| Author | Message | ||
     Gregtonn |
So did you ever notice that nobody says second world country? ??? G | ||
| Britchri10 |
There's the old world (Europe). The new world (North America) & the third world (just about everywhere else)... | ||
| Pwnzor |
Third World, explained | ||
| Aesquire |
That's a post WW2----Korean war era explanation. Britchri10 has the traditional labeling. Until the US gave China a few Trillion dollars in upgrades, it was definitely third world. The Soviets had the military might but structurally, and economically was third world. I think the wiki article is a victim of PC BS. The divisions shown are really "free world" "Communist Imperiums/Dictatorships" and "third world" aka pawns. You can argue the semantics on that, but not the reality. Yes, technically N. Korea is no longer Communist. They went to straight cult of personality. And the Soviet Union is dead, but there is some dispute over the actual working of the current Russian Empire. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
....don't forget the "Third Turd World" | ||
| Ourdee |
Wiki strikes me as a way to re-write history. | ||
| Aesquire |
You have to understand. Wiki is not an encyclopedia. It is a blog. One that anyone can edit. On certain subjects....politician's bios for example it changes all the time. (Message edited by aesquire on September 07, 2014) | ||
| Reepicheep |
That's true, but I wouldn't assume history books are that much different. Similar levels of bias, perhaps different directions, but better writing (which means nicer lipstick on the pig). | ||
| Aesquire |
The Victor writes the history......sure. But your history book can't be rewritten to erase history. Wiki does that all the time. | ||
| Britchri10 |
Waterloo, 1815. British History: Wellington won it. German History: Blucher won it. French History: Napoleon lost it. Same result - defeat of the French. different summations depending on Nationality. Is this what you mean Reepicheep? Chris C | ||
| Britchri10 |
Also: I took a history class as part of my Degree course here in the US. I was shocked to find out that the USA won the War of 1812! That's not the way I was taught it at school in England. Chris C | ||
| Etennuly |
But your history book can't be rewritten to erase history. This is why College books are new every year, or every semester even. High school books have to be replaced every time something in them becomes incorrect or not currently PC. History is the un-hittable moving target. What you see and hear, or record on video even, isn't necessarily true. Everyone has a different view point so everyone writes their own take on events. Had a psych professor do the simplest thing for an in class essay years ago. He set a softball size rock on his desk and asked for a five hundred word description of the 'object' that he placed on his desk. We could not move from our seats or examine other than what we saw from there. He read back several of them. It was amazing how different the description from different individuals of a simple stationary rock could be. His trick was that one end was embedded with fools gold that could only be seen by about half of the class, and the other end looked like it had a chunk of coal embedded in it. Those of us in or near the middle had a lot more to write about. Historic events seem to be described in the same ways. | ||
| Crusty |
Ever see the Japanese movie Rashomon? Just remember that we're living in Orwell's world of Doublespeak. Good means bad; friend means enemy; yes means no. etc. | ||
| Reepicheep |
I'm reading an interesting book now on the US civil rights movement in the US, one written from a really different perspective. I'm learning a lot, and see a lot of my own naivete and biases exposed. I also see significant biases and naivete of the author exposed. He is published, I won't be, and that's fine. But the book isn't unbiased (nor would my book be if I wrote one). The level of violence and oppression of blacks in the history of the US was much more significant and much more deeply entrenched in the government than I previously recognized. It helps me understand why people are so touchy about the topic (even if it doesn't make them right in their responses). | ||
| Court |
>>>>I'm learning a lot, and see a lot of my own naivete and biases exposed. Ditto. I grew up in the "middle of the action" and recently had the chance to speak, along with Michelle Obama, and deliver the Commencement Address at Topeka High School on the 60th Anniversary of the Brown v. Topeka Supreme Court Decision. I flew into Topeka a couple hours before I addressed the 10,000 folks and decided to spend the afternoon at the historic Monroe school where things started. I was literally in tears and had to sit and compose myself prior to taking the stage. I, as some of you know, have some history having been shot 3 times with a 12g a shotgun in what remains one of the largest drive by shootings in the USA. I did my time in the hospital, hidden away, threatened and with the Chief's Special stuck in my mouth and the hammer pulled back. I thought I had a feel for things. I was clueless. Not until I spent the time at Monroe and began to read history did I start to acquire a glimpse for man's inhumanity to his fellow man. I'd dismissed things as pretty much different drinking fountains and doors . . . Topeka High, during my parents time, had the "Ramblers" . . the name given to the black sports teams. I won't go into detail here but vowed to learn more. I bought all the books I could on the subject including all the legal papers filed in the case. There were, as some of you may know, 4 states that filed. They were South Carolina, Virginia and Delaware (filed in Washington, D.C.) and the cases were consolidated under the Brown filing, frankly, because it was felt the Kansas filing would appear "less Southern", Anyway . . . . we have a lot to learn and a long way to go. If you're ever interested in reading the history or legal filings . . I've got a pretty good library.         | ||
| Reepicheep |
This Nonviolent Stuff'll Get You Killed: How Guns Made the Civil Rights Movement Possible [Kindle Edition] Charles E. Cobb Jr. (Author) http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IHGVQNY/ref=oh _aui_d_detailpage_o00_?ie=UTF8&psc=1 I mainly recommend it at this point based on how ignorant I have been of some of the stuff that really went down in the US regarding abuses of the rule of law regarding minorities. |
