She should sue the parents of the kids that jumped the fence and BOA for loosing her job, plus pain and suffering. She needs a good lawyer. Cop should sue as well, and Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton should lead the way. It's a start.
The white woman certainly put some "pain and suffering" on the 15 year old black girl she was beating on. Far more likely that the 15 year old victim will have legitimate reasons for pressing charges and suing.
That vendor company is CoreLogic Inc, a major financial data and analytics firm closely aligned with Bank of America."
"According to a statement given to the Dallas Morning News, “CoreLogic does not condone violence, discrimination or harassment and takes conduct that is inconsistent with our values and expectations very seriously. As a result of these pending allegations, we have placed the employee in question on administrative leave while further investigations take place.”
It seems that the woman who used racial slurs that initiated the pool fight has been suspended from her job.
And this is the problem with mob justice. If you watch the video, I mean actually look at what is going on, the lady in question isn't the instigator of anything, she is attempting to separate two others who are fighting. Which of those two actually instigated anything isn't answered by the video. It's already on. Meanwhile employer is having to balance public pressure of professional race baiter organizations vs. their legal problems if they actually take any action against one of their employees.
This story is attributed to the The Daily Koz. They are a sleazy left wing "news" organization. Notice how I put news in quotes? Here's a quote from the story when you follow the link in the story... "The Daily Kos reports the two women were “confirmed” to have made racist comments that led to the party spiraling into a violent melee in which police were called and also caught on tape abusing adolescent African American party guests." Notice how they put confirmed in quotes? Bottom line is that we don't know Jack about what started the fight, or if the girl in question was actually a guest at the pool or not. It's entirely possible that the girl was confronted after having jumped the fence of the pool, then started the fight. I really don't know, but it's as possible as anything else based on what information has been made public.
Meanwhile the race baiters will do what race baiters do.
What about the people who trespassed by jumping over the fence and ignoring the fact that they were not allowed to be there, and when asked to leave politely by "confirmed residents" of the development they simply ignored and threatened anyone who were asking them to leave,.. that is led to the party verbally scolding the trespassers (which they certainly deserved) to which they responded violently towards the confirmed residents at the pool, and that's when police were called to rectify the matter. (of course the trespassers would not even listen to the police when they showed up) Sue them ALL.
Sifo. Regardless of race, don't you think the real issue here is a grown woman hitting a 15 year old girl? An adult officer pulling a gun on children? The race of the people here is secondary.
If the adult woman was fighting with another adult woman this probably would not be the media sensation that it has become. This is about a woman fighting a kid. This is about a cop pulling a gun on kids. It's easy to make this into a black vs white issue but the most shocking thing to be taken from either of the videos from McKinney is the lack of empathy by a couple of adults towards children. Is the lack of empathy because the kids are black? That's a bigger unanswered question.
At least two white officers in the arrest video seem to be conducting themselves within the proper parameters of conduct for the situation at hand. One "stressed" officer seems to be over reacting to the situation. The "stressed" officer has apologized and resigned. Perhaps he was never particularly cut out to be a cop in the first place. Thankfully no one got shot on this particular day or things could have been far more ugly.
The cop who ended up resigning because of this had responded to a suicide call earlier in the day and then following that an attempted suicide call. The guy had a bad day before this pool incident. Perhaps the bigger lesson to possibly learn from this is that cops who have had one stressful incident in their work day should not have to respond to calls that might place them in another stressful situation. How much stress is too much to endure before someone snaps? That certainly seems to be the case in McKinney.
Wrong. It should be a non-issue. Race baiters like yourself try to make it an issue.
Regardless of race, don't you think the real issue here is a grown woman hitting a 15 year old girl?
Did you notice that the woman being discussed is the one trying to break up the fight? Does anyone actually know what started the fight, or who, or why? The "hitting" being done by this lady was little more than getting her attention. Did you notice that as soon as the two who were actually fighting let go she got in the middle to create separation between the two? Seriously, did you pay any attention to the video? The wrong person is under attack here. That's the main issue on this particular tangent.
