| Author | Message | ||
     Rocket_in_uk |
I'm sure every gun loving American is a gunsmith. I believe that was my point. It wasn't meant as a criticism either. Just pointing out how serious guns are for some, yet the possession of them is like that of a child with a toy taken away for being naughty. Then I should be shocked my comments would have a person say they wonder why they would defend this country. But I'm not. There's always been a price to pay and by hell some Yanks are brilliant revelling in the glory of others plight. Lest they forget they did not win anything on their own and likely never will. At least not without the British helping them. It's amazing how your combination of ignorance, childish belief in slave state propaganda, and lack of common sense combine to create the perfect mouthpiece for the most evil people on Earth. What makes you believe you've got it right? I've not heard anything but propaganda telling me how evil these people are you speak of. I'm sure they love their loved ones as much as you love yours. I'm just as certain when you kill them with your drones, and that would include their loved ones, I'm pretty sure when they behead someone for their cause they remind themselves of the evil done to them. I remain unconvinced this shit should have ever started. If my lack of support for America's foreign policy has you brand me ignorant and childish, and lacking common sense, you my friend are a lot more stupid than your obvious intellect camouflages. Not knowing who the British FM is is the least of your problems. Rocket in England | ||
| Torquehd |
ISIS is the most violent... I think Horus is more violent, Isis was all about drinking wine and making babies. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
You repeat a lot of falsehoods and propaganda points. All from the most murderous folk. And whose propaganda do you repeat? Or do you consider yourself free from such, a person should accept your murderous slanderous racist intentions upon other peoples you find distasteful because your source was that of no propaganda? If so your arrogance of such says a lot more about you than it does about me and who or what I choose to believe. More so since I've never actually taken a side when you've clearly stated yours often. In my eyes you're a blinkered tit with too many books and far less brain cells in the real world. Rocket in England | ||
| Torquehd |
I'm pretty sure when they behead someone for their cause they remind themselves of the evil done to them. Haha. Blame the cause on the effect. Do you really think it all started with mean ol' 'Merican's using drones to bomb muslims? Crack your history books open. They behead people because their religion commands them to. The qran is extremely clear on this. They're commanded to kill nonbelievers in a way that is so violent, all who see it will fear them. And they hate you Brits just as much as us Americans. They hate you because you're not a muslim. | ||
| Kenm123t |
LOl The Brits a help these days Hell you cant even keep the muslims from turning your teenage girls into sex slaves for Paky shop keeps Then your cowardly councils are afraid to say any thing about it Hell where are the Daddies brothers and uncles of these girls? Nation of football obsessed drunks that don't know they have lost their culture Its too late your Dimmhies enjoy your slavery | ||
| Torquehd |
oh... and, it's not "the evil done to them." It's baptizing them with the holy fire of Justice.  | ||
| Aesquire |
I think Horus is more violent, Isis was all about drinking wine and making babies.  I've always favored Freya. Depicted surprisingly well in the movies based on comic books. Goddess of Love & War.  | ||
| S21125r |
"possession of them is like that of a child with a toy taken away for being naughty" No its like having a civil right taken away for doing nothing wrong. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Gun control has made the Uk the most violent nation in the world. Oh spare me Ken. Where did you read that nonsense? What dumb statistic had you believe that? Your statement about how its a good thing that there are no guns in Britain is the source of the bedwetting liberals gun control freaks opinions here. Good for them. I couldn't care less what the bedwetting lib's opinions are there. Though why you think it's important to point this out to me as if you're typecasting me as one of them here misses my point entirely. The simple truth is this country does not need its gun laws relaxing. There is no need for this nation's citizens to arm themselves. Not now. Not before, and not so women don't get raped. Nor so Brit's don't get themselves seriously assaulted or even killed. It is what it is here. It might get better yet. It might not. It might get worse if the austerity continues on into another generation - which in reality it probably will despite us being told otherwise. So when the crime rate rises, all the more reason to have tight gun laws where police have the powers to seek out those with illegal guns intent on using them for criminal purposes. Despite the obvious gun crimes, including murders, the police do a pretty good job of keeping the gun crimes low. Not to mention there are those with a criminal element who wouldn't touch guns for obvious reasons as to how gun possession escalates not only what type of criminal they are, but also how it affects them if and when