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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, November 02, 2015 - 07:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/01 /scientists-question-jerry-browns-claims-again/
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, November 02, 2015 - 02:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.climatedepot.com/2015/11/02/back-to-the -dark-ages-top-french-weatherman-fired-over-climat e-change-book-the-global-warming-policy-forum-gwpf /
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, November 02, 2015 - 09:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I ask myself, why is Vladimir not all onboard the Climate Train?

I can't really read his mind, so Here's a few suggestions....

1. Vladimir is the ruler of a third world country. Yes, it's the Only Superpower, ( until China steps up ) and they have a LOT of nuclear weapons, and most of theirs work, or at least can be delivered by ICBM within a New England State of the intended target. ( that's not a joke, That's from Russian expatriates now living here, who used to man the silos ) But the economy of Russia is dirt poor, and they are an oil producing country.

So as the leader of a Third World country, you would expect to get some cash from the Liberal Guilt Tax being proposed in Paris. But perhaps not Russia, maybe just the little ones, like Botswana. So Putin may see no positive side in going along with any deals. Just as India and China have zero intention of making their already poor countries poorer.

2. As the Supreme Leader of an oil producing country, Putin may see no upside in anything that lessens his power over Europe with his ability to cut off oil supplies over the pipelines from Russia to Europe. After all, what's more important? Power? or maybe saving the planet? I assure you, even if you see Vladimir as a Russian Patriot, Power is far more important. Especially power over Germany, which has a quaint habit of invading Russia these last Thousand Years.

3. Since Vladimir should be well aware of KGB operations to wreck the Western economy, he may be well aware that the Climate Train is a hoax, and again, there is no upside for HIM to go along with it, as long as he has Quislings like John Kerry driving a convoy of armored SUV's head long into taxing themselves.. ( actually, the peasants in Europe and America, you don't think Kerry is going to pay a tax, did you? ) Vladimir has no need to pay lip service to a known lie.

4. It could be Vladimir knows the average Russian is far more concerned with getting fed, and hoping there will still be a government pension when he gets old, than some "save the planet" religious cult in Europe and America. It's not like Europe is going to keep them fed, just invade again.
So, just simple rational political calculation.

I personally guess it's a combination of all 4. Plus factors I haven't thought of.

opinion?
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Ducbsa
Posted on Tuesday, November 03, 2015 - 05:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"International Tribunal of Climate Justice" with no pesky Constitution to hinder revenge on the successful

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/11/clim ate-the-road-to-paris.php
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, November 04, 2015 - 12:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/616937/GLOBA L-COOLING-Decade-long-ice-age-predicted-as-sun-hib ernates

I really hope we don't have a worse than Maunder Minimum cycle soon. if we go back to 1600's temperatures it's easy to predict famine, plague and war.

Seriously. what do you think happened last time?

However, at the National Astronomy Meeting in Wales, Northumbria University professor Valentina Zharkova said fluctuations an 11-year cycle of solar activity the sun goes through would be responsible for a freeze, the like of which has not been experienced since the 1600s.

From 1645 to 1715 global temperatures dropped due to low solar activity so much that the planet experienced a 70-year ice age known as Maunder Minimum which saw the River Thames in London completely frozen.
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Hootowl
Posted on Thursday, November 05, 2015 - 09:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/04/tech/bae-systems-rea ction-engines-hypersonic-travel/?iid=ob_homepage_t ech_pool&iref=obnetwork

I think I've seen this before...I remember talk about the heat exchanger being key.
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Ducbsa
Posted on Friday, November 06, 2015 - 04:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Good perspective

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/11/the- greatest-energy-chart-ever-seriously.php
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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, November 06, 2015 - 09:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sure. But there will, eventually, come a time when he is right, and peak oil is a reality. It can't last forever. And, in his defense, his prediction wasn't out of line with production numbers at the time. Getting tight oil was a pipe dream back then.

However, when peak oil happens, alternative sources will be economically feasible, given the rising prices of oil, and then those will be developed without government subsidies and the graft that accompanies it. That's the way free markets work. If the left wasn't entirely peopled with communists and socialists who don't trust or understand free markets, they might see that.
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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, November 06, 2015 - 09:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Holy crap! And I thought it was because of people choosing career/lifestyle over kids in much of the western world (or at least, in Western cultures). Nope! It's CLIMATE CHANGE! The anticipation of that .something degree of warming is making all our dingalings shrivel up.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/06/health/climate-chang e-sex-drive-birth-rate/index.html

Blathering idiot. Anything to promote the agenda, I guess.

(Message edited by hootowl on November 06, 2015)
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, November 06, 2015 - 09:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The AG of NY has subpoenaed Exxon to show that they understated the effects of climate change.

Be a hoot if they announced they overstated because the con artists already accused them of neo-nazi denier status........ and that they've had proof it's a hoax for years and figured no one would believe them. ; )
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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, November 06, 2015 - 10:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So, I guess the RICO suggestion took root.
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Sifo
Posted on Friday, November 06, 2015 - 11:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It would seem that Exxon has been lax in paying their indulgences.

