Ask yourself if you are offended by the treatment of Martians in "Mars Attacks"..... hope not since they are imaginary.
So are out of the closet jihadi. THAT Should offend you.
The rancid pre-medieval culture that sincerely believes it right and proper to throw a gay teen off a roof then pelt him with rocks until pain shock and blood loss kill him is the real world. They stone to death preteen girls after they've been gang raped. .......
Oh, there sure is a lot to be offended by. Pick yours, mine are obvious.
Wouldn't the world be a great place if nobody got offended? Half the discussions on this board would just disappear if that were the case, probably more.
Strokizator. It took me about 8 hours to read the book. Flight from Toronto to Vancouver is about 5 hours. 5.5 hours if the jet stream is uncooperative.
I will always be offended by cultures that murder a rape victim to erase shame to her family...... instead of publicly punishing the rapists.
If you really mean "wouldn't a world without such injustice be wonderful"? I'm with you.
8 hours is decent for an average book. 4 is pretty fast, I can do a novel.....about that fast. Light reading, not a textbook or flight manual.
But just because I'm angry about huge injustice doesn't mean you should meekly accept small ones. Your opinion that using a transgender imaginary person is stupid or ruins the parody has some validity.
I completely understand why, for example, a CNN anchor fears telling the truth about obedient Islam, while cheerfully attacking the U.S. military. The latter won't get his family murdered. The first will.
You forgot the Republican Party, previous generations, and the way the Lego version of the CN tower ( at the CN tower) challenges your manhood. ( I'm secure in mine)
Not to change the subject but can I assume you are pro gang rape?
Please note, sane people, that G seems to completely miss the fact that there are no open transgender jihadi Muslims. Out means murdered. I can only guess that doesn't bother him.
Remember when the prez of Iran said there were no gays in Iran? He meant open & alive.
I actually like radical Muslims, who, like American cafeteria Catholics pick and choose their tenants of faith so as to live in peace with those of other faiths. They are considered radical and evil by the Jihadi.
We really need a proper and truthful phrase for the ISIS and other jihadi types.... Originalist Islam? No, that one is the cause of inter-denominational war. Obedient Islam? ( that one's accurate ) Followers of the One True Faith? ( that's their own words.... )
I may miscount, so I'll make an occasional comment.
y, I am one, y,y,y,y,y,y,y,I like the BBC,n,y,y,y,Difference of opinion in definition, no, Why would I hate a town in Missouri?, Meh, No, Redundant, Redundant, NUll SET, Yes, No, I have Hope, Y ( He's a politician, right? ),y,y,y For various reasons, Ignoring repeats, And No, I wasn't Offended by Rocket.
He may have been trying to offend me, and I'm pretty sure I offended him. If he hadn't suddenly seemed to go off the rails into National Socialist Workers Party land, and seemed to be angry at everyone for not seeing how great a regime Hamas is, I'd welcome his input. Kinda miss him.
The bad thing is I've noticed that Jew Haters are in the company of the worst people on the planet. Deluded, raised to hate, manipulated, manipulating? So hard to tell in a flood of bile.
"Whomever put together that poster has a little too much time and hate on their hands. Whatever side you take, this is really nothing but bad taste."
this right here. if you like the poster then youre probably a jerk.
yes, MM said he didnt like snipers and called them cowards or something like that, whatever, his opinion shouldnt bother you.
That said, lets use logic a second (I know a few of you lack this, obvious by posts in this thread) - why would he approve of this movie if it were real? Because you threw a bunch of "PC" stuff in with it? He didnt say "American snipers are cowards" just "snipers"
anyway, to toss in the transgender folks into this is out of poor taste, why do it?
And to the guy that said that they were mentally confused...no, I think thats the point of it, they arent confused and are doing whatever they have to do to be who they think/feel that they are.
I have a question to ponder why does any one waste time on what that gas bag mm says any way?? moor reminds me of the family guy character Peter Griffith only Peter is smarter.
mm and his comments are not relevant, so who gives two $hits, our country is up to its neck in trouble and the media is ooooh look what mm said. time to ignore the twits and pay attention to important stuff.
yes, MM said he didnt like snipers and called them cowards or something like that, whatever, his opinion shouldnt bother you.