caught. Robbing a jewellery shop with a mask and a bat is a serious crime. Robbing a jewellery shop with a mask and a gun will get you a hell of a lot more porridge. And a reputation in the underworld you might not welcome. YOU have no discipline and would attack others with a gun for no reason on a bad day. Good know you lack the basic ability to be a member of a civilized society! I am a member of such am I not? It must be important for you to take all of my comments literally if it's the best you can do to get your point across. But what it really is a silly attempt to discredit comments that have you branding those with opposed views to yours as liberal bed wetters. To be fair though, I wouldn't expect you to see the other side of the gun law coin. That would be stupid of me to assume any staunch supporter of peoples rights to own and carry guns could see the arguments of those opposed to such. Especially as doing so would in itself be an acceptance of some truths that stack up statistically like the obvious one of accidental shootings which kill thousands of American children every year, as well as adults too of course. But hey, there'll be a good excuse coming along shortly. Excuses for owning guns over there are like busses. There'll be one coming along shortly. As for your society blaming guns for crime Hell governments kill more of their own citizens that crime does! Oh I'm sorry. I do apologise. I meant after the government had had their killing spree of course! But let's face it. Arming our citizens won't make a difference to the numbers our government kill. Oh hang on a mo. Maybe it will with all the cop killings that will occur. The numbers will go up! Armed population equals a free society disarmed population equals slavery. I do believe the British are just as free a population as the U.S. . Likely more so given we're not having to be conscious and therefore cautious of being confronted by armed police. At least here one can still tell a police person to f**k off without fear of being shot dead. Likewise a police person is not going to shoot me because he thinks I'm going for my gun. I like my freedom when I don't have to worry about British cops carrying guns with a right to use deadly force if need be. I also like that I can argue my point with someone in a peaceable manner without fear of not knowing if they're going to pull a gun on me for doing so. News Flash the rest of us do not suffer from the liberal mental instability. No need for the news flash. Do you really believe those opposed to guns are mentally unstable? Such a statement suggests you're the one with mental health issues. Unlike liberals we are rational effective and when pushed to combat very deadly not because we are up set but because its a rational logical decision. That would be the attitude of someone a supporter of guns and a person who believes using them is the answer to everything then. Would this decision when pushed to combat be a rational logical one after all other channels had been exhausted, or would you prefer to go straight to guns? Thought so. Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Do you really think it all started with mean ol' 'Merican's using drones to bomb muslims? Crack your history books open. Give me credit for Allah's sake. I don't require a history book to tell me of the pointless invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan. Nor do I need a history book to tell me Saddam was the problem when he played puppet to U.S. foreign policy right up until the point he considered trading oil in Euro's. Just one of many problems the U.S. face today seeing as they didn't get their intended job done. Nor do I need a history book to tell me Bin Laden was the man they really had to kill when his role within Al Qaeda had long since diminished to nothing but ramblings of American hatred for their wrongdoings to his kind. I mean do you actually know what the U.S. was doing meddling in Iraq and Afghanistan? No one as far as I can tell actually knows. Well apart from chasing bad guys, apparently, which turned out in the case of Bin Laden to be somewhat of a false prophets is all. He wasn't running anything out of his man cave. Not in Abbottabad, and not high in the Hindu Kush. So no I don't need a history book to tell me who's chasing who as I am living in these very times! They behead people because their religion commands them to. The qran is extremely clear on this. They're commanded to kill nonbelievers in a way that is so violent, all who see it will fear them. Through the ages I don't see a continuing theme of muslims beheading non believers en masse. What I see currently is the use of oldfashioned scare tactics by a more fanatical element, taken from their holy book possibly, as a response to modern warfare used against them. Who and how many are beheaded is not about their holy beliefs according to their good book. It's an attempt at making some listen, as Turkey did in refusing the U.S. access to fly combat missions from there, to which 48 Turkish hostages were released. It's also a show of arrogance to those they know won't listen. To suggest muslims behead in these circumstances for nothing more than a fanatical belief in the writings of the Quran is pathetically naive and completely devoid of any understanding as to what is really going on. And they hate you Brits just as much as us Americans. They hate you because you're not a muslim. The psychology of such a statement would have its roots in a person of ignorant or racist mind. Or both. I assure you my muslim friends love me, and muslims that don't know me well enough certainly don't hate me when they're doing business with me. Just last week I bumped into the Imam from one of the mosques local to me. He greets me with a warmth and respect of anyone. He is no different a person to you or I in that he is a human being with similar attributes to any other human. I'm certain he bears me no hatred whatsoever. Not a single jot. Why would he. Because he believes in Allah and teaches the quran? Yeah right. Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