Why did the fight break out in the first place? That's one of the first questions that need to be dealt with. If the 15 year old jumped the fence then went on the attack when confronted, then an adult in a fight with a 15 year old isn't the issue at all. The issue would be a 15 year old with no respect for any rules or other people. I don't know if this particular girl falls into this category, but she seems to have been running with that pack.
I have no idea what your experience with teens may be, especially teens grouped by where the live. I've seen it in person. I know where in my area to find the groups that will act like those in the first video. I have talked with adults that have had to deal with the fights, lies and accusations. I've personally been in the middle of discipline of kids like these. In the schools I deal with, virtually ALL of this sort of problem comes from two small areas. The other areas tend to have pretty darned good kids regardless of their race.
An adult officer pulling a gun on children?
When a mob of kids surrounds a cop and one of them is going at the cop, right where his weapon is holstered? I have no problem with the cop pulling his weapon. He is in a very dangerous situation at that point.
There is a real issue with other actions that this cop took. I would say that he was overly aggressive with the girl he was dealing with right before pulling his weapon. She was no angle either. The cop said that he was going to ignore this call until they said that there was a violent assault in progress. Yeah, he had a worse day up to that point than most of us can imagine. Then he answers a call for a violent assault and walks into a near riot scene. Then people who have never even imagined that sort of day, sit at their keyboards and second guess his every move, trying to inject race into it. I call BS on those people.
The adult woman hit a 15 year old kid several times Sifo. Justify it all you want. It's wrong.
"A mob of kids?" Really?? You call that a mob? I feel sorry for you Sifo. No wonder they only let your drive the short bus. A full length bus would contain a mob of kids. How threatening.
The "stressed" officer has apologized and resigned. Perhaps he was never particularly cut out to be a cop in the first place. No man you got it all wrong.. Cop was very respected and had commendable career (from what I read/heard) it's those kids who are NOT cut out to be respectable citizens/adults and some probably won't ever be. (the ones that trespassed and instigated the turmoil) They were told to leave the premises and refused, then jumped the fence into the pool area... THAT is the story not being told so much, the reason they got to the street area.
If they acted like adults, this would not be a news story. One woman and one officer's life possibly ruined because of some adolescent idiotic bumble brain trespassing hoodlums with no respect for any authority. Blame the parents, Sue the parents. }
The adult woman hit a 15 year old kid several times Sifo. Justify it all you want. It's wrong.
Again, she was trying to break up the fight, that neither you or I know how it started. How would you break it up? I have been coached on the subject. You?
"A mob of kids?" Really?? You call that a mob? I feel sorry for you Sifo. No wonder they only let your drive the short bus. A full length bus would contain a mob of kids. How threatening.
The witness in your third clip said it was about 130 kids. How many do you think you need to call it a mob?
As for driving the short bus, it's got a lot more responsibility than the full size bus. I stopped driving special Ed a few years ago though. After seeing three kids that I drove multiple times per day die, it kind of gets to you. My time driving special Ed really provided a different perspective on life. A perspective that most would really benefit from if they could get it. I have dealt with kids who have the attitudes you see in the video where they have zero respect for authority or rules. I know who they are and what neighborhoods they are from. As you seem to do around here, you seem to speaking from your ignorance. Please do tell us of your experience with dealing with groups of teens who have been brought up to ignore authority. This should be good!
I wonder how many people out there have been assaulted by "kids". I know a number of drivers who have been involved in various assaults by "kids", one who was involved in a stand off with the "kid" holding a knife to her throat for an extended period. I've seen drivers with and eye swollen shut from a "kid" who was just a bit out of control. It's an incredibly vulnerable position to be belted into a seat with your back to the kids, and the "kids" know it. Virtually every driver has heard how they are going to get sued for this and that from "kids". I know of multiple drivers who have been accused of things (myself included) that have been completely disproven when they look at the video tapes. The parents for the most part simply are closed to the possibility that their "kids" are completely out of control. Then they just can't understand how things go so wrong when these "kids" finally ignore the wrong authority figure who's job it is to protect everybody.
