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Rick_a
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 06, 2015 - 09:08 am: | 
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Selective facts are easy to skew in favor of whatever suits the message.
The gun deaths that go down in these strictly gun controlled countries are largely suicides, and overall violent crime rates largely stay unchanged. I don't think that's accomplishing much, and is certainly not the cure-all that is proposed by such legislation. That's a hell of a price to pay to give up the right for lawful self defense with a firearm. It's no different than the gun control schemes in our prominent big cities. Any idiot can see that it's not exactly a success and that they tout it as such is disingenuous at best.
My biggest problem is that what they are selling is not how it works. It is based on lies.
The NRA isn't perfect, but it's the best thing we've got. Their silly marketing messages are aimed at the average guy who isn't going to waste his time in the minutia of what's going on. I find it off putting, but I understand why it's done. That said, if the liberal left hates them it means they are doing something right and that tickles me some. I have given the NRA hundreds of dollars in the past few years and don't regret it one bit. It's worth the lame emails and occasional phone call. |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 06, 2015 - 01:01 pm: |
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The progressive article is full of falsehoods. The authors claims to be a coyote hunting expert with a 600 yard range? Same figure given for a M-4. And weirdly specific info on his favorite (only?) Rifle. Like he cut and pasted from a guns and ammo article. A gun geek would have been as or more specific, but would not have written the rest.
There were a few actual facts. A .223 does have more velocity than an old rimfire.
I wonder who Photoshopped the killers picture? |
Rick_a
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 06, 2015 - 02:16 pm: |
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The tactics have changed a little recently.
Now those who own and like detachable magazine semi automatic rifles are "extremists" that are not willing to compromise. Of course not. They are no longer called "assault rifles" (false) or assault weapons (manufactured term) but now military style machine-guns or automatics (still either wrong or infers something that is wrong) seems to be the phrase.
Statistically, by anyone's measure, outlawing, banning, confiscating, and/or destroying any and all of these guns will have little to no significance.
It's getting a bit silly. I think most people are over the whole "black gun" thing. Most popular rifles in America. You see more AK's and AR's at the range than any other rifle and that's thanks not to the NRA, "extremist" gun nuts or evil manufacturers, but because folks payed attention to them once they were targeted by anti gun groups, the president, the media, and the ATF's flip flopping regulations.
Anyway, "gun control" is an expensive and fruitless endeavor.
In its most extreme forms it lets governments and leaders say "hey, less people die due to guns now" while costing folks their best means of self defense against aggressors and a big portion of their individual rights. If overall violent crime rates don't change, and some types of crimes against people and property increase, what point is there?
I look not to the propaganda of the day for proof, but history. Current and past history. There's plenty of it. Nothing has changed but the time and place.
All this new stuff has kicked off with the latest shooting like they've been lying in wait for the opportunity, which seems a bit foolish and foolharty. |
Gregtonn
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 06, 2015 - 02:36 pm: |
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From the first Goatlicker link:
...some sort of licensing requirements for military grade weapons...
Now read the Second Amendment while very carefully considering the intent.
Note the term arms not just firearms.
Next read the above statement again.
Do you see a disconnect there?
Extra credit question:
What is a "military grade weapon"?
Keep in mind that firearms are not the only weapons used by the military (think sharp things).
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Reepicheep
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 06, 2015 - 03:00 pm: |
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I'm reading (yet another) WWII history book. Forget "military style" assault rifles... if citizens need to defend themselves from enemies foreign or domestic, they need panzerfausts. |
Rick_a
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 06, 2015 - 03:28 pm: |
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Just enlist.
Light armor is relatively easy to defeat with small arms.
Heavy armor should either be avoided or no tank is immune to a mobility kill. Our enemies overseas just pack enough explosives to send anything flying.
These days theres AT-4's and RPG's...but seeing as even chalk spotter rounds have been reclassified by the ATF as explosive ordinance that's a bit unrealistic. |
Pwnzor
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 06, 2015 - 04:02 pm: |
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Goatlicker  |
Fb1
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 06, 2015 - 06:01 pm: |
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It's not very hard trace it back to Conservative Treehouse, who I am not at all familiar with.
