| Author | Message | ||
     Josequinones |
Sorry, I should have said: For HD, Form over Function, for Buell it was typically the opposite. In other words for HD/Indian it is more important how things look than how they work, and for Buell it was typically the opposite. | ||
| Court |
>>>>Buell wants you to SEE the front brake That's precisely correct. | ||
| Hootowl |
Why does the exhaust exit from the left side?  rumble-rumble | ||
| Crusty |
Why does the exhaust exit from the left side? so you can feel it on your ankle? | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
How ironic. Indian make a motorcycle look like it's made in China! Isn't it meant to be the other way around  Rocket in England | ||
| Malott442 |
@ Trojan. I was thinking maybe it had something to do with the crown of the road or riding on the right side of the road. Slight as it may be.... Unequal forces exist due to the single side rotor/ caliper. | ||
| Trojan |
@ Trojan. I was thinking maybe it had something to do with the crown of the road or riding on the right side of the road. Slight as it may be.... Unequal forces exist due to the single side rotor/ caliper. But then the bikes were also sold in places where we drive on the 'correct' side of the road (left) too I don't think there is any physical reason to run a single disc on either side that is a significant advantage over the other. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
not into it, maybe in person it'll look better power sounds nice, but whats the point if a person isnt attracted to it. Court - come on, quit the teasing, why is it on the right? I like where the two posters are going with the ease of service when its on the kickstand, and the shorter line, wouldnt shave too much weight off the bike, but every little bit helps, right? | ||
| Bob_thompson |
A while back when Jay Leno did an interview for Jay Leno's Garage on TV with an Indian rep. showcasing a new Indian model most of what the rep. talked about was the looks of that bike. How pleasing it was to incorporate the nostalgia look with modern technology, etc., etc. It looks likes at least from this enthusiasts view, the next bike from Indian will be a chromed out single cylinder board racer. And I believe many other bike enthusiasts will want one just to have something different from everybody else. I also have a friend who lives in Tennessee that has a new Indian cruiser and he loves the power and the handling after recently doing the Dragon on it. So they must have some very good things going on at Indian. If an Indian of any model was all I had I would certainly ride the tires off it. | ||
| Josequinones |
This bike offers VROD levels of engine specs/performance for the price of a Sportster. | ||
| Rkc00 |
Here is my Street Rod  | ||
| Hughlysses |
The first ride reports for the Scout coming out of Sturgis are universally very good; here's Cycle World's: http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/08/05/2015-indian-s cout-first-ride-motorcycle-review-photos-specifica tions/ | ||
| Strato9r |
Nice Street Rod, Michael. The only Harley I've ridden in ten years that I liked; everything about that machine felt perfect, and may fate smile on the Harley designer who made sure the bike had mid mount pegs. | ||
| Sifo |
Had lunch today with someone who got to ride this new Indian as part of the press release. She is very short (under 5 feet) so is very limited in what she can ride. She also pretty much hates the cruiser market, HD in particular. She said this bike rocked! Good power and handling. Said it looked good in person and seemed to be a high quality build. Great bike for the money. When I woke up this morning I had no idea I would get a first hand ride report on a new bike for lunch. Life is great! | ||
| Hughlysses |
Interesting report, Sifo. I think Indian has a winner on their hands. I found this pic of a cutaway engine yesterday:  Interesting how they've camouflaged the VERY tall heads to make them look like part of the cylinders. They went to a lot of trouble to get both the internals and the cosmetics right for this engine. | ||
| Sifo |
Forgot to mention that she did say that the reach to the foot controls was a stretch for her. They do offer shorter and longer reach foot controls for it, but didn't have any set up for the press. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
There is so much wrong with this bike it beggars belief the design is finding acceptance amongst a traditional die hard crowd. Not least of all it's a traditional styled bike yet it has an ugly cast frame trying hard to mimic the real thing. That would be a tubular steel frame then. Almost by way of insult this cast ugliness stems back to a central cast chassis so large in shape they've attempted to make a feature of it. If ever I saw a motorcycle of this type designed to be production efficient in terms of cost, over what the customer should really have for the actual cost (a tubular steel frame), this is the consumer being raped whilst blinded by the light. It does not stop there either. The tank design is weak, its lower line curving over the engine shape, whereas it should not dip at the front at all, but then it wouldn't hide the ugly cast frame. The fenders don't follow the radius of the wheel. A common mistake made by many who build these styles. It's just too much of a boutique design to be everything it should be. It's a bit like an expensive watch or pen trying to sell itself as a high end product when in reality it's not really that high end at all. Unlike the company name then, which no doubt it will never live up to except in the eyes of the materialistic fools who champion it for all the wrong reasons. Give me a Harley any day over this crap. Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