The cop in the video who pulled his gun is not surrounded by a mob. You can plainly see that. 130 kids may have been at the pool party but the police that we see in the video are not dealing with anything close to that number of kids.
I have four kids ages 7, 5 and 2.5 year old twins so I have yet to deal with teens yet.
The fact of the matter is, regardless of a child's adherence to the law, rules or authority they are children and no adult is justified in striking a child. That's why there are laws protecting children from physical assault by adults. Irrespective of a child's ignorance or a child's parenting or lack thereof, children are protected by law from assault by adults. Adults who assault children, regardless of the circumstance, should expect to have charges laid against them. Police officers who draw their weapon on unarmed teens should expect to be suspended.
As a bus driver who is supposed to protect children, it amazes me Sifo of your ignorance of this fact. Children under the age of 16 are not held responsible by law for their actions because they are still immature, they are children. Why is it Sifo, that you seem to ignore this simple fact, which is legal statute?
Thankfully Sifo, I am glad to know you never had kids yourself. Mercifully, a child hasn't been assaulted by you in the name of adherence to authority or discipline. Give yourself a pat on the back for that.
As previously stated.....thank the deities for bus cameras.
Still have no comment on the pool party. In general terms "you're hitting children! " while being assaulted by multiple younger goblins is mostly bull.
The coroner won't be able to tell if your skull was cracked by a fifteen or fifty year old. The knife wounds don't show if the girl was twelve or twenty.
Some people who have children should never have been allowed to breed.
In today's legal insanity it is dangerous to even be near children, much less try and control them.
That said I strongly feel kiddie molesters should not be imprisoned. Tattooed with "Mohammed's a Fink" on the face and delivered to ISIS, maybe.
"The adult woman hit a 15 year old kid several times Sifo. Justify it all you want. It's wrong. "
Obviously you have never dealt with a 15 yo kid. They demand to be treated like adults and when they are, they complain. You don't seem to get it either. She was in an altercation with an adult and would not end it. Please tell us what you would have done to separate the 2 oh wise one.
Sifo: Anyone dealing with Special Education kids deserves kudos. Tough job it is. The SO is a Special Education Teacher and Department Chair for her High School and the stuff she deals with from the kids to the parents is something I could not do. She gave up a high paying headhunter job to go back to teaching and specifically the Special Ed department because she loves those kids.
Lets see someone interview the parents of all the juvenile perps involved in that disgraceful display of adolescent misbehaving. A live group discussion like they do on Fox news with politics.
The cop in the video who pulled his gun is not surrounded by a mob. You can plainly see that. 130 kids may have been at the pool party but the police that we see in the video are not dealing with anything close to that number of kids.
As for the cop, how many people does it take to grab his gun? That's exactly where the "kid" in the blue shirt was approaching the cop. I'm not claiming he was going for the cop's gun, but he was making a very stupid move that the cop should not ignore. That doesn't seem to be what got him in trouble either. It was his dealing with the girl.
The fact of the matter is, regardless of a child's adherence to the law, rules or authority they are children and no adult is justified in striking a child. That's why there are laws protecting children from physical assault by adults. Irrespective of a child's ignorance or a child's parenting or lack thereof, children are protected by law from assault by adults. Adults who assault children, regardless of the circumstance, should expect to have charges laid against them. Police officers who draw their weapon on unarmed teens should expect to be suspended.
