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Hootowl
| | Posted on Thursday, October 23, 2014 - 05:20 pm: | 
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"There are many cases where service members in uniform, given the right to legally carry concealed sidearms, would be a valuable asset in saving the lives of many."
I absolutely agree. Do you know that it is illegal to carry a gun on US military bases?
We give these kids automatic weapons, then bring them home and tell them we don't trust them to carry a revolver. Ridiculous. |
Pnw_uly
| | Posted on Thursday, October 23, 2014 - 05:36 pm: |
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"There are many cases where service members in uniform, given the right to legally carry concealed sidearms, would be a valuable asset in saving the lives of many."
"Do you know that it is illegal to carry a gun on US military bases?"
Good point, and yes, all too familiar with 2A restrictions on military posts/bases... My comment was to highlight the fact that our service members on ceremonial duty do NOT (routinely) carry ordnance, but in light of the ISIS threat against the military and events yesterday, I think it's about time to review that policy. . .or have armed guards in the close range to those memorials and the service members posted there. |
Torquehd
| | Posted on Thursday, October 23, 2014 - 06:50 pm: |
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We give these kids automatic weapons, then bring them home and tell them we don't trust them to carry a revolver. Ridiculous.
Ding ding ding.
And the majority are not kids.
Who better to trust than soldiers who have carried on a daily basis, in a nonpermissive environment, and have proven that they are responsible (and generally effective) with firearms?
Is there general consensus that the gunman was put down by multiple officers? I thought I read somewhere that a soldier put him down. |
Sifo
| | Posted on Thursday, October 23, 2014 - 06:59 pm: |
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Is there general consensus that the gunman was put down by multiple officers? I thought I read somewhere that a soldier put him down.
That's one place where I have confusion on this. One guy is being praised as a hero for putting the shooter down. I have no problem with that, but, where was the rest of the security? I saw a short video clip where it's hard to tell who's doing any shooting, but there are a lot of shots being fired. Did the shooter have an automatic weapon? That would kind of make sense with the rapid fire heard in the video if there was only one guy who could shoot back. If that barrage of fire came from a group of security agents, I wouldn't expect one person to be praised as the hero that put him down. He should have been well ventilated. I'm very unclear what happened.
Keep in mind, all of this is under Canadian law, not US. I don't know what differences that would make with military guards, etc. |
Blake
| | Posted on Thursday, October 23, 2014 - 09:11 pm: |
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What the heck happened to you Anthony?!?
Are you ok?
You used to be one of the more upbeat friendly guys here. Free bear and Spidy stuff all over the place.
Need a hug? |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Thursday, October 23, 2014 - 09:17 pm: |
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Do not mistake awareness for fear.
Ditto.
Pretty much in agreement on the rest... I do have to caution myself not to underestimate this threat.
AQ had one genius, and he died in 2001.
Atta understood the West in a way many of his allies did not. That's why the use of airliners as weapons was so effective. he had a good understanding of the enemy, and where to strike. It is widely accepted that the Capitol was the target of the plane brought down by the passengers in PA. It might have been the White House, but either would be the kind of flashy target you want.
ISIS has all these Western "warriors", or dupes, if you prefer. The better understanding that gives them in targeting is not to be ignored.
So far it's been well planned. Consider the plots we know of.
Kidnapping Australians to behead on the internet.
Similar plot in England. ( but different with good knowledge of the psych of the Brits )
Random "converts" killing in the US, ( 3 so far? )
This attack on the Capitol in Canada.
As said above, Canadians just don't do these things. So it's a real slap in the face to find that the enemy DOES, and right in the heart of your society.
In conclusion, I've had the rare chance to sit with some folk in the intel community, informally, over the years, and the concept of considering what you would do if you were the enemy is well trained in these guys. So over a few beers around a campfire, you get quiet conversations about how would you do a terrorist attack.
My angle, as a tech nut would be to attack the life support system for maximum damage.
But that's not the Political optimum for terrorism, that's the military OSS thinking on attacking an enemy state.
The Heart of America is it's public, commercial spaces and the culture that inhabits them. So Malls and Stadiums are the prize targets for gunmen and mass destruction weapons, respectively.
Thus, I've been worried for years about gunmen at the Mall, like happened in Kenya, and have been so far happy that the enemy didn't understand us well enough to pick on those targets.
But the New guys being sent back to the West, and being run by remote via Facebook and Twitter...... Could be smart enough.
I fear a bit. Only prudent. Still standing, though. |
Ljm
| | Posted on Thursday, October 23, 2014 - 09:54 pm: |
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The public places targets are good for psychological damage, but consider this, part a repeat from another post, but with an interesting new wrinkle: how many key transportation facilities are staffed by those who may be sympathetic to ISIS? Airports, surely. But what about access to fuel supplies for vehicles. Go visit 10 gas stations. What do their employees look like? If you cripple air travel, limit ground transportation through damaging access to fuel supplies, then with a few strategically placed attacks, you could cripple rail travel as well. Where would that leave us? Think about it. |
Torquehd
| | Posted on Friday, October 24, 2014 - 02:26 am: |
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CARVER matrix.... just twisted so that "effects on local populace " is violence/chaos/fear, as the desired effect. |
Ferris_von_bueller
| | Posted on Friday, October 24, 2014 - 07:24 am: |
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A widespread full scale attack would be the perfect excuse to rid ourselves of the Muslim invaders and their enablers. |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Friday, October 24, 2014 - 07:33 am: |
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Excuse? but since the enablers are the ones most likely to use the crisis to impose martial law, "postpone" elections, and send the "real terrorists" to those FEMA camps the crazy people keep talking about.... be careful what you wish for.
( US DOJ definition of "terrorist": Those who disagree with the DOJ )
I rather not watch the tv coverage of the dead kids at the mall.
So make sure you carry concealed at all "gun free zones", right? |
Reindog
| | Posted on Friday, October 24, 2014 - 10:51 am: |
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Reindog
| | Posted on Friday, October 24, 2014 - 10:54 am: |
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We are in this war (apologies to pResident Obola) together. I love Canada and Canadians and am sorry to the reality that they are awakening towards.
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Aesquire
| | Posted on Friday, October 24, 2014 - 12:41 pm: |
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Ditto.
Canada has made a major effort to welcome Muslims.
The evil men who manipulate others have their own agenda. Wealth and power. Same as the Dark Age they want to bring. |
Fresnobuell
| | Posted on Friday, October 24, 2014 - 04:28 pm: |
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quote:I love Canada and Canadians and am sorry to the reality that they are awakening towards.
Yep, never met a Canadian I didn't like and most of them I liked alot. Good people. |
Fast1075
| | Posted on Friday, October 24, 2014 - 05:53 pm: |
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Some of my best and most loyal customers are Canadian. Some seriously good people in general. Some of them are sort of hard to understand though . |
Pwnzor
| | Posted on Friday, October 24, 2014 - 07:42 pm: |
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Having dealt extensively with Canadians on both sides of the law, I can tell you that upright citizens and criminals alike are a class apart from the average American.
You can let your imagination take you where you want to with the above statement.
What happened up there is terrible. |
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