Sifo, I've followed CTH since Zimmerman/Martin, and they - and the commenters, in particular - have generally been right over target on any given issue. CTH is, in essence, a staunchly conservative Christian-oriented/crowd-sourced-based news-gathering forum (my definition, not necessarily theirs, but probably pretty close to the mark).
However, they may have been punked on this one:
NOTE: *Since the original discussion thread was posted on Friday October 2nd, the comparative image above has become the matter of some controversy. On Thr/Fri a twitter acct (we did not record who) posted a video vine on showing a CNN broadcast (TV) including that image. Additionally the same source posting a side-by-side as above. We captured the side-by-side image and shared it – as shown. We did not create the image, we copied it from a twitter feed. According to various comments posted: CNN denies attribution. Absent our ability to return to source origination for further inquiry, the comparative side-by-side image should be considered suspect, and quite possibly false.
At least they have the balls to admit it.
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/ |
Slaughter
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 07, 2015 - 05:12 pm: |
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April Fools Day is the one day of the year that people critically evaluate news articles before accepting them as true.
--Rudro Chakrabarti, "20 Most Profound Things People Thought Of In The Shower" |
Slaughter
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 07, 2015 - 05:17 pm: |
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If you don't read the newspaper, you are uninformed. If you do read the newspaper, you are misinformed.
--Mark Twain
Seems that little has changed in 110 years. |
Pwnzor
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 07, 2015 - 07:34 pm: |
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Hearst |
Hootowl
| | Posted on Thursday, October 08, 2015 - 06:22 pm: |
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http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/08/opinions/yang-gun-vi olence/index.html
Idiot. His conclusions are flawed. Non sequiturs up the arse. |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Thursday, October 08, 2015 - 08:14 pm: |
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http://pjmedia.com/blog/christian-persecution-not- guns-is-the-real-ucc-story/ |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Friday, October 09, 2015 - 05:07 am: |
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Hoot, you may notice that making guns more expensive is directly targeting the poor and minorities. The people most likely to need self defense because of living conditions.
This idea has been around since the 1800's when they passed a law banning all guns that were NOT MILITARY GRADE. In an effort to keep negros from affording pistols.
Strange but true. |
Ducbsa
| | Posted on Friday, October 09, 2015 - 06:54 am: |
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Good analysis of a gun-grabber's article: http://thelibertyzone.com/2015/10/07/a-sense-free- opinion-piece/
It refers to a DOJ report that addresses (on p.13), the incidence of the dread gun show loophole. http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fv9311.pdf About 1.5% of cons said they got their guns from flea markets and gun shows vs. 40% from criminals. That ignores the gun show buys that involved dealers making the legally required background checks for guns they sell at the shows. |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Friday, October 09, 2015 - 09:08 pm: |
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-weig hs-expanding-background-checks-through-executive-a uthority/2015/10/08/6bd45e56-6b63-11e5-9bfe-e59f5e 244f92_story.html
New York UnSafeAct update.
A local gun store went out of business, months ago. accusations were made that the store had illegally sold "Assault weapons" and the BATF gave the NY State Police the sales records.
In New York, a law passed in the dark of night with now public comment period, because the Governor feared a run on gun shops, banned a wide range of weapons and objects. Mostly Cosmetic features, and magazine capacity properly known as "normal" or "stock".
People with such evil evil evil objects were supposed to register them with the Emperor, or sell them out of state.
The number of guestimated objects in private hands is in the millions, and the number registered few.
So the State police have been on a fishing expedition, and politely call people asking if they had purchased a gun from the now closed store, and to bring it in to the Station so it could be checked out.
Denying the entire time this was a fishing expedition, I understand the first suckers have already been busted, and the penalties for not obeying the Empire State's Hereditary Rulers is harsh indeed.