Of course you ignore that MM went far beyond insulting snipers. He went on to insult many millions who have seen the movie, as well as anyone who might identify with the Tea Party.
The poster in question OTOH, really did nothing to attack any transgenders. At least not that anyone has been able to explain so far. Of course, it did divide society down to a level where the specific group in question doesn't even exist, as has been pointed out by Aesquire. I'm not sure if that was in intentional part of the satire or not. It may have been.
So, I'm curious if some of you would find it so offensive if they had stuck a little closer to reality. What if they had done a Brokeback Mountain poster? MM has sung the praises of this movie and has used it a number of times as a feature in his movie festivals in Traverse City, MI where he owns a small theater. This poster could be done with real quotes from Progressives that have praised the movie, never straying into fiction. Same point could be made that this is a movie that MM would praise. Would this be offensive? Why or why not?
On a separate note... Imagine... A world without trolls...
Ask yourself WHY. And be aware that the poster itself trolled you.
Generally speaking I could care less what an actor says about politics. Matt Damon, who I think is a great actor, did an anti-fracking movie paid for by Arab Oil. So he no longer gets a pass I give all the other pretty people who's talent is pretending to be someone else. Ditto Ball players. Or Rock Stars.
Moore, OTOH makes his living with politics.
I did enjoy his "Roger and Me" and his tactic of grilling an underpaid security guard as though he was the zillionare CEO. Subsequent work has been unoriginal, derivative, and very dishonest. Moore, like the Governor of New York, has made it clear he holds all who don't agree with him in contempt, and would prefer them to go away or die. After he get's their money, of course.
Now, I may have missed some brilliant work, but I think he believes he's the new Leni Riefenstahl, deep in his heart of Hearts. Although I bet you in conversation he calls himself the Sergei Eisenstein.
So IF you are a MM fan, you are Supposed to be offended by the fake poster for a fake movie MM doesn't have the talent or brains to produce anyway.
What bothers ME is that NOT ONE of the people who bitch about the poster have clearly stated they are against the raping murderous cultists the imaginary movie is about.
And to the guy that said that they were mentally confused...
You didn't notice that was a troll who is unwilling or incapable of actual conversation?
He pops up, says something rude, or insulting, ( he thinks ) and usually shows some very unflattering part of his character. Above he seems to be a homophobic idiot, and in another thread he seems to be a fan Of Adolph Hitler.
I say seems because he won't answer questions or post a complete thought. He probably thinks he is clever, but, obviously.......
I usually ignore him unless I'm in a snarky mood, but it's like insulting the mentally challenged, he doesn't seem to get it and it's bad karma.
Now, I agree that the "transgender" part of the fake poster for a fake movie is silly/incorrect and may detract from the parody. Obviously it has in your case. Sorry that part of it made it less funny for you.
No problem... Sounds like redneck idiocy to me....
Unless you want to get into a hypothetic...hypocritic.... hypocondric... DARN AUTO CORRECT! whatever... discussion on the nature of sexual preference, I prefer to skip the nature/nurture discussion, and point out "Trading Places" with Dan Akroyd, Eddie Murphy, and Jamie Lee Curtis ( DANG!! ).
Because I don't know. Shrug.
I have some opinions but they are based on observation of a few crazy people and thus probably wrong.
Off topic of the stupid fake Poster..
This Summer, I may be taking a female buddy who got badly injured for a ride with her all female biker friends... She may never be able to ride again, and she feels very comfortable on the back on my Cyclone, and there may be romance issues if she rides behind another gal, but I'm a Guy so they aren't sure how MUCH of a prick I am so the matter is under negotiation.... At this time I am told I am taking Jean for an around town ride first to meet and get approved.
I got no problem with any of this, would be thrilled to take a mellow ride with any nice people, and actually think I have a clue as to why it's all a freaking soap opera. I think.
If there is anything I've learned over the years having oddball friends, of all types, is they are just people, their feeling get hurt, they have troubles communicating, and I can't change that. Believing anything else has always led to poor decisions for me. Maybe you are smarter.
No, you cant change people from having hurt feelings, but you (not YOU you, but as a whole) can make conscious decisions to not purposely hurt people.
