| Author | Message | ||
     Greatlaker |
Completely justified. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R46-XTqXkzE | ||
| Ourdee |
Told to sit down by an officer? Sit down. | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
I wonder how many stupid incidents like this could have been avoided if everyone would just watch that old Chris Rock clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR465HoCWFQ Timeless wisdom. | ||
| Pwnzor |
Told to sit down by an officer? Sit down.  | ||
| Hootowl |
As usual, the video omits the circumstances that led to the confrontation. Prior behavior of the actors informs the actions of the police. Justified? Possibly. Seems a bit over the top to me. But...I don't know what happened or why they were called in the first place. | ||
| Pwnzor |
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| Hootowl |
So, it appears that the cops did not crash a pool party. They responded to a complaint that there were people at the public pool who did not live in the area, were not guests of people in the area (community pools are for the residents of the community, and in Texas, where this incident occurred, are paid for by a tax on the local residents' utilities) and were engaged in disturbing behavior, refusing to leave, and fighting. There was no pool party. There were simply teenagers trespassing, fighting, and refusing to leave a place they had no legal right to be. There's always more to the story. | ||
| Sifo |
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015 /06/07/texas-police-officer-suspended-gun-pool-par ty/28651179/
10 to 1 this was a set up situation to entrap the police. Take a large group of people to an area where they don't belong, cause enough trouble to get numerous squad cars there, ignore the cops, and continue causing chaos until you get the video you want. The cops appear to be very vulnerable in the chaos with folks running on all sides of them. The cops are expected to get the situation under control. Ignore the cops and they are likely to end up kneeling on your back as they cuff you. It's not rocket science. | ||
| Figorvonbuellingham |
Sounds like an al sharpton plan. He'll be making an appearance on the scene with his "community" soon. I think they need to hire bigger cops. That little guy was struggling with that black girl in the bikini. They should follow Sweden's lead. I think that they have a 6' 7" height requirement. Those cops are all giants. (Message edited by figorvonbuellingham on June 08, 2015) (Message edited by figorvonbuellingham on June 08, 2015) | ||
| Biffdotorg |
Notice the kid in the khaki shorts made a motion like he was pulling something from his back pocket. The cop got a glimpse of that and pulled his weapon. Once the kid fled and the cop saw both of his hands, he re-holstered his weapon. That may have been coincidence, but those kids made a move to surround the cop on the ground and I would think that was an appropriate reaction on his part. That chick he took down was way beyond sassy, she had no respect for the law and what he was asking her to do. We saw no video of the residents asking them to leave, nor video of the police asking them to leave the 1st, 2nd or 3rd time. So you can about imagine, they happened as even with expletives and force, they still wouldn't leave. | ||
| Greatlaker |
McKinney, Texas, and the Racial History of American Swimming Pools http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/0 6/troubled-waters-in-mckinney-texas/395150? When a public pool really isn't meant for the "public". Completely sensible. That cop who pulled the gun was completely within his rights. Those kids looked threatening didn't they Aesquire. Better keep those kids down now before they turn into uppity adults. By the way gentlemen. That Chris Rock video is a parody. Nothing to be proud about by posting that link. If you notice every "infraction" comes with a beating. (Message edited by greatlaker on June 08, 2015) | ||
| Hootowl |
The racial history of American swimming pools is not germane. What does pertain to this incident are present day facts. "When a public pool really isn't meant for the public" It isn't a public pool. It's a community pool. There's a difference, as I explained in my previous post. The pool in my community is frequented by many black children because...wait for it...they live in my community. Their water district tax pays for it. In fact, the water district office is right next to the pool. They have every right to be there. They have membership cards issued by the water district. The trespassers at the pool in your video are not members of the community in which the pool is located. See the difference? Of course you do. You just choose to be obtuse. Seems to be a pattern. "That Chris Rock video is a parody" No, it isn't. | ||
| Hootowl |
"Those kids looked threatening didn't they" He says, from the safety of his keyboard, far away from the crime scene. What does the person who is about to shoot a cop look like? I don't think the cop knows until he or she gets shot. They are trained to protect themselves. He put the gun away when he recognized that there was no threat. Why do you see racism in everything? | ||
| Greatlaker |
Hoot. You yourself said it was a public pool..."They responded to a complaint that there were people at the public pool who did not live in the area." BTW, I don't see racism in everything. I do see racism in this particular incident though. What amazes me is that you don't. | ||
| Sifo |
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/06/08/ 412889290/texas-pool-party-update-teens-and-reside nts-speak-out
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| Greatlaker |
The comments section on that article is interesting Sifo. "They were just doing the right thing when these kids were fleeing and using profanity and threatening security guards," the white resident says of the police. This woman loves and trusts the government so much that she believes that "fleeing" and "using profanity" are crimes that armed members of the government can enforce with violence." | ||
| Akbuell |
The Asheville NC newspaper is the Asheville Citizen-Times. One section of the paper is the USA TODAY section, with articles from the USA TODAY newspaper. One of todays articles is "Boys in blue: I walked in their shoes" by Marisol Bello. She attended a use of force training and simulator course presented by the Law Enforcement Legal Defense Fund. In her words, she "Failed in every category", getting stabbed, having her partner next to her get shot before she reacted, ect. Opened her eyes. More interesting to me, a few comments from others interviewed for the story. The Rev. Markel Hutchins, who is black, is a civil rights advocate in Atlanta. He took the course, and "The training sensitized me in a way no other effort could have." He followed with "Our obligation is to promote understanding." Rashid Robinson, executive director of the online civil rights organization Color of Change "We have no need to go to their office and play video games." Which person would you choose to be a spokesman for you? | ||
