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     Aesquire |
But no I did not Wiki the Nazi connection to Saddam's tribe. But let's be fair eh. The way it was written here seemed to imply the Nazis most would be familiar with. That would be the nasty lot from WW2 then. yes, those Nazis. Then the Soviets that took half of Europe. BTW I'm certainly ready to believe that McCain is being used as a plausible deniability drone by the current US regime. Of COURSE he meets with Nazis or whoever you say. We Know Obama is on the wrong side. The only question is if Vladimir is giving him orders or just exploiting his idiocy. Super Israel Empire...  Illuminati Ancient Aliens? | ||
| Pwnzor |
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| Rocket_in_uk |
Well are these your beliefs or are you calling yourself a bigot for not believing this stuff? You can't have it both ways. I've made it very clear from the start what my beliefs are in this topic. The U.S. administration is manipulating Ukraine for its own purpose. What more do you need to know? Rocket in England | ||
| Hootowl |
The US administration is spinning the situation in Ukraine for its own purpose. As it does with everything. However, I don't see how it has any control over what's going on there. Obama has zero influence on world affairs. He's the weakest, most irrelevant president we've had in decades. | ||
| Fb1 |
Obama has zero influence on world affairs. 0bama doesn't, but the people pulling his strings do. He's the weakest, most irrelevant president we've had I'm no Putin fanboy, but at least with him you know what you've got; he's not pretending to be anything other than what he is. 0bama, on the other hand, IS pretending to be something other than he actually is, aided and abetted by the most spineless, corrupt media imaginable. Putin and 0bama are not mutual enemies; their long-term goals are actually quite similar. | ||
| Aesquire |
The U.S. administration is manipulating Ukraine for its own purpose. Ok, I suppose so Joe Biden's son get's paid? http://time.com/2964493/ukraine-joe-biden-son-hunter-burisma/ I'm willing to believe, that the whole mess is the fault of the Corruption of this regime and invite Vladimir to nerve gas Washington D.C. ( I'm still hoping to save the Smithsonian ) Please wait until Obama's vacation is over and Congress is back in session. I still don't know if Vladimir ordered Obama to set up the invasion of Ukraine by Russian troops, or just took advantage of his incompetence. Looks like Germany has decided it has to step up and be the adult. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-27/merkel-slams-us-hegemony-america-cant-solve-all-worlds-problems-anymore Anyone want to start a pool on the date Germany "is forced to protect German speaking peoples in the Sudetenland" ???? If you follow the news From Iraq we keep getting tweets like "hashtag we are all being murdered and they are raping our daughters" "hashtag they told all the Christians to leave or die" "hashtag Obama has abandoned us" "hashtag I'm converting and they only want my daughter for a tax she's 12" I left out the nasty ones.  | ||
| Sifo |
I've made it very clear from the start what my beliefs are in this topic. The U.S. administration is manipulating Ukraine for its own purpose. What more do you need to know? Well you keep posting stuff then saying you never claimed to believe what you just posted. Whats the point? You claim that those who refuse to believe what you post are bigots and closed minded, then put yourself right in that category.  | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Well you keep posting stuff then saying you never claimed to believe what you just posted. No, that is a play on words. I might post stuff that's relevant to the topic is all. Whether I believe it or not may well be irrelevant to the subject matter. Whats the point? Well, I suppose if we are discussing the subject matter, the discussion and the points raised in it are the point. A greater point would be how we see things and what they mean to us and to those contributing here. You claim that those who refuse to believe what you post are bigots and closed minded, then put yourself right in that category. No, what I sometimes HAVE to do is fend off the personal criticisms for posting material which is credited by others here as my beliefs when it is not necessarily so. Often I post information, and my opinion, as to how things look standing in others shoes. There seems to be a constant lack of acceptance by several here for anyone else's opinions with respect to such views. That's the bigotry right there. I don't see how me having an open mind, and showing information as seen through the eyes of others makes me the bigot. As an example, millions of people around the world have come out in protest against Israel for its attacks on Gaza. Here not one of you usual suspects has had the gall to stand up and admit Israel has gone too far in its killing. Instead Israel has been painted as a beacon of shining light without so much as a finger of blame being waved at her. And of course, those Palestinian kids massacred by Israeli rockets, well that's the fault of Hamas making Israel fire them. What would work better for peace is Israel opening up the supply lines and access to the sea so as Palestinians are not starved and deprived prisoners in their OWN LAND. Of course, no one here would see this as anything but Hamas propaganda and an excuse for Hamas to build more sophisticated weapons to rain down on Israel. Well, best I say it for you before it's rammed down my throat I'm a Hamas sympathiser and a Jew hater. Rocket in England | ||
| Hootowl |
Is Israel firing rockets? News to me. | ||
| Aesquire |