LOl The Brits a help these days Hell you cant even keep the muslims from turning your teenage girls into sex slaves for Paky shop keeps Then your cowardly councils are afraid to say any thing about it Hell where are the Daddies brothers and uncles of these girls? Nation of football obsessed drunks that don't know they have lost their culture Its too late your Dimmhies Kind of ironic considering America is a cesspool of every wandering immigrant the world over for a few centuries. If there's any near enough pure white man in America you can bet Brit is in the blood. You really should have a higher opinion of yourself Ken  As for the sex slaves. Well, most here are anything but British and more likely Eastern European. But non I know of are really sex slaves. Especially not for the Pakistani gentleman who owns and runs the corner shop from 6am till 11pm every day of the week, where he lays out his considerable fruit and veg stall outside his shop window. I doubt he's time to pop down the whorehouse should he so much as enjoy the thought of any sexual encounter he's likely that knackered after a hard days work. Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
It's baptizing them with the holy fire of Justice. If that's what you call bombing and drone strikes - according to your holy book.......................... God help us all. Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
No its like having a civil right taken away for doing nothing wrong. Either way the behaviour towards losing this civil right is as I said, akin to a child deprived of its favourite toy. My point being, there's a certain irony to the hedonism a mature of mind individual reeps upon their firearms to the point if they were taken away the person then acts like a child. Rocket in England | ||
| Blake |
In America we like for everyone, especially the fairer sex and the weak and old to be able to defend themselves against thugs and rapists. The thugs and rapists don't need guns to have their way with weaker victims! The thugs and rapists often don't have guns! In the UK, this woman would be raped or murdered or both and the thug likely roaming free. http://youtu.be/43lAdgrsQyE In the UK, this young girl would be raped or murdered or both and the thug likely roaming free: http://youtu.be/VPfz7ENFUB0 In the UK, these boys would be assaulted and possibly murdered and the thug likely walking free: http://youtu.be/-HPSIajQ024 In the UK, this woman and her baby would be raped and kidnapped or murdered and the thugs free at large: http://youtu.be/cw4B_XbW7ds In America, if you invade a home, you rightly risk being shot and killed. When two strong young men wielding bats smash through my young niece's country house door, you want her to defend herself how absent her gun? When some punk with a bat breaks into my 77 year old mother's home, you figure she should defend herself how absent her gun? When my wife's Saab shreds a tire halfway between Dallas and Kilgore on interstate 20, pulls off onto the access road, and some thug trucker commences stalking her, you figure she should defend herself how absent her Glock 19? When murderous thugs commence hacking people's heads off in broad daylight in the middle of downtown, it's your best idea that people be able to defend themselves with what absent guns? Prohibiting people from being able to effectively defend their lives and others' lives is reprehensible, pure tyranny. When govt fears the people, freedom. When people fear govt, tyranny. In the UK, the paradigm is that in order to feel more safe, people accept that they cannot defend themselves against thugs, home invaders, rapists, and murderers. In America, the paradigm is that in order to be free, law abiding people's right to effective self defense is unalienable. The UK paradigm is based on a lie. The law abiding there are less safe. The country is rife with violent crime. The thugs, rapists and murderers there couldn't be more secure. The American paradigm is based upon truth. As evidenced by the above videos, violent criminals are less secure. The only place where Americans are less secure is in places where law-abiding people are stupidly prohibited from carrying guns. (Message edited by blake on September 28, 2014) | ||
| Blake |
