to pull my hair out. I sit at my desk and wonder, "Is this the kind of sh!t they send to the top dogs at our client companies???"

I think it speaks volumes towards the state of our education system over the past few decades.

(Message edited by mtnmason on April 15, 2016)

(Message edited by mtnmason on April 15, 2016)
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Ourdee
Posted on Friday, April 15, 2016 - 08:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It was only in the last ten years that I quite pronouncing it "sked-jewel". I went to public "skool".
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Etennuly
Posted on Friday, April 15, 2016 - 10:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I also keep a dictionary at hand for correcting red line problems.

It is strange to me that I make the same spelling errors, spelling the same words incorrectly, that I have for decades. I am probably retarded in that respect.

We have seen this whole scenario before. A silent wave that is letting knowledge slide away. The last time was when schools began allowing the use of calculators for math problems in school. It lets a whole learning pathway into the brain relax to never be opened.

Try being in a McDonalds or a Walmart when the power goes out. You have to look for an employee over 40 years of age to be able to calculate and count your change back(They don't like it when you do it for them).

Dumbing down of America. It's working! Silently separating the classes further and further since the 1980's.
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Mtnmason
Posted on Friday, April 15, 2016 - 10:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It is strange to me that I make the same spelling errors, spelling the same words incorrectly, that I have for decades. I am probably retarded in that respect.

Not at all. That makes you normal, in fact.
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Macbuell
Posted on Friday, April 15, 2016 - 10:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

MtnMason - Just joking ... all in fun. Hope it was taken that way.
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