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Redbuelljunkie
Posted on Tuesday, September 16, 2014 - 05:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.cycletrader.com/listing/2007-Buell-XBRR -106977114
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Preybird1
Posted on Tuesday, September 16, 2014 - 05:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Nice find. Love that machine.....can I test it out?
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46champ
Posted on Tuesday, September 16, 2014 - 08:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wonder what they want for it?
Does anyone still race one on the local level or run one on track days?
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Hybridmomentspass
Posted on Tuesday, September 16, 2014 - 08:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

thats a local dealer to me
a few years back they said "you'd be surprised by how little we'll take for it"

"well, still more than I have right now, Im sure"
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Torquehd
Posted on Tuesday, September 16, 2014 - 11:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I rode our shop's XBRR a couple times... freaking loved it. An SAE assload of torque.

I always wondered... how much does that giant teardrop on the back really help? It seems like, if it helped, they'd be running them on every race bike.
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46champ
Posted on Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - 12:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think the big tail helps some look at what Bonneville bikes run. I think from an aesthetic standpoint it leaves something to be desired and it is going to weight more than what is ran today right where you don't want weight high and to the rear of the bike.
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Court
Posted on Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - 01:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>I always wondered... how much does that giant teardrop on the back really help?

A lot.


quote:

"Unfortunately, that conflict between styling and function is
an ongoing battle. Lowdrag isn't achieved by sharped-nosed
"penetration," as many assume, but by leaving the smallest
possible hole in the air behind the bike. And that means
keeping the airflow attached to a motorcycle past the bike's
point of maximum width, allowing the air that has been
accelerated out of the way by the bike's nose to slow
back down and fill in the space behind the bike. The difficulty
in doing that is the pressure gradient along that airflow path
is from low pressure to higher, so cajoling the air to follow is
much like pushing a rope. It can be done, but it must be done
carefully and smoothly, or the air tumbles away in turbulence leaving
a big low-pressure hole hehind the bike and accordingly high drag.
And unfortunately, the shapes that work don't always match up
with styling expectations. Not surprisingly, the machines with the
LOWEST drag - the Buell RR1000 and the Suzuki HAYABUSA-
depart the farthest from those angular shapes that work best
at Mach II on supersonic fighters, and cleave closest to those
gental curves and tapers that parted the air for DC-3s some 60 years
ago, and still work well on subsonic vehicles today."
[end quote]

They also list the Hayabusa with a CdA of around 2.9 square feet
[coeffficient Cd times actual frontal area A] and
a Cd of about 0.56

The Buell RR1000 is listed with a Cd of 0.50, effective
frontal area of 2.7 square feet.
Erik Buell and company say their engineers have yet to measure
a street going machine with a lower drag coefficient than the RR1000.

There's also a lot of info about the calculations and numbers
used by bike manufacturers too. Article says that most
motorcycle companies resist quoting the drag coefficients of their
products because the numbers look so poor compared to cars.
That leads to practices such as Honda's a few years ago,
referring to CBR1000 drag properties in unspecified units and
numerical values that could not be related to anything. Not
to mention the popularity of giving out the CdA in square meters
while forgetting to mention the units because the resulting
numbers just happen to look like good automotive drag coefficients.


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Mr_grumpy
Posted on Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - 05:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Gives you somewhere to keep your sandwiches too.
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Ftd
Posted on Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - 08:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Daytona HD has one on display on the second floor of the dealership. Used to have a price tag in it...$30000.
I'll have to look at it during Biketoberfest to see if it is still there.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - 08:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Grumps is onto something, but I think it was more a home for telemetry and data acquisition bits : )
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Tq_freak
Posted on Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - 10:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The one at Douche Rossmeyers is still there, still with a retarded price tag, and about an inch of dust on it.
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Froggy
Posted on Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - 10:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've honestly wanted to put XBRR bodywork on my street bike for years now, modded for lights, and enjoy the fuel economy boost.
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Poppinsexz
Posted on Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - 10:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Lol, saw that bike when I was on the way to myrtle beach in 08.
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Redbuelljunkie
Posted on Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - 01:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I figured the tail section simply kept the rider from being thrown off the back during acceleration... it has some torque, you know.
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Malott442
Posted on Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - 03:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I called, they said they wanted to have someone make an offer.

Without throwing an offer, they said sticker on it is 31k, but they want it gone.
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46champ
Posted on Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - 04:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So Dan did you make an offer or are you worried if you make a low ball offer they may take it and then you will have to come up with the money?
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46champ
Posted on Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - 04:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That big tail is what Harley found that works in the Wixom wind tunnel in 1968 and is probably what the RR1000 is similar too. Triumph and BSA found out the same thing 2 years later in a wind tunnel in England. For drag reduction make the tail as big as you can legally get away with.
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Rick_a
Posted on Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - 05:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Most modern sport bikes are definitely striking a balance between aerodynamics and style...with style winning out to some extent.

Subsonic aero doesn't look as attractive on bikes as it does cars and planes.

I remember reading on the XBRR it was said that no tail was more aerodynamic than a poorly designed one. Seems many sport bikes these days are sporting little butts
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Torquehd
Posted on Friday, September 19, 2014 - 11:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

anyone know how the EBR models compare to the Firebolt/1125 models, as far as aerodynamics? I tried the google machine, but it doesn't know.
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