In the UK, this mother and her two children would be raped, and murdered or kidnapped: http://myfox8.com/2013/01/10/armed-georgia-mom-sho ots-intruder-five-times/ Where people's God-given unalienable rights to defend their lives and their homes is protected, the rapists and murderers must risk being shot. Freedom isn't free. Govt won't be there in time to defend you from a home invader. Sean likes shooting guns and is not a weakling or a woman. Apparently it's difficult for him to understand that not everyone is secure in their own ability, absent a firearm, to defend themselves against violent attack by thugs, rapists, and murderers. I suspect that if Sean were to spend some time learning and training in the effective and proper lawful defensive use of firearms, he end up becoming an asset to the community, willing to use force to defend others against those who wage violent life threatening attack. But maybe not, maybe he sees violent criminals through a romantic lens, as something to be appreciated and endured in culture. Some just cannot bear confront the idea that such threats exist. I agree with him on the Muslims. I've worked closely with too many. Most just don't agree with the islamists. What I do know is history and the vile nature of such totalitarianist regimes as naziism, marxism, and yes islamism (meaning Islamist totalitarianism), not mere religion, rather brutally oppressive tyranny. See the Taliban, the mullocracy in Iran, all the islamist mass murdering groups the world over. The history is clear, when islamists gain power, the rest of the Muslim population is cowed just as Germans were cowed by the radical nazis. Most people follow and do as they are told by authorities. It's proven fact. So when Sean objects to people who are staunch defenders of freedom, equating us to children, he's just an average German following the dictates of authority. Don't be too hard on him. And never sink to the level of hateful personal attack. This is a man who's never even read the Gospel. Worldliness enslaves many, dare I say most, in the developed world. What's most important are motives, and though wildly mis-informed, egregiously mis-placed, Sean's motives are good. He doesn't want people attacked, suffering, or being killed. That said, it's usually the case that the people objecting most adamantly to others owning and carrying firearms are those who themselves feel like they deserve to be shot. Enter Diane Fienstein and all the Progressive gun-grabber politicians. (Message edited by blake on September 28, 2014) | ||
| S21125r |
Rocket seriously?? You still equate protecting civil rights to childish behavior? If ISLAM was outlawed here (or there) would you find that to be childish behavior if someone resisted? Would it be childish behavior to protest a complete government take over of your life while being incarcerated in a padded room while doing nothing wrong? For f**k sake rocket that is some seriously ignorant shit on your part and surprises the hell out of me that you would actually affirm. | ||
| Daddio |
"...Yanks are brilliant revelling in the glory of others plight. Lest they forget they did not win anything on their own and likely never will. At least not without the British helping them." " Although as far as I know, my ancestors came to North America well after the Revolution, the Forefathers fought and won back the God-given rights that were denied them by the British crown. In another vein, a small sign in a Wyoming bar: "In other States, the Constitution protects the rights of citizens to keep and bear arms. In Wyoming, the Constitution is protected by Citizens that keep and bear arms."  | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
You speak of Britain as if the place is overrun with very nasty criminals, yet the events you present of people HAVING to defend themselves in America would show it as America which requires the necessity to arm its citizens, it being the violent overrun landscape which you present as that of Britain but is actually the events happening in America. So how does that work Blake? You appear to overlook America is already riddled with guns whereas Britain is not. Guns or not, it's highly unlikely my niece's home would be called upon by two bat wielding thugs who mean to rob her and do her harm. She has CCTV and an alarm system which calls in real time to an operator who will alert the cops whilst listening in to any sound from within her home, and talking back if necessary. Of course, the idea as a first line defense is the system provides as a deterrent - which plentiful systems the nation over do a great job of warning off would be attackers and robbers before they even consider my niece's home. It's highly unlikely my 75 year old mother would have her house entered by a bat wielding thug also. It's not a crime Britain is suffering from. I couldn't say why with any certainty but it's likely the thugs here know taking a bat to a 75 year old woman in her home would render them a life sentence should they do more than approach her enough if she had a gun she would shoot them. It's likely the criminals here that rob old ladies know they don't need bats or guns to do so, and they'd likely tie their victim up and leave when their robbing is done. Of course, there are exceptions as I am aware crimes like you describe against old ladies do happen, but when they do the public are outraged enough the perpetrators have no place to hide. Not even their loved ones would protect them from prosecution in most cases. Crimes such as these are a real no no here. Baddies for the majority know this. Maybe British crim's have more of a conscience than American crim's eh Blake. I really couldn't say. Nevertheless there exists a deterrent present amongst most of the criminal element against such crimes. I could say with almost absolute certainty, if my wife, or any woman for that matter, had a tyre shred