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Crusty
Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2015 - 05:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Read this article. It'll scare you.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-plan-to-track- drivers-went-much-wider-new-documents-reveal/ar-AA 8J9kW?ocid=iehp
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Etennuly
Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2015 - 06:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That is powerful spy crap right there, however, citizens have voluntarily given up so much more supposedly private information on themselves by loading up and carrying their smart phones. Go ahead.....prove to me that the gobm't doesn't read and follow the information trail on cell phones at their discretion.

Being able to be a private American citizen went out with the end of the Cold War. We were warned about this happening, but at the expense of convenience and cool gadgets, we let it happen.....asked for it even.

The only hope for Big Brother to be "friendly" is the hope that they will be inundated by so much information that nothing will make sense.
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Mnscrounger
Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2015 - 07:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The only way to hold our rights in the face of privacy invasion is to vociferously, and unashamedly assert them, and to invite everyone else to do the same.
"Yeah, so I occasionally go to a local gun show, along with thousands of other NON criminals. So what's your point G-man?"
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Ferris_von_bueller
Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2015 - 08:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The only hope for Big Brother to be "friendly" is the hope that they will be inundated by so much information that nothing will make sense.

That's why the NSA operates acres and acres of supercomputers to sift through all that information
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Court
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2015 - 05:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I frequently see the 2 cameras on a tripod in the NYC area ..... That match faces and license plates.

NYC is no London ...... But they quietly .... Tacitly admit they can find anyone in the city in under 2 minutes.
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Gschuette
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2015 - 08:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I reject the notion that by clamoring for technology and convenience we invited big brother along. No one invited him, he sucks.
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Bob_thompson
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2015 - 09:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The producers that made the sci fi movie "1984" were not too far off in that prediction way back when. That took about 40 years to just about come true. Glad I won't be around to see what on the horizon for the future. I just may never turn my TV on again!
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Panhead_dan
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2015 - 09:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The only hope for Big Brother to be "friendly" is the hope that they will see us as profitable. When that stops, they will have no further use for us.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2015 - 09:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I drove on a new toll road near Raleigh, NC over Christmas vacation. No toll booths; there's little indication that you are even entering a toll road. They use automatic cameras to photograph your license plate. They match that up with a database and ~1 month later you get a bill in the mail for your toll, including a photo of you driving the car and the license plate.

Something about that really worries me.
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Bluzm2
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2015 - 10:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They do the same thing on the Denver turnpike..
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Etennuly
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2015 - 10:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Clamoring for tell on yourself programs like Progressive's "Snap Shot" that has become fairly popular over the past couple of years. Lots of insurance companies are getting on board with it now.

I know of a young fella who got that device for his first Corvette to save 10% on his insurance premiums. I was told that they canceled him in about six months after raising his rates a couple of times.....something about speeds in excess of 160 mph.....frequently. He never wrecked or got a speeding ticket for it though.
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Rick_a
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2015 - 11:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just wait...they'll be quietly shoving widespread public surveillance down our throats in due time. They've already got the communication avenues covered.

All the tracking features are turned off on my phone...that's nobody's business. If I get lost or make a call I suppose there's no choice.
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Reindog
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2015 - 11:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Why do you think your phone is off when you turn it off? You have to remove the battery if you truly desire to disconnect.
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Oldog
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2015 - 11:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey Rein, can you place the phone in a Faraday cage and do the same thing ?
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Strokizator
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2015 - 12:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yet somehow they were unable to keep 12 million foreign nationals from just walking across our borders.
Sure the technology is there but these guys are as inept as the Keystone Cops.
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86129squids
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2015 - 12:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



NOW I'm wondering if I'll have to take my phone battery out whilst riding with all you maniacs at Glitchfest...
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Arcticktm
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2015 - 12:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

the 12 million must not have had smartphones with them.
or they removed the batteries....
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2015 - 12:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

..but these guys are as inept as the Keystone Cops.

I have long wondered if that is not the greatest con of all.

"unable to keep out"???? Not so, it would take a larger force, but the vast majority of illegal border crossers could be stopped, but never all.

Even with mine fields, fences, tripwires, guard towers, and a total willingness to murder their entire peasant population, the Soviets could not keep people from escaping.

But the Government of the U.S. Chooses not to close the border. Too many rich people profit from exploiting the illegals.

But your impression of incompetence May be a propaganda ploy, not an accurate observation.

Yes, the under trained TSA minions that make airline travel unpleasant are not James Bond, ( and have AFAIK never actually stopped a terrorist attack ) but the Civil Masters that use the minions to intimidate and thus shape the attitudes of the public sheep know what they are doing. Why would you think protecting YOU is high on their priority list?

Is the CIA hyper-competent, or bumbling idiots?

It seems we are to believe both, as both false impressions are useful.

The NSA has never suffered from those doubts. They collect information, and quietly go abut their business, whatever that is or whatever enemy they monitor. They never make claims of omnipotence, or of incompetence, just cruise along, absorbing budgets, producing results you never see.
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Uncle
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2015 - 01:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Remember.......Technology is not perfect. A commercial airliner (MH370) was able to go missing and we basically have no idea where it is.
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Crusty
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2015 - 01:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Maybe they do know where it is; but don't want us to know.

Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you.
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Bob_thompson
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2015 - 02:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Strokizator: "Yet somehow they were unable to keep 12 million foreign nationals from just walking across our borders.
Sure the technology is there but these guys are as inept as the Keystone Cops."

Yes, very true, but the Obama administration wanted them in this country to build a voting base favorable to him and the Dems. THAT, hopefully, will change in '16 along with many other things bad for this country.
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Court
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2015 - 03:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Interesting that today . . .a group at M.I.T. tells us that they can, with 90% confidence, identify a person by knowing 4 credit card transactions of a person.

IF they have the prices with the transactions . . they can do it in 3.

Our habits are as unique as our fingerprints and retinas.

http://www.networkworld.com/article/2878394/big-da ta-business-intelligence/mit-researchers-show-you- can-be-identified-by-a-just-few-data-points.html
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Reepicheep
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2015 - 03:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I may or may not know somebody who may or may not have a patent application in on a technique to allow utilization of that kind of data, but with much better privacy protections for individuals....

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Court
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2015 - 08:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bilderberg

I do own a couple law enforcement Faraday bags ( they toss cell phones in them to keep the from being wiped of evidence) that my work phone and laptop go n when not in use.

NYC uses the photo tolls on the HHB
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Etennuly
Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2015 - 12:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Send a few million smart phones to Mexico for free. Get the good citizens hooked on free Aps and what ever these devices can do for them. Then send an army of mobile portable generators(with tracking devices) all over their Northern territories to charge the free phones, for a fee of course. In six months you'll be able to track them anywhere. They won't be able to put the damn smart phones down once they discover 'Candy Crush'.

It'd cost less than one month of welfare and border protection.
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Court
Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2015 - 12:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Why send smartphones . . . . within 48 hours of getting here, illegally, they qualify for a free one.
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Crusty
Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2015 - 02:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think I'm going to become an Illegal Immigrant. All I have to do is say, "No habla" over and over and the guvmint will give me everything I want! Free medical, free education, free food, free phone, free Driver's License and a huge tax refund, even though I didn't pay any taxes out! No wonder they want to come here!
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