Clinton Calls for Exxon Probe After Company Cuts Off Foundation Funding

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Hillary Clinton is calling for a federal investigation of ExxonMobil’s climate change activities just months after the company neglected to renew its sponsorship of the Clinton Global Initiative annual meeting.

ExxonMobil, which is being accused by global warming activists of misleading the public about climate change, has given between $ 1 million and $5 million to the Clinton Foundation and sponsored the CGI annual meeting in 2014. But this year, the oil giant was one of six major corporations that stopped sponsoring the event, according to USA Today.

Clinton said last week that the Department of Justice should investigate ExxonMobil for allegedly withholding data related to climate change, saying that there is “a lot of evidence they misled people.”




Is the DOJ now doing the bidding of Hillary? Kind of explains how she's not in jail yet.
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, November 06, 2015 - 07:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/federal-eye/wp /2015/11/06/as-scientists-warn-of-chilling-effect- on-research-congressman-doubles-down-on-noaa-to-re lease-deliberations-on-climate-study/

"we want the memos from the people responsible for changing the data"

"no, you are trying to intimidate us"

Well, heck, that's right, getting a subpoena from a Congressional committee is supposed to intimidate wrong doers.

Even people who are not criminal frauds living on the taxpayers money might feel a bit intimidated.

Doesn't mean you get to say no.

http://www.govexec.com/oversight/2015/11/lawmaker- claims-noaa-altered-climate-change-data-issues-rar e-subpoena-internal-research-docs/123449/

“We have provided data (all of which is publicly available online), supporting scientific research, and multiple in person briefings. We stand behind our scientists who conduct their work in an objective manner. …We have provided all of the information the committee needs to understand this issue."

except for how you decided to change the data from the past, and the present.

Because on public record are a decades worth of the NOAA changing the data from year to year. Not that years data, but data from years and decades ago.

How do you justify changing the data you used last year?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/06/science/exxon-mo bil-under-investigation-in-new-york-over-climate-s tatements.html?_r=0

Exxon's real problem is if they actually told the truth, the truth is they have been riding the Climate Taxpayer Money Gravy Train for years getting richer by "investing" in "alt energy".

If you've been giving bribes for years, and making out like a bandit, for years, how do you not go to jail if you tell the courts you've been bribing folk?

I point out that it's SOP for Socialist/leftists to attack hated institutions, encourage & exploit hatred.

Who loves banks, insurance & oil companies? ( besides the politicians who take bribes from them )
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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, November 06, 2015 - 07:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I do. I like my home, and I like my car. Banks, insurance, and oil companies make those things possible. Imagine life without oil and petrochemicals. No, thank you.
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, November 06, 2015 - 07:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Obviously a running dog lackey of the Capitalist Pig Dogs.
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, November 08, 2015 - 11:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/11/ 07/record-siberian-snow-could-bode-ill-northeast/7 5224060/

Let's see if this PREDICTION comes true.

I can think of a couple of reasons that high Siberian Snowfall could lead to cold winters in the North East U.S. Snow reflects heat back into space, and causes lower temperatures, for example.
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, November 08, 2015 - 12:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.salon.com/2015/11/06/bill_nye_demolishe s_climate_deniers_im_not_a_scientist_therefore_im_ not_going_to_use_my_brain/

Bill Nye says a bunch of stuff here I disagree with. And a few things I do.

'Life on planet at stake', France warns as climate ministers meet

http://news.yahoo.com/life-planet-stake-france-war ns-climate-ministers-meet-133313741.html

As I've said for decades, if you believe in the Global Warming By Human CO2 production..... you can't allow 2 billion Chinese to have SUVs.

Or to put it in terms Obama would understand, the Colonial Powers must prevent the Third World from ever getting wealthy. It would destroy the World.

It's all how you sell it.
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Ferris_von_bueller
Posted on Sunday, November 08, 2015 - 01:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If we accept that the world is in a dire situation then we must first accept some truths. The damage from greenhouse emissions has occurred and is continuing to occur. Simply keeping CO2 at its current level would do nothing to stop or reverse the damage. To get CO2 back down to a "safe" level and thus the global mean temperature would require an immediate moratorium on growth, including population, across the globe. This is simply not going to happen for the simple fact that no one is talking about such measures which means no one is truly serious about the problem which leads me to the conclusion it's all bull***. What governments and industry are trying to do is tax and control everyone.
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Alchemy
Posted on Sunday, November 08, 2015 - 06:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Bill Nye video done with Arnold S. is really good. The Nat Geo channel has shown it. It may be on demand. He is pretty good at making science both entertaining and understandable. It is worth seeing.

TED has a recent talk up also by a climate scientist(Alice Bows-Larkin). A 10% reduction in carbon emissions each year for a few years would be a good start to getting things under control.