on their Saab somewhere between the wilds of Yorkshire and Northumberland along a bleak moorland road, it's more likely a passing trucker or any motorist would stop and change the wheel for a woman rather than believe how lucky they were to be presented in such a quiet place they'd found their next female prey to stalk. As for the hacking off of peoples heads in the middle of town, the odds of such an event would be akin to someone not just winning the national lottery, but more the Euromillions where the odds of winning are higher still. Blake this is 21st century Britain. It's not some barbaric land time forgot you know. To suggest tyranny for a nation that is likely one of the safest in the world to live in is absolutely ridiculous. You really should get out more and stop reading such drivel wherever you are finding it. Take it from me mate. Britain is an incredibly safe place. Strange how I'm told by many here how safe America is - providing you stay away from the haunts of gangs or deprived of law areas. Now about home defense. There are a number of ways one protects themselves from the crim's you describe. But the first line of defense is our system of law and order. Because it works relatively well there is not a desire for crim's to enter peoples homes to do them harm. There's another line of defense based more on logistics than would appear to make any sense at all at a cursory glance. But the reality is we are a nation of people pretty much living on top of one another. We look out for our neighbours. Not because we so much as like them. We're just nosey by nature and call the cops at the whif of a crime. Perhaps because we think we could have been the target, which usually amounts to that of a petty burglary. Not to take anything away from the hardship and heartache such can cause. Burglary in itself; petty burglary at that, does not warrant the legal use of a gun to defend against such. If it were so, the courts would be imposing much more severe sentences upon burglars if they viewed the crime worthy of burglars being shot dead when caught in the act. As part of a crime fighting network, Britain, nowhere being more than about 65 miles from the sea, is covered by a network of CCTV cameras and vehicle number plate recognition cameras. The ability to trace the movements of vehicles has proven a most effective tool in the battle against crime. Our vehicle registration system, drivers insurance, road tax, etc, has also proven to be an effective way of hindering vehicle movement for criminal purposes and for keeping an eye on known criminals movements than the authorities could have ever imagined just a few years ago. A vehicle used by criminals gives a good chance of preventing leads, even should a vehicle be a stolen one. It's by no means a perfect catch criminals system, but the seemingly constant advancement of technology associated to vehicle use is having a positive effect on fighting crime. I could go on, but then I'd not be able to stop given the amount of effort put into policing Britain. What appears to be the case here though is police are fighting serious premeditated crime positively with strong results which send out a deterrent to many would be hardliners. It's this and the state of the art technologies used in preventing and fighting crime that entitles our police not to be armed to a man. I'm sure if it were as you say, a tyrannical state, every cop would be armed to the teeth. Britain if anyone is interested is a stunningly beautiful country. Not just for its landscape and vistas. But for its eclectic mix of people, who will not mug, rob, rape, or murder you, should you wish to visit. Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Sean likes shooting guns and is not a weakling or a woman. Apparently it's difficult for him to understand that not everyone is secure in their own ability, absent a firearm, to defend themselves against violent attack by thugs, rapists, and murderers. I suspect that if Sean were to spend some time learning and training in the effective and proper lawful defensive use of firearms, he end up becoming an asset to the community, willing to use force to defend others against those who wage violent life threatening attack. It sounds like you're attempting to brainwash me Blake. But here's a thing. You know me as a friend of old. You know from meeting me, and our many phone calls, what sort of person I am. It's unfair that you present a picture of me which is untrue yet humorous enough you should fall short of actually insulting me. But Blake, I can read between your lines and I know you love me despite your principled stance of which you can't allow yourself to back down from since our disagreement. Thus it's highly unlikely you would praise me without adding the humorous attempt at insult for fear of you being found out. Don't worry. I won't hold it against you and I'd never mess with Texas But maybe not, maybe he sees violent criminals through a romantic lens, as something to be appreciated and endured in culture. Why when I abhor violence would I see such? I agree with him on the Muslims. I've worked closely with too many. Most just don't agree with the islamists. What I do know is history and the vile nature of such totalitarianist regimes as naziism, marxism, and yes islamism (meaning Islamist totalitarianism), not mere religion, rather brutally oppressive tyranny. See the Taliban, the mullocracy