So if someone asks about your weapons, even if you live in a free state, refer them to your lawyer, and politely decline to show off your collection to strangers. Unless they have an actual warrant.
p.s. Expect Andrew Cuomo the First to run for President, if not in 2020, in 2016 if the Hillary campaign self destructs. I am not fond of his politics. ( Although they would be instantly recognizable to an Egyptian Pharaoh. ) |
Rick_a
| | Posted on Saturday, October 10, 2015 - 02:07 am: |
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Good stuff. It's about time folks fight against the usual Obama supporter browbeating:
quote:ROSEBURG, Oregon — As helicopters whirred overhead, bringing President Obama to the southern Oregon community that was the scene of a mass casualty shooting last week at a community college, hundreds of protesters gathered below to voice their objections to the president’s visit.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/09 /roseburg-oregon-protests-obama-visit-chicago-need s-you/
My favorite part:
quote:There were two pro-Obama protesters present who said they supported the President.
Priceless. |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Saturday, October 10, 2015 - 08:05 am: |
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Barry is there for a fund raiser. Plus a vulture photo op.
Iirc Oregon already has the uncommon sense laws he says he wants. So in the real world this is an example of the failure of gun control.
Expecting honest anything on the subject from an administration that brought us Fast & Furious? Hah. |
Ducbsa
| | Posted on Sunday, October 11, 2015 - 06:52 am: |
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Analysis of bogus school shooting incidence reports:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2014/12/13 /everytown-s-100-school-shootings-include-non-scho ol-shootings-shootings-that-didn-t-happen/ |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Monday, October 12, 2015 - 06:28 pm: |
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http://www.pjtv.com/series/afterburner-with-bill-w hittle-56/its-the-steel-bill-whittles-solution-to- gun-control--11354/ |
Ducbsa
| | Posted on Saturday, October 17, 2015 - 06:20 am: |
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Gun grabber misinformation
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/ wp/2015/10/16/clintons-claim-that-40-percent-of-gu ns-are-sold-at-gun-shows-and-over-the-internet/ |
Slaughter
| | Posted on Saturday, October 17, 2015 - 11:03 am: |
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I've bought/traded "on the internet" through http://www.gunbroker.com/
It's NOT as easy as Barry want's his minions to believe. Gotta do FFL transfers, waiting period in the People's Republic of California. Yeah, it's "the internet" but it's not like he wants us to believe.
Couple of FN/FAL sites I participate in have "marketplace" sections - no easier. Most BBS classified sections are monitored. |
Mrlogix
| | Posted on Saturday, October 17, 2015 - 02:06 pm: |
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An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.
Robert A. Heinlein
Criminals don't obey laws, outlaw guns and the only people with guns will be criminals. |
Rick_a
| | Posted on Saturday, October 17, 2015 - 10:43 pm: |
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In response to recent vehicular and knife attacks in Israel security and police patrols have been increased and citizens permitted to do so have been urged to carry firearms daily. Teachers and administrators are encouraged to carry and take self defense training courses.
Here it's recommend to declare targeted areas "gun free" from concealed carry permit holders and to give up gun ownership in shared guilt for being a gun owner in response.
We are so backwards, man. |
Gregtonn
| | Posted on Saturday, October 17, 2015 - 11:27 pm: |
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Instead of a "Gun Free Zone" sign for schools how about this:
"Many of the people employed by and enrolled in this institution have passed courses in the use of firearms
and have been issued concealed carry permits."
Which sign do you think would be most likely to prevent mass shootings in the posted area?
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Rick_a
| | Posted on Sunday, October 18, 2015 - 11:04 pm: |
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These guys have it directly opposite:
...and this is more in tune with reality:
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Torquehd
| | Posted on Monday, October 19, 2015 - 03:34 am: |
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The fourth cartoon is OK.... except all the ammo appears to be ball instead of hollow point... uneducated community organizers could quickly to take that out of context. |
Rick_a
| | Posted on Monday, October 19, 2015 - 07:28 am: |
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In NJ those dangerous killer holler points are illegal to use in self defense. The uneducated are uneducated. |
Hootowl
| | Posted on Monday, October 19, 2015 - 09:39 am: |
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I don't understand the gun rights vs. union rights cartoon. I have no idea how the 2nd amendment impinges upon any of the rights listed. Also, what is a 'union' right? Do they operate under a different Constitution than the rest of us? Because the US constitution guarantees all those rights, as well as the right to bear arms. I don't see a conflict. |
Sifo
| | Posted on Monday, October 19, 2015 - 10:39 am: |
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I don't understand the gun rights vs. union rights cartoon. I have no idea how the 2nd amendment impinges upon any of the rights listed. Also, what is a 'union' right? Do they operate under a different Constitution than the rest of us? Because the US constitution guarantees all those rights, as well as the right to bear arms. I don't see a conflict.