Sure Israel is firing rockets, ( unless there's another cease fore ) from helicopters and jets. You know the difference between freedom fighters and and terrorists? I can give you a simple and effective definition. Hamas is a terrorist group. Thieves, murderers, and all around bad guys. And that's just with their own. They lie about their "just cause" and pretty much everything else... I support their destruction to stop them from murdering more. If England won't do it, and We won't do it, I guess it's up to the locals. So.... is this Ukraine thing all about Joe Biden's son? Or is it really George Soros taking down the Dollar for fun and profit? Or Euro? | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Hamas is a terrorist group. I support their destruction to stop them from murdering more. So just to be clear..... You support Israel killing children. Yes or no? Rocket in England (Message edited by rocket_in_uk on August 28, 2014) | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
So.... is this Ukraine thing all about Joe Biden's son? Or is it really George Soros taking down the Dollar for fun and profit? Or Euro? No it's America's imperialistic intentions to be the greatest power in the world. A world where they have great control over natural resources and the ability to hold back other expanding nations and peoples who would take some if not all control of similar should they be able. Ukraine coming West presents an ability to form an iron curtain from the Balkans to Syria across the Black Sea. More complete when Israel expands north through Syria, west into Egypt, at least as far as the Suez. Doesn't take a genius to look at a map and see the long term future. Rocket in England | ||
| Sifo |
There seems to be a constant lack of acceptance by several here for anyone else's opinions with respect to such views. That's the bigotry right there. Rocket, you describe exactly what you do. BIGOT! | ||
| Hootowl |
"You support Israel killing children. Yes or no?" That's the kind of question someone asks a politician to trap them into giving an answer that can be taken out of context and used against them later. I support Israel defending themselves, which includes killing terrorists and destroying their stockpiles of weapons and infiltration tunnels. (Built with construction materials Israel let through the blockade in order to let the Palestinians build houses, schools, and hospitals. Guess we know where their priorities are.) That Hamas chooses to put those tunnels near schools, hospitals, and mosques, and force children and other civilians to guard them with their lives is the fault of Hamas, not Israel, and those deaths are on Hamas and the Palestinians who've elected them to power. I know that you know this. Which makes your question even more ridiculous. But I'll continue to answer, not with a simple yes or no, it isn't that kind of question, but with a bit of explanation. I support Israel killing terrorists and terrorist supporters while doing everything reasonable to protect the civilian population, as they have, are, and will continue to do. The moment they start intentionally targeting civilians for the sake of killing civilians, as Hamas etc. do, they will lose my support, and probably the support of most other people. But that hasn't happened yet, despite your protestations to the contrary. | ||
| Hootowl |
"from helicopters and jets." Duh. I stand corrected. | ||
| Hootowl |
Although, probably not from jets. Those typically fire missiles. | ||
| Aesquire |
Hoot.... I wasn't knocking you....just making sure you were correct so Lord Haw Haw could not. Unless we're going to do the missile....rocket argument.  If you throw it it's a missile. Rockets are rockets equal and opposite reaction. Rockets are missiles. That is by the book. Your definition is rockets=unguided and missile = guided........right? Good enough. | ||
| Aesquire |
Here not one of you usual suspects has had the gall to stand up and admit Israel has gone too far in its killing. Nope, not far enough. Far too nice. I'd have Hamas hunted down in it's entirety. Hamas has killed more people in Gaza than Israel. By far. No it's America's imperialistic intentions to be the greatest power in the world. A world where they have great control over natural resources and the ability to hold back other expanding nations and peoples who would take some if not all control of similar should they be able. Bull. On SO many levels. Obama alone has made it his business to reduce America as a power. Are we aggressive, full of energy, compared to the decaying British Empire? yes. We've had to be. Britannia has lost it's place, and did it to itself after being "influenced" by evil pricks like George Bernard Shaw and the other leftists and Soviet sympathizers. Without the US.... and we'll skip WW2 which without the US would have been an Axis victory, ( and without England & Australia the US could not have helped it's allies win in as few years as it did take, and quite probably could never have beaten the Axis on our own ) Without the US, Europe would be the Soviet Union and without the US paying for the defense of the West, Europe could not have indulged itself in the Social Democracies now failing under the weight of illogic and bad math. I don't defend all actions of the US in my lifetime, and I utterly detest the foreign policy of the current illegal regime, but Imperialist? Bull. You support Israel killing children. Yes or no? No you ignorant wretch. I Support killing the evil exploiters of the Palestinian people who use children as human shields. Hamas. In case you missed them ordering their "people" to stand between themselves and the people they attack. Officially. On Video. Above. Go ahead, try to insult this Pagan by calling him a Jew again. It only shows how evil the lies that you seem to have immersed yourself in, really are. And on the Subject of Rockets.... Hamas uses mostly unguided rockets, just like Congreve developed and were used against the US in the War of 1812. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congreve_rocket or the Russian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyusha_rocket_launc her or US http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T34_Calliope UNGUIDED weapons used in war on troop concentrations but used exclusively by the terrorist groups in the region as terror weapons on civilian targets. Random death, aimed haphazardly, with women and children as the primary targets. Fact Israel is using this week GUIDED missiles ( rockets ) from planes and helicopters to attempt precision strikes against legitimate targets such as command and control and weapons caches. There have been misses. Because of the POLICY of HAMAS to hide their weapons in UN facilities, schools, hospitals, churches and apartment buildings, loss of life has been higher than anyone would prefer. EXCEPT HAMAS, who wants more death to keep power. They have said so. In Public. More complete when Israel expands north through Syria, west into Egypt, at least as far as the Suez. Can I get those drugs in the US? I'm having serious knee pain and haven't been given anything good enough to have those hallucinations. I bet I'd dream of Unicorns and rainbows..... | ||
| Hootowl |
"If you throw it it's a missile" By an archaic definition, I suppose. In today's terms, if you throw it (or fire it from a gun), it's a projectile. If it's self propelled by a rocket engine, it's a rocket, and if it's self propelled and guided, it's a missile. | ||
| Hootowl |
For example: ZUNI rocket. (http://tinyurl.com/kfrx8hj (note the part about being unguided) I had to use the URL redirect because of the parenthesis in the URL, and the way badweb creates links. Hellfire missile. Cruise missile. Exocet missile. Trident Intercontinental Ballistic Missile. Sparrow missile. Etc. | ||
| Reepicheep |
I love precision in terms! What about a dynamically controlled projectile that is not self propelled (for example a guided artillery round, or something falling from a high altitude with no other propulsion?) A guided projectile? I guess I'd be inclined to call that a missile also. | ||
| Hootowl |
I think they call them smart rounds. Still a projectile, in my book. It's just no longer on a strictly ballistic trajectory. | ||
| Sifo |
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| Sifo |
Now the US has really gone and done it! http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/29/world/europe/ukr aine-conflict.html | ||
| Sifo |
Don't believe it. It's no being covered by Rocket's news sources. They have no proof!   http://www.businessinsider.com/nato-satellite-photo-evidence-russia-lying-about-ukraine-2014-8 | ||
| Hootowl |
They don't! What, a couple of blurry photos? That's your 'evidence'? Those are cardboard cutouts placed there by America. That photo is taken from over the desert in Nevada. You guys are bigots.  | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
That's the kind of question someone asks a politician to trap them into giving an answer that can be taken out of context and used against them later. The question was asked of the author of this passage. Hamas is a terrorist group. Thieves, murderers, and all around bad guys. And that's just with their own. They lie about their "just cause" and pretty much everything else... I support their destruction to stop them from murdering more. If England won't do it, and We won't do it, I guess it's up to the locals. which sounds to me like they're saying "whatever it takes". I wanted to be clear as I'm sure the author of said passage was excusing the killing of innocent men women and children in his quest to kill those he calls terrorists. (Built with construction materials Israel let through the blockade in order to let the Palestinians build houses, schools, and hospitals. Guess we know where their priorities are.) That Hamas chooses to put those tunnels near schools, hospitals, and mosques, and force children and other civilians to guard them with their lives is the fault of Hamas, not Israel, and those deaths are on Hamas and the Palestinians who've elected them to power. About that blockade. You know, blocking an indigenous population of their rights and amenities to a good or at least reasonable quality of life. Are we getting somewhere? I know that you know this. Which makes your question even more ridiculous. DO NOT PAINT ME IN YOUR CORNER - YOU ARE AS WRONG AS YOU ARE BLINDED TO THE WRONGDOINGS OF ISRAEL The moment they start intentionally targeting civilians for the sake of killing civilians, as Hamas etc. do, they will lose my support, and They have. They haven't. They have in their millions worldwide. It has. Rocket in England | ||
| Hootowl |
Writing in large capital letters does not have any effect on the voracity of your statements. It just makes you appear angry and silly. | ||
| Hootowl |
A blockade to cut your enemy's supply lines is a perfectly legitimate tactic. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Nope, not far enough. Far too nice. I'd have Hamas hunted down in it's entirety. Including the women and children who happen to be in their way. You've made your point (excuses) quite clear despite your sentimental explanations. Go ahead, try to insult this Pagan by calling him a Jew again. Sorry, where did I do that? But seeing as you bring it up, you're about as pagan as the Marx brothers, and just as funny. Israel is using this week GUIDED missiles ( rockets ) from planes and helicopters to attempt precision strikes against legitimate targets such as command and control and weapons caches. There have been misses. Misses that don't miss schools, hospitals, markets, dwellings. Do me a favour. Wake up and smell the shit you're shoveling. I'm having serious knee pain and haven't been given anything good enough to have those hallucinations. I bet I'd dream of Unicorns and rainbows..... Time will tell, more than even your bright brain could compute. Rocket in England |