in Iran, all the islamist mass murdering groups the world over. The history is clear, when islamists gain power, the rest of the Muslim population is cowed just as Germans were cowed by the radical nazis. Most people follow and do as they are told by authorities. It's proven fact. I wouldn't necessarily disagree with that. So when Sean objects to people who are staunch defenders of freedom, equating us to children, he's just an average German following the dictates of authority. I'm a huge advocate for freedom; and that is not what I said either. I made the observation that gun ownership appears to be taken seriously by those who own guns in a more than casual manner. There is if you will what seems like an incredible degree of maturity to the hobby of guns, which is why I humour myself seeing the irony of 'serious' gun owners behaving like children when defending their presence in a civilised society when threatened with the prospect of having a civil right to have them taken away. Bunch of cry babies from where I'm sitting! This is a man who's never even read the Gospel. Your memory is good but your belief not entirely correct. I have never read start to finish is all. I've read as much as we were forced to at school, and some since I left school of my own choosing. Not that any of it made me a better person. You being born of a minister does not give you a right to judge someone (wrongly) because they don't share your belief in faith or have not read your good book as earnestly as you have. I don't happen to share your religious conviction is all. Worldliness enslaves many, dare I say most, in the developed world. What's most important are motives, and though wildly mis-informed, egregiously mis-placed, Sean's motives are good. He doesn't want people attacked, suffering, or being killed. Who would, but just because I arrive at the same place as a normal individual, us sharing in the belief we don't want people attacked, suffering, or killed, does not mean I do so egregiously. I could just as easily state there is an egregiousness toward the motives of arming citizens with guns for their personal defense. Not least of all I'm sure there are many who would love to put it to the test so they can say they shot themselves a baddy. That said, it's usually the case that the people objecting most adamantly to others owning and carrying firearms are those who themselves feel like they deserve to be shot. So I should be shot for not wanting my country have its police to a man, and its citizens, (the right to) bear arms? Consider I couldn't give a stuff what you do in America and never have since my contribution to this topic. I've done nothing more than form an opinion, sometimes based on a part of the failed side of the model America presents, and offered reason why Britain doesn't need its citizens armed. But you would think my opinions toward the country I live in is me trying to impose my beliefs upon a country I don't live in when listening to much of the crap spouted at me. I am not your nemesis. I don't care if you have guns. Your society is blighted by them and blighted for the need of them. It's ages old and will likely never change. Well, I suppose it could if you don't stop shooting one another. You might just lose your right to bear arms. After all, I'm not wrong in stating around half of Americans are against the keeping of guns. In the words of Sgt. Phil Esterhaus "be careful out there" Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Rocket seriously?? You still equate protecting civil rights to childish behavior? That's your interpretation. I was merely making light of the seriousness shown of gun ownership and the crying like babies at the threat of having them taken away. The irony not lost on me. If ISLAM was outlawed here (or there) would you find that to be childish behavior if someone resisted? Your example is in no way comparable to what I said and meant. Would it be childish behavior to protest a complete government take over of your life while being incarcerated in a padded room while doing nothing wrong? No it would be all grown up of me to fight such a system and my undeserved incarceration by bearing arms and shooting the shit out of my captors. For f**k sake rocket that is some seriously ignorant shit on your part and surprises the hell out of me that you would actually affirm. That would be because you read it wrong and completely missed the irony I made mention of. But hey if the shoe fits..... Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Although as far as I know, my ancestors came to North America well after the Revolution, the Forefathers fought and won back the God-given rights that were denied them by the British crown. They did, but then you can't expect to have America's god given rights rule other nations. Can you? Rocket in England | ||
| Aesquire |
behaving like children when defending their presence in a civilised society when threatened with the prospect of having a civil right to have them taken away. Yeah, we do get cranky when rich men with armed guards tell us they are going to steal our property. Amazing someone who shows flashes of sense would be so anti-freedom and support the worst exploitive criminals. Like Hamas. Why don't you advocate taking away their guns. Maybe take away the unguided rockets they hide in UN schools? The schools they don't build because the leaders steal the aid money given to them by kind hearted suckers? (Message edited by aesquire on September 28, 2014) | ||