Actually, until very recently, unions did operate, essentially under a different Constitution. Only recently did the Supreme Court decide to treat corporations the same as unions regarding political donations. Suddenly the liberals are crying that corporations aren't people. Are we supposed to believe that unions ARE people. Liberals simply don't operate under any sense of principles. |
Rick_a
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 20, 2015 - 10:25 am: |
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Some fun facts.
quote:Gun Control-Another Perspective
In 1865 a Democrat shot and killed Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States .
In 1881 a left wing radical Democrat shot James Garfield, President of the United States - who later died from the wound.
In 1963 a radical left wing socialist shot and killed John F. Kennedy,President of the United States .
In 1975 a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at Gerald Ford, President ofthe United States .
In 1983 a registered Democrat shot and wounded Ronald Reagan, President of the United States .
In 1984 James Hubert, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 22 people in a McDonalds restaurant.
In 1986 Patrick Sherrill, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 15 people in an Oklahoma post office.
In 1990 James Pough, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 10 people at a GMAC office.
In 1991 George Hennard, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 23 people in a Luby's cafeteria in Killeen , TX .
In 1995 James Daniel Simpson, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 5 coworkers in a Texas laboratory.
In 1999 Larry Asbrook, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 8 people at a church service.
In 2001 a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at the White House in a failed attempt to kill George W. Bush, President of the US ...
In 2003 Douglas Williams, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 7 people at a Lockheed Martin plant.
In 2007 a registered Democrat named Seung - Hui Cho, shot and killed 32 people in Virginia Tech.
In 2010 a mentally ill registered Democrat named Jared Lee Loughner, shot Rep.Gabrielle Giffords and killed 6 others.
In 2011 a registered Democrat named James Holmes, went into a movie theater and shot and killed 12 people.
In 2012 Andrew Engeldinger, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 7 people in Minneapolis .
In 2013 a registered Democrat named Adam Lanza, shot and killed 26 people in a school in Newtown, CT.
As recently as Sept 2013, an angry Democrat shot 12 at a Navy ship yard.
Clearly, there is a problem with Democrats and guns.
Not one NRA member, Tea Party member, or Republican conservative was involved in any of these shootings and murders.
SOLUTION: It should be illegal for Democrats to own guns.
We don't need gun control, we need Democrat control.
Guns don't kill people, Democrats do!
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Hootowl
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 20, 2015 - 11:56 am: |
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This article makes some good points about that.
http://www.examiner.com/article/the-idea-that-rece nt-mass-shooters-are-mostly-registered-democrats-i s-a-myth
Not all good points, but some.
For example, the author makes the same mistake he rails about. He assumes 'white supremacists' are all republicans and that 'Sovereign citizens' are too.
And the list leaves out shootings committed by non lefties.
He also says that an abortion doctor was 'executed' by a right winger. This I may actually agree with. Although it was an extrajudicial execution, the man was an admitted abortion 'doctor', which by definition makes him a murderer. The 'executioner' may have saved hundreds of lives. If that seems like an extreme position, you're fooling yourself about what abortion really is. Regardless, you can't take the law into your own hands. Sorry, wrong thread. |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 20, 2015 - 12:32 pm: |
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The list is incomplete but accurate as far as it goes.
White supremacy & Sovereign tax resistance types are likely to not be or be in either party. The hate negros types are historically D. As is the Klan.
I'm sure if you looked hard one rampage suicide was registered R at least once in life. I've been registered in at least four parties. Which one do you blame?
You are many times likely to be murdered by a leftist than a conservative. Fact. But the Norway mass killer at the summer camp was far right conservative anti immigrant. No corresponding party here no matter what CNN tells you.
Tell me. Who is far right in the U.S. ? |
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