I dont know anyone that is transgender, but I dont see the point in bringing a group into the 'battle' that has NOTHING to do with it, making fun of them (whether real or fake in this situation) and making them feel worse about the struggle they are dealing with - assuming it is really hard to tell the world that youre doing a sex change etc
I'm still trying to get someone to explain how that poster made fun of any transgender groups. Does simply acknowledging them equate to making fun of them?
Well, I suppose a Vegan Iraqi Sniper would have offended a lot of people too.
Lactose Intolerant Iraqi Sniper? Remember you have those fake quotes! For some that would be toilet humor. ( Of course it is, farts are funny... All kids know that. Not being able to eat Ice Cream or you'll fart is not.. ok, not AS funny.. Sensitivity issues.
Or... now this would really offend a lot of folk... Female Iraqi Sniper. The quotes could include "The New Mulan For Our Time" and keep most of the Poster's other quotes.
Darn Offensive though.
I do partly agree with Sifo, I don't see it as picking on the "group" but on the politics of the group's boosters.
Obviously "Cowboy Iraqi Sniper" wouldn't be a MM film... unless it was a full blown George Bush hit piece. Now that could be funny political satire.
For the love of God are we not allowed to make fun of anyone anymore? It's a good thing Joan Rivers was murdered. Apparently, her brand of humor isn't acceptable any longer.
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I'm still trying to get someone to explain how that poster made fun of any transgender groups.
It obviously ( to you & me ) is making fun of the "popular cause of the day" crowd and the politics of divide and conquer. The pitting of one group against another while you rip them off.
But...
Does simply acknowledging them equate to making fun of them?
Well, No.. But... It's a sex thing, so there is a humor level automatically tacked on, because sex is freaking hilarious. Culturally we are supposed to be embarrassed about sex so it triggers a guilt reaction, this messes with the heads of people in different ways. From the suppressed giggle, to anger at the mention of a bodily fluid.
Anger, offended, trigger words, "you can't say that", all sorts of messed up reactions and idiot attempts to fix hurt feeling by decree... .
It's not just Sex anymore. Have you HEARD of "trigger words"? Online cartoons now carry "Trigger word warnings" so that a subject that could trigger a PTSD attack does not confront some poor soul while reading his favorite comic strip.
I Sh87 you not.
Now I can grasp that when it's rape or combat or death of a beloved.... A bit less onboard with the concept if we're talking Gluten.
Don't get me wrong, I have sympathy for those with real diseases, not all Christians burn witches, Some of my best friends are....end rant
I'm no expert on how a culture goes to hell in a hand basket, but I seem to be taking classes.
This whole thing reminds of not long ago, when if you disagreed with BO's policies, BO supporters would claim that you are being racist. They could never explain that, and they can't explain how this should offend transgenders. Total pile of BS IMO.
Posted on Wednesday, February 11, 2015 - 01:38 pm:
There seems to be a lot of "they" that somehow need to do a lot of "explaining". Is this really so hard to understand? Are people incapable, or just unwilling to understand? Is it being suggested that the "they" (BO supporters claiming racism) are the same "they" who can't explain transgender derision? If so, why is it assumed to be the same "they"?
For those of you who can't or won't "get it", the "humor" in the poster is based on the viewer finding a transgender character "comical" because it is assumed there is something wrong with them. It's the same logic behind bullying- the mob mentality is to attack the individual who stands out, especially if it keeps the harm directed away from you and towards someone else.
The irony is that transgender people usually don't have an issue with themselves- it is society that has an issue with them. Trans know who they are, and are just trying to live their life being who they are. It's members of society that create the intolerant situation, and they are the ones demanding that the transgender individual act in a way that goes against who they are. The confusion belongs to the prejudiced members of society- not the transgender folks. It is this acrimonious misperception of trans by society that allows them to be ridiculed and derided without compunction. Just because the mob approves it doesn't make it any less wrong.
I can see, from a wrongheaded point of view, how it makes sense to include a transgender character in a mockery in order to induce humor from a bigoted audience. To me, the derision is obvious, to others- I guess not so much. It would probably help those who are finding it hard to understand the issue here to realize they just might be representative of the crowd seeing things through a jaundiced eye (but unaware of it). If someone were so inclined to strive for a more objective viewpoint, better understanding always comes from adopting different perspectives.