I just realised Jose is posting in this topic. Not seen you around in a long long time Jose. Good to hear you old friend.  Rocket in England | ||
| Crusty |
Whoa, Rocket; That ugly cast frame is aluminum, not steel, and was engineered to be functional while retaining a somewhat traditional appearance. It's lighter in weight and probably flexes less that a traditional steel tube frame. You say the tank design is weak; styling wise it's not that far from current fashion in customs. Do you think a Confederate Hellcat has a weak tank design? I agree about the style of the swoopy fenders. I don't like them either. I think that's the styling influence of Arlen Ness (I never really cared for his custom bikes much, either). To me, he's the Pierre Terblanche of the custom bike scene. As far as the customer getting raped, I don't see it. Indian (Polaris) has built a V-Rod and is selling it for the price of a Sportster. When I first looked at the Scout, I didn't like it at all; but as I looked closer, I kept finding things that drew my interest. I'm now interested enough that I plan to take one out for a Demo ride next month when the Demo tour truck comes this way. 18 years ago, I felt the same way about an upstart company that was taking Sportster engines and putting them in chassis that really handled well. It's time to ride a Scout and see for myself whether or not I'd like one. | ||
| Sifo |
I don't think the styling was intended to appeal to typical sport bike riders. They are building a bike that appeals to the cruiser market and offering them better performance with modern user modern materials and modern engineering. I see it as a win as long as it sells. Doesn't matter if I wouldn't buy one. Perhaps they need to start offering those swoopy fenders in carbon fiber? I can see a traditional paint scheme with CF pinstripes showing through. Maybe not. Who knows? | ||
| Chauly |
Hugh,I agree that it's a clever cosmetic feat. I confess that when I saw the first reports about it having a 9000 rpm redline, I had trouble reconciling the "long-stroke" look with that factoid! | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Yes Crusty that is my point. It's a cast alloy frame which takes its central point from contemporary chassis design. I see the reason behind it as moving the cruiser design towards a more contemporary approach to building this type of motorcycle. The upside is it's cost effective for both customer and manufacturer, but the downside is, it's a step away from traditional design principles and values. Call me old fashioned, but I think it would be much more appealing as a tube frame looking as it does. My issue with the tank is it's a little feminine. The Hellcat is a mean looking motorcycle - the Scout is not. Do I want a Hellcat. You bet I do. They're ace and suit my slower side of high performing bikes. Donations kindly accepted Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Perhaps they need to start offering those swoopy fenders in carbon fiber? That's not a bad idea. Why not a cruiser with a hot rod image. Rocket in England | ||
| Hughlysses |
An interesting view of the frame I found on Motorcycledaily.com's webpage:  Article here: http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2014/08/final-thoughts-on-the-new-indian-scout-unveiling-and-sturgis/ It's a follow-up to the Scout first ride article. (Message edited by Hughlysses on August 11, 2014) | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
An interesting view of the frame Exactly my point. It's like the wheel has come full circle. It's not dissimilar to the Honda C50 step-thru design of the 50's. Alloy's so cheap these days it's replaced pressed steel!  Rocket in England | ||
| Sifo |
I wonder what the service intervals for valve adjustments will be on this, or are they using hydraulic adjusters? I keep wondering why bikes aren't using hydraulic adjusters. Certainly cars are using them aren't they? I really don't know for sure. Last OHC car engine I had was built in '76. At least on the car they had a tool that would let you pop the shims out while the cam was in place. Removing cams as part of "routine" maintenance gets kind of old IMO. Seems odd to me that we haven't moved forward on that yet with just about all motorcycles. Sure, ultimate performance will require solid components, but more moderate applications? | ||
| Gregtonn |
Quote: "I keep wondering why bikes aren't using hydraulic adjusters." Weight. Hydraulic adjusters add too much weight to the valve train to be useful at the rpms most sportbikes run these days. G | ||
| Sifo |
Quote: "I keep wondering why bikes aren't using hydraulic adjusters." Weight. Hydraulic adjusters add too much weight to the valve train to be useful at the rpms most sportbikes run these days. G Like I ended with though... but more moderate applications? | ||
| Hootowl |
Frame look OK to me. The front motor support doubles as the radiator mount and shroud. Engine is obviously a stressed member. Sure looks like they could have saved some weight on that back end, though maybe they're counting on have a 300 lb rider and a 300 lb passenger. For the cruiser market, those aren't unrealistic numbers.  | ||
| Josequinones |
that frame design allows for changes for other uses for the engine. I wonder if the more standard bike to use this engine will be an Indian or a Victory. thanks for the kind words Rocket. |