I live near a reactor so I have been moving toward more electric use where possible. Costco has 10 packs of LED 60 watt equivalent bulbs for about $24.

I was going to replace an oil furnace in another house but I won't go with oil as I see it now. I could go propane but the tanks are a bit of an investment so I am thinking of a high efficiency heat pump with electric backup and a wood stove as supplemental.

I "think" I may be able to use the remaining heating oil for the tractor. Not many options for tractors but diesel at this point and I don't use it much. If not I will give the oil to my neighbor who is moving off coal.

I will be remodeling a garden shed and I am going to use Hempcrete for the walls (as an experiment). On about 3 acres I can grow enough industrial hemp to build a house with hempcrete (once the industrial hemp becomes legal to grow which will probably be in a year or two) Hempcrete uses lime which is carbon positive but the hemp part is carbon negative so the net is carbon negative which is good for a building product. It is very low tech and pretty easy to work with and has an R value of over 2 per inch if it is left a bit fluffy.

The garden shed roof should provide a nice experimental space for solar cells and low maintenance Aquion salt water batteries should be able to find a home in there as well.

By the time I get a little experimental experience I will decide how I want to remodel the main farm house. I will probably want R-40 walls or close to it and a small capacity high efficiency heat pump.

If I work it out right, I may be able to move off grid completely but that is not my intention particularly.

I would like to sell power back to/thru the grid via "virtual metering" where I generate power at one property and use that power at another property. Virtual metering is just getting worked out but it allows multiple locations to be metered as if a single location.

This would allow more efficient placing of solar or wind resources and then use the grid to move that power to less desirable (solar) residential locations. It currently stinks in that there is a 2 mile limit but that is essentially a starting point. If that can be changed to 20 miles then a lot of jobs can be generated building solar arrays where they are easily situated and unobtrusive rather than on residential roofs.

But again, the Bill Nye video is really good and worth seeking out.
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Ferris_von_bueller
Posted on Sunday, November 08, 2015 - 06:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bill Nye is a mechanical engineer. He's no more or no less qualified to speak on climate as your local garbage man.
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Sifo
Posted on Sunday, November 08, 2015 - 08:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bill Nye is not the brightest bulb on the grid, and has been proved to have done falsified experiments on TV. If it promotes the agenda, why not... Right?

Replicating Al Gore’s Climate 101 video experiment (from the 24 hour Gore-a-thon) shows that his “high school physics” could never work as advertised
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Hootowl
Posted on Sunday, November 08, 2015 - 09:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bowers,

Sounds like a lot of fun. Efficiency is great. I've done a lot of work on my place too.

Jeff
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Ducbsa
Posted on Monday, November 09, 2015 - 06:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

$50 billion for reducing ozone by 5 ppb!

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/11/07/great-news-t he-epas-new-smog-rules-will-only-cost-40-times-as- much-as-they-said/
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Alchemy
Posted on Monday, November 09, 2015 - 02:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Global temperature rise measurement event vs pre-industrial levels:

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/news/release/archive/2 015/one-degree

One down and counting I guess.
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, November 09, 2015 - 02:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Funny. I see it as two degrees to go to hit the good times temperature of the Viking age.

That's preindustrial too.
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Hootowl
Posted on Monday, November 09, 2015 - 02:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What does "preindustrial levels" mean? How far back are you looking? If I look at the temperature from this morning and compare it with the temperature this afternoon, I could make a case that the world was going to end in fire. Silly, I know, but by only looking at the temperature at one time (the dawn of the industrial age) and comparing it to now, you're doing the same thing.

But, it's not your fault. There are some really smart people lying to you about this stuff.
To wit, a photograph showing bare ground and a retreating glacier, and another one taken 50 years ago showing a winter wonderland. End of the world? Nope. The snowy one was taken in January, and the bare ground photo was taken in August. That's how they lie to you.

Look at temperature data over the last 100,000 years. You may (or may not) be surprised at the temperature variability exhibited by the planet well before humans could have interfered with anything. Now find a graph of CO2 levels. You'll see, if you care to look, that atmospheric CO2 levels do not correlate with temperature. Not even close. About the only thing that remains constant, regardless of CO2 levels, are the really long cold periods interrupted by relatively short interglacial periods. The normal state of the Earth is cold. It will be again, regardless of how many tons of CO2 we emit. Look at the CO2 chart again. It's been WAY higher than it is now. Didn't matter to the ice age.

One down, indeed.
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Ferris_von_bueller
Posted on Monday, November 09, 2015 - 06:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/on-global-warming -will-they-come-after-hamburgers-next-2015-11-09

They won't be happy until they own your soul.

Btw, I finished a solar project today. It's an expensive joke.
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Hootowl
Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2015 - 01:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Not exactly science, but I didn't want to start a new thread.

http://gibbssports.com/biski

Not much ground clearance. Unless it's floating, then there's...um..how deep is the water?
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Ourdee
Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2015 - 02:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Fun river cruiser there.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2015 - 03:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wasn't that on top gear?
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