| Torquehd |
Gun control has made the Uk the most violent nation in the world. I thought violence in the UK was the fault of the drunken Irish. I like her version better than the original. Blake, stop using facts and history to support your opinion. It's not fair to those who use feelings. | ||
| Kenm123t |
Once again proving my point that the UK subjects are barbarians living in a Prison and like it! Hmm I guess you have to ask to head off to the loo lol The result of centuries of service to their betters. | ||
| Torquehd |
UK subjects are barbarians living in a Prison and like it! The majority of the developed world can thank England for it's great contributions to the world. While there are things I don't like about England, I can say that virtually the entire world is in debt to the UK for the foundations of their societies. Just imagine if the church hadn't shaken the foundation of the Islamic state in Palestine. Imagine if India hadn't been a colony. Just imagine if America was a colony of some other random country (pick whichever you please), instead of England. Imagine if Churchill hadn't gotten involved in fighting the Axis powers. And imagine if we didn't have the support of the Brits in Afghanistan over the last decade. America's roots are heavily influenced by England. But... the peasants won. And we're better for it. And now, the world is better for it. America and England work side by side to make the world a better place. And more than a few people groups, like ungrateful children, hate both of us for bringing a better quality of life to them. Even though many of them likely owe their existence to the works accomplished by the US and England. I don't know what the point of this rambling is... something about how rocket isn't our enemy, and if England ever gets attacked, the US will jump in and help out. With our guns. | ||
| Torquehd |
And by the way, rocket, Real muslims, who actually follow the qran, hate those westernized muslims that you deal with on a daily basis. The ones you deal with are not following the qran. And looking through history, I count time and time again when muslims murder en masse for the purpose of establishing or enlarging the islamic state. We're seeing it happen time now. They're using guns for war, and beheadings for the purpose of doing exactly what the qran tells them to. they're trying to use fear tactics to accomplish their goal, which is unhindered conquest of the middle east. And after that, they will have new lands to lust after. religion and government are the same in islam. Just one of many problems the U.S. face today seeing as they didn't get their intended job done. Yes, both America and England have failed to successfully stop the islamic empire from continuing to murder and take over new lands in the name of allah. | ||
| Sifo |
I have to admit, I just can't read Rocket's ignorant drivel any more. He seems to revel in his ignorance. Can someone just let me know if he feels the need to threaten my life again. It's pretty damn stupid threatening to kill someone on the internet. Looks like the beheading in OK was indeed intended as Islamic terrorism. Of course out pathetic administration calls it work place violence. On a good note, fall colors are starting to show themselves in the country of Wisconsin.  | ||
| Blake |
Sean, You make no logical sense and are woefully ignorant of the facts. Every year, roughly 85,000 women in Britain are raped. Violent crime there is much more prevalent than in America. It's a tragedy they are prohibited from effectively defending themselves. In America at least 250,000 crimes and ten as many as 2.5 million crimes are thwarted through lawful use of a firearm by private citizens.  The rate in America is around 400 per 100,000.
Americans don't arm themselves because, as you bizarrely imagine, they think it's likely that they'll be a target of violence. They do so because it's possible. It's the very same reasoning that compels people to wear seat belts and motorcycle safety gear, to defend against the unlikely but extremely life threatening, death or severe injury. All the cases of armed self defense that I listed above could just as easily have occurred in Britain, if people there were free to so defend themselves. Instead they are forced to become victims. Like the people who've recently had their heads hacked off in London by macheté wielding murderers. Truckers in America are just as likely to be helpful as in Britain. But just like in Britain, some are not. Evil exists. Honest people recognize that. Those who cannot, bury their head in the sand. If it's just you who suffers as a result, fine, that's your free choice. If you handicap others and prevent them from effectively defending themselves, then we have tyranny. Wise up. | ||
| Blake |
Tom, That was British sarcasm, not an actual threat. If I thought otherwise, he'd be banned. Thing is that we must rise above. No hateful personal insults are acceptable. Sticking to the issues is best. | ||
| Blake |
I just want to know a simple answer Sean. For the cases of lawful self defense I posted above, do you contend that the defenders would have been better off without a firearm? Yes, or no? "Not likely", which also means "possible" is a very foolish bet when the stakes are ultimate and the solution is so simple. I'm going shooting. |