Posted on Wednesday, February 11, 2015 - 02:18 pm:
You have a point there in that the transgender political movement is being mocked along with Bill Clinton's horndog nature and Chris Mathews's barely concealed man crush.
There are other such folk that would have made a much better parody. .......
I do have to ask if you are even vaguely aware that gay people are publicly and proudly murdered by ISIS? For me that is the aspect of that choice that bothers me..... bullying is what they ARE!
Posted on Wednesday, February 11, 2015 - 03:11 pm:
Red, you do make some intelligent points.
I don't know if the poster writer made that choice for a clever cutting satire reason ( the utter lack of freedom and tolerance for gays in the Arab world ) or because he's going for the sexually uptight joke.
Clever and insightful jerk or just jerk?
I won't ever know from a sample of one. You need more examples to make an informed judgement. .... and frankly it's not that clever ignoring the single aspect some folk have been offended by.
Posted on Wednesday, February 11, 2015 - 05:20 pm:
RBJ nailed it pretty good as far as I'm concerned. Here's one key point.
For those of you who can't or won't "get it", the "humor" in the poster is based on the viewer finding a transgender character "comical" because it is assumed there is something wrong with them.
There is no direct attack on transgenders in the poster. It's in the mind of the person viewing the poster. One will see an attack, one will not. It's the one seeing the attack that sees transgenders as a group that needs defending. Why? Because they see the transgenders as someone who is less than others and in need of protection. Others will simply recognize that the poster is simply an attack on MM, not transgender jihadists. No doubt transgenders have suffered mockery at times, as have just about all groups. This just isn't one of those times though. Unless perhaps you happen to be one of those viewers of the poster who finds a transgender character comical because they assume there is something wrong with them.
On a spin off topic mentioned earlier in this thread. Did the pilots of that plane that crashed really shut down their good engine after the first one flamed out? Please tell me that can't be the correct procedure for any twin engine aircraft.
Posted on Wednesday, February 11, 2015 - 05:54 pm:
According to the info i have, yes, they got a flameout on one engine then shut the other down. They were working on getting it restarted, but alas, not concentrating on flying the plane, when they went in.
No, that in not what you are supposed to do, and there is some speculation why. Some have commented that that airline has crashed that model plane before, so there may be training issues.
The last second turn into the river may have been intentional, and if so was fairly heroic, since any other place would have killed far more people.
Do you want a link to a long fairly boring report?
Posted on Wednesday, February 11, 2015 - 06:13 pm:
Do you want a link to a long fairly boring report?
Not really. I just heard that reported, and really expected to hear more considering how incredibly stupid that move appears to be. It's not the first instance of a flight crew shutting down a good engine when one goes bad though. Stupid things do happen, sometimes with spectacular results. Spectacular isn't necessarily good.
Posted on Wednesday, February 11, 2015 - 10:20 pm:
There's a reason the FAA insists on a multi-engine rating. And annual testing.
The idea is that having a spare engine gives you a better chance to find a happy landing if one fails. In reality, the asymmetric thrust forces you to work the controls to keep straight, this increases drag, and the remaining engine often has just barely enough power to keep the plane climbing if it fails at the worst time, during take off. It's a marginal and busy time and you have to remember a bunch of numbers ( critical speeds & distances ) and techniques when lights are flashing, and often warning noises yelling at you.
It's usually not nearly as nerve racking if an engine quits while cruising along at altitude, and it's not unusual for a twin engine airliner to shut down an engine and cruise great distances on one, with little drama on landing. ( Modern Turbines have much more excess power than WW2 era piston engines )
It's the low and slow part of the journey that is most hazardous. In the real world twin engine light planes are statistically not much safer than single engine ones, due to the difficulty of flying on one engine, in a heavier plane, without a lot of excess power to climb or accelerate.
And, yes, there have been cases where shutting down the working engine by mistake ruins everyone's day. The crash we are talking about, a Transasia ATR... is, spectacular.
In reality, the asymmetric thrust forces you to work the controls to keep straight, this increases drag, and the remaining engine often has just barely enough power to keep the plane climbing if it fails at the worst time, during take off.
Not to mention the fact that doubling the number of engines doubles the chances of an engine failure.