| Hootowl |
"You yourself said it was a public pool" I misspoke, and later clarified that it was a community pool. How is it racist to kick people out of a pool who do not live in the community that pays for the pool, to which being a member of the community is a requirement for admission? So no, I do not see racism in this. And no, I'm not surprised that you do. Some people live to be offended. Just a guess, but I think that if they hadn't been picking fights and causing problems, no one would have said a word about them not being members. I'm rarely asked for my membership pass when I go to the pool, so it's not surprising that they were there long enough to cause problems before being asked to leave. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Even a public pool needs rules to be followed and needs to be closed at various times for various reasons. It's not an anarchy zone. The distinction between public and private is irrelevant, unless it's international territory in the middle of the ocean (and no piracy laws are being violated), it has a body that owns it and has the right to enforce rules and close it. There may or may not have been both laws broken and bad policing. I wasn't there, and didn't even watch the video yet (and don't really want too). But the public pool versus private pool distinction is another attempt by Greatlaker to sow confusion. | ||
| Hootowl |
I don't know Bill, this pool is effectively private, with membership belonging to the community in which it is situated. I think it's an important distinction. The trespassers were asked to leave and wouldn't. But I do agree that, trespassing or not, the behavior that they exhibited would have gotten them kicked out regardless. | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
Was it a condo pool or something? | ||
| Hootowl |
The police are saying they responded with 10 units to control the crowd, which was not responding to police commands. When people ignore cops, cops respond by making people obey. That involves the use of force, and that appears to be what happened here. This article provides more insight. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/ 2015/06/07/new-video-shows-texas-police-officer-pu lling-gun-on-teenagers-at-pool-party/ It sure is looking like it wasn't the kid's fault, and when the police showed up, they encountered a bunch of scared kids with no ill intent, who were invited to that pool by a member. But the cops don't know that when they show up. They don't know what's happening. At least one of them certainly appeared to be targeting black kids, but that could be because of the content of the complaint that was called in. If there is a racist element in all of this, it sounds like it is the unidentified "mom" at the pool. There is apparently video, taken at the pool, of an altercation between this "mom" and one of the kids, linked in the article. There's always more to the story. | ||
| Hootowl |
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/08/us/mckinney-texas-po ol-video/index.html Rules restrict the number of guests to two. Since they were not let in, some jumped the fence. The security guard was overwhelmed, and the police were called. According to Benet Embry, a black resident, "Let me reiterate, the neighbors or the neighborhood did not call the police because this was an African-American party or whatever the situation is," he said. "This was not a racially motivated event -- at all. This whole thing is being blown completely out of proportion." There's always more to the story. | ||
| Sifo |
As for the cop pulling his weapon, here's a frame from right before that...  The guy in the blue t-shirt has just circled around the cop and is heading straight for him. Also right toward the cop's weapon. This was about to turn into the same situation that happened in Ferguson. You just simply don't do that if you don't want the cop to pull his weapon. Here's the link, watch for it at 1:30 in. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/06/07/new-video-shows-texas-police-officer-pulling-gun-on-teenagers-at-pool-party/ The kids were already ignoring the security guard, threatening him, and jumping the fence. That we know of. First thing the cops need to do is establish order. Or they could just give them some space to destroy property, but I'm guessing the residence wouldn't have appreciated that decision any more than the residence of Baltimore did. Be a thug, get treated like a thug.  | ||
| Reepicheep |
There's another two minutes of my life I want back. Here is my opinion. Both groups were stupid. The kids were stupider, and being stupid on purpose. The cops made a mistake handling the situation but would have otherwise been happy to mind their own business and leave everyone alone. The cop should have prevented the situation that caused the stupider kids from escalating like that, but once it happened, he was right to draw. The kid in blue shirt was clearly threatening. I feel for the kids sitting on lawn pulled into it. But like Ourdee said, if you find yourself caught up in a mob and police are trying to restore order and they tell you to do something legal and reasonable... then do it, or consider yourself part of the mob. And if they ask you to leave and it is a reasonable request (as it was here), just do it because they are trying to do their job and you aren't an %$$H0^3. A philosophy which would have avoided this whole fiasco. | ||
| Thumper74 |
Mr. Blue Shirt was up to no good. | ||
| Blake |
Very poor performance by the very aggravated cop. That kind of excitable individual has no business being a cop. | ||
| M1combat |
That's kinda what I was thinking... that cop was "excitable". Not a good quality in a cop. The girl was "flippant". Not a good quality in a kid. The boy was aggressive towards a police officer. Not a good quality in a kid. A stark contrast to the Wal-Mart incident over here in Cottonwood AZ a month or so ago. A perp had a hold of an officer's gun, had already shot that officer (or possibly the officer's finger was on the trigger but I doubt he pulled the trigger on purpose) and another officer tried for a good while to get the two perps fighting the shot cop to let go of the gun using fists, feet, club etc before finally pulling his sidearm and shooting the one guy in the top of the head. Disturbing vid - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEnuSVQe8E4 Life can change very quickly when one or both sides in adversarial parties don't use their heads. | ||
| Pwnzor |
In that last video of the Wal-mart brawl, my opinion is that EVERY last person who isn't a cop is lucky to not have been shot dead on the spot. I don't think I'd have shown the restraint that those officers did, especially after one of their own had already been shot, laying there with a pile of people on top of him. I saw where one of the other cops accidentally kicked the shot officer right in the face when he was trying to kick one of those criminals... That's what those people are. Criminals. | ||
| Reindog |
Those criminals attacking the police deserved nothing less than summary execution. |
