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Gregtonn
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 30, 2014 - 12:18 pm: | 
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You really can't run an AR "wet."
The first shot tends to blow any excess lube out.
Not true. I've seen some really nasty, dirty, sludged up bolt carrier groups after someone doused them with lube and then spent a day on a dusty range.
Guys running piston guns will also try to tell you they don't need to be cleaned because gas isn't directed into the bolt carrier. They end up with the same sludge just not as much powder residue on the bolt carrier group. Then there are the extra piston and linage parts to deal with.
Piston guns have a whole different set of issues including "carrier tilt" and expelling hot dirty gas just ahead of most optics.
Not an expert, just an aware user.
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Oldog
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 30, 2014 - 04:09 pm: |
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I hope people also noticed the part about the dangers of firing 5.56 ammo in a .223
Yeah I caught that Greg, it concerns me, the rifle is a DPMS "Panther" and it is marked 223-5.56 leaving me kinda scratching and going Huh ?, I caught the crap catch on the wet operation,
BTW Fatty mentioned, using Molly coat, the only version of that I am familiar with is a grease, as I mess with this gun a thin light Ht Grease seems to make sense for lube. Not my gun to experiment with so break free for now, 4 drops make a MESS of it... perhaps thats the "wet" ?
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Aesquire
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 30, 2014 - 06:18 pm: |
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No not all the lube sprays you in the face out the stupid charging handle slot. Some can drip into your mag and trigger mechanism, possibly becoming sludge and ceasing all function.
My pet peeve with the AR series is the 2nd gen handle still in use. The original was a trigger looking thing in the carry handle. Every OTHER gun designed in the last 200 years seems to have a more logical charging handle. I know some are even dopier... but Dang!...... End rant.
You don't want a wet gun in dust. OTOH if it's shooting in the rain that's your thing, I say hose it down!
Then wipe it off. I used Breakfree CLP and after cleaning sprayed it and wiped, leaving a slight, wet, film.
I'm no expert.
If I lived in Arizona, I'd use dry lube and avoid dust collecting films like the plague.
.223-5.56 markings mean it's safe for either. It's for folk who would freak that they couldn't use .223 in a 5.56 marked rifle. ( you can. )
(Message edited by aesquire on December 30, 2014) |
Thumper74
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 30, 2014 - 07:48 pm: |
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Aesquire, I have to agree. I like the AR, but don't understand the charging handle. I |
Ourdee
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 31, 2014 - 05:29 pm: |
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I like the charging handle. Makes it easy to charge with the rifle right side up or upside down. I used to carry muzzle up in the desert and muzzle down in the wet. It is a faster draw, charge, safe to fire or auto, and trigger pull with it upside down.
I use MILITEC-1 on any new gun I get. They make synthetic metal conditioner. |
Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Thursday, January 01, 2015 - 12:08 am: |
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I use this stuff:
https://www.birchwoodcasey.com/Cleaning-and-Mainte nance/Cleaning-Maintenance/Moly-Lube™-Dry-Film-Firearm-Lubricant.aspx
Doesn't attract dust or carbon. Cleaned two ARs today and most of the gook wiped off. The Moly spray is a dry lubricant that adheres to the metal. It doesn't cook off. I've run thousands of rounds through between cleaning without issue.
The intent of the charging handle was to reduce the openings for stuff to enter the action and to eliminate a reciprocating handle.
Even the new non-reciprocating charging handles are found mostly on safe queens in that the large slit on the side of the receiver permits in dust and grime at a much higher rate.
I use the Rainer Arms Raptor handle. It's larger and can be pulled right or left handed. It is mo bettah! |
Ourdee
| | Posted on Thursday, January 01, 2015 - 01:23 am: |
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This link works: https://www.birchwoodcasey.com/Cleaning-and-Mainte nance/Cleaning-Maintenance/Moly-Lube%E2%84%A2-Dry- Film-Firearm-Lubricant.aspx |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Thursday, January 01, 2015 - 08:03 am: |
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Thanks for the advice on lube.
You can buy a non reciprocating charging handle upper that does not have a big open dirt scoop. If I build one up this year I'll use one and report here. |
Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Thursday, January 01, 2015 - 07:14 pm: |
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Who are you looking at Aesquire? All that I have seen have gaping gashes in the side or are spend as hell (I'm cheap and can put up with a lot of irritation with the traditional charging handle). |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Thursday, January 01, 2015 - 10:07 pm: |
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More than one company have made variations on the theme. Some better than others.
This one looks interesting.
http://www.gibbzarms.com/
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_12/645800_Review__G ibbz_Arms_Side_Charging_AR15_Upper.html
or?
http://www.joeboboutfitters.com/Spartan_Side_Charg e_Non_Reciprocating_Billet_Upper_p/jb-non-recip-up per.htm
https://newfrontierarmory.com/shop/side-charging-a r-15-stripped-billet-upper-receiver/
don't know about this one.
http://www.americanspiritarms.com/upper-receivers/ asa-ar-15-m4-side-charger-upper-receiver-without-c arrier/
Opinions? |
Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Thursday, January 01, 2015 - 10:20 pm: |
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They still have a sliding section that will grab dust, dirt, sand and grime and introduce it directly to the BCG, FCG and barrel. That and they are nearly three times the cost of a standard upper.
I can put up with a lot of the standard charging handle for that price. |
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