You seem very ignorant about the right to defend yourself. Perhaps this is why you find it appropriate for yourself to assault people when you find it fitting. I find that just a bit more than a little ironic. It's clear that you have no understanding of these things in the real world, not even with your own kids. Most parents will never see it with their own kids BTW. That's why so many parents, even when they see it on video fail to grasp how bad their kids are. Some OTOH, when they see the video evidence, are clearly horrified that their kids have acted so inappropriately. Usually once that happens, the kid will never act that way again.
As a bus driver who is supposed to protect children, it amazes me Sifo of your ignorance of this fact. Children under the age of 16 are not held responsible by law for their actions because they are still immature, they are children. Why is it Sifo, that you seem to ignore this simple fact, which is legal statute?
I'm quite well aware of the laws on this. These laws do not prevent you from defending yourself or others. What the lady "hitting the child" in the video is, is her acting in defense, trying to break up a physical assault. As soon as there was separation, not another blow was struck and she retreated creating space. Classic defensive tactics. She was clearly NOT the aggressor in this situation.
Lets see someone interview the parents of all the juvenile perps involved in that disgraceful display of adolescent misbehaving. A live group discussion like they do on Fox news with politics.
I'm willing to bet that they would have to beep out so much it would be difficult to follow any discussion. I would suggest Geraldo Rivera to host the show though. It's right up his area of expertise!
I've coached a *bunch* of kids. Once they hit about 14, most are big enough to represent a pretty serious physical threat if they totally loose their &*&^.
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Police officers who draw their weapon on unarmed teens should expect to be suspended
This statement is too stupid to even argue with. Five 15 year old kids surround a cop and start beating the crap out of her, and she isn't allowed to defend herself?
Heck, even a private citizen, in reasonable fear of their life, can legally kill in that circumstance.
In fact, were I as a concealed carry permit holder in Ohio to come across that situation, and reasonably believe the police officer's life was in danger, I could legally shoot them for as long as the deadly threat persisted.
Now don't get me wrong. I think we could learn a lot from the Brit's about how we approach policing. I think they are silly to go mostly unarmed, but I think they are brilliant in how they engage confrontations. They wait until they have massive numerical advantage, and they do a lot of other things to de-escalate the situation as much as possible. Of course that includes an Orwellian police state of constant video surveillance with facial recognition and constant tracking... so maybe the cure is worse than the disease, but I think we could learn from them and do better.
It is good to hear others opinions here. My concern was with the police officer losing his cool. I realize from later reports that he had had a tough day before this. However, trying to round up teenagers in that way is somewhat akin to trying to round up chickens. Secondly, when you draw your weapon, you are preparing to use it. There were other officers--I think I read somewhere up to 11--and many teenagers that could potentially be in the line of fire. I would believe the other officers were not happy either to be in potential line of fire.
I agree that the guy in the blue shirt did rapidly circle the cop to get to his blind side nearest his pistol. I have no training, so this is a question to those who have had the training. It seems to me that drawing a non-lethal weapon to engage an attacker leaves you with at least one less hand to safeguard your firearm. Is there some "rule" of the training dealing with that, i.e., if I think they are trying to target my firearm, I should draw it rather than the taser or pepper spray?
I don't see any error with his drawing of the weapon...(in his situation) that dancing bear could have been going for the weapon, he was flaunting his body in a threatening position very close to the officer and within 24" of the officers' holstered gun. Bouncing around like he was going to do something to the officer. I wonder what he said to the officer that made him pull his weapon?
The officer correctly protected his weapon, after pulling it out, he then correctly and immediately holstered it seeing there was no more threat. (PERFECT)
I also noticed that kid was smoking, is he even old enough to buy cigarettes? What is the legal smoking age in that state? What do his parents think of him smoking? Do they even care?
I would only suspend the officer for using excessive force trying to restrain the obnoxious and disrespectful bikini girl,... something like 2 weeks with pay.
And every kid that acted against the righteous residents of that neighborhood and the officers ... I would suspend for a week from school, but the ones that jumped the fence... I would make it 2 weeks and fine their parents 500.00.
