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     Aesquire |
I'm too lazy to chop off heads manually when I have a perfectly good agricultural tool for turning them into fertilizer. Don't you know anything about business? People don't throw hay bales anymore. Rolling the hay is much faster. It takes a whole crew working hard to throw hay bales into a truck, while one guy with forks on his tractor can do the whole field in half the time. I suppose that was the reasoning behind the guillotine, too.  , East London's full of nice Muslim Islamist fella's who'd fight for their country and their beliefs I thought they were Brits? | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_UKRAINE_ WEAPONS_CROSSROADS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=D EFAULT&CTIME=2014-08-25-15-47-16 http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_UKRAINE? SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-0 8-25-15-11-59 http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-forces-clash-armoure d-convoy-crossing-russia-border-092425973.html;_yl t=AwrBEiF1XPtTRmkA_I_QtDMD Not one of your links supports Russia is supplying arms across its border. Much accusation and supposition, yet still no conclusive factual proof. Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
I thought they were Brits? For such a smart fella I'm surprised you imply British people can't be Muslim and Islamists. Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
McCain meets ISIS  Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
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| Aesquire |
Much accusation and supposition, yet still no conclusive factual proof. Well, yes. That's what you get from "the news". By all means consider the source and use cynical filters. How would you rate AP vs. RT vs. BBC? We've been over this before. I don't accuse you of lying to me by posting a news article, and that courtesy must apply to all. We may disagree on the truthfulness of a story. The biggest problem in the Ukraine is a lot of people are lying. A lot. And dying. Love the 'toon. Great sentiment. Then again, East London's full of nice Muslim Islamist fella's who'd fight for their country and their beliefs, no different from you if you had to fight for yours. I thought they were Brits? For such a smart fella I'm surprised you imply British people can't be Muslim and Islamists. British people are Muslim and Druid and FSM, Freedom of religion, Right? The Islamists ( if I understand your use of the word ) are synonymous with Jihadi? Or do you use a different definition? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism But Brits? It cannot be love of country if they leave their lovely land to go fight a foreign war for religious domination. We have had people from America going over to join the Jihadi too. Some are from foreign lands, but some are native born Citizens who have chosen to go and potentially kill their fellows Citizens. That is a crime under international law, and certainly US law. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
I don't believe I post links which are lies. You and others could call them propaganda but I've yet to see any link I've posted be shown as a blatant lie. On the other hand I have seen lots of links posted by others, you included, which are pure fabrications. That you posted three links earlier to show Russia are supplying weapons and arming anti-Kiev protesters, yet the links ACTUALLY show no such thing, somewhat misleading of you and serves little to no purpose here. Especially when the first link goes on to explain how and why 'they' might have got the reporting wrong. It does show that you're willing to post gutter press reporting though (lies) - which I believe is what you were protesting against. Interesting you make no comment on McCain's presence in the same room as the man claimed to be head of ISIS, also said to be CIA/MI5. Potentially a significant piece of information toward the whole Israel affair, yet somewhat brushed under the carpet. Even by you? Could it be that Israel are behind much of this stuff, pushing for a super state? It certainly fits......and if the shoe fits as they say...... British people are Muslim and Druid and FSM, Freedom of religion, Right? Free to support whoever or whatever they want to, just like everyone else in the free world. So let's not pick the bones out of British muslims wanting to join ISIS. It's no different than a born and bred cockney joining the British army is it? Yes, Islamist as in Islamism Rocket in England | ||
| Aesquire |
It's no different than a born and bred cockney joining the British army is it? No. Like joining the Wehrmacht. I'm sure some Brits of German decent left England to join the Nazi's, Some Americans did, and were/are considered lawbreakers. Ironically at least one got drafted into the German Army because his family was visiting the old country. This also happened to a fellow just before the US-Iraq war "Operation Desert Storm" Surrendered to US troops with the rest of his "unit" still dressed in dance shoes and his best suit. He'd been out clubbing when Saddam's minions drafted the men at the nightclub. So yes, I WILL "pick the bones" of a Brit or a Yank joining ISIS. It is Treason. They Betray their country, and all it is supposed to stand for. Freedom. Freedom of Choice. I can understand, even sympathize, when religious beliefs conflict with the responsibilities of a Citizen. A Quaker may object to military service, ( and in the US in WW2 may have become a medic ) a Hindu object to bangers and mash, that is not the same as going forth to kill your own countrymen. We, are Dar El Harb. http://atheism.about.com/od/islamicextremism/a/dar alharb.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divisions_of_the_worl d_in_Islam http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Dar_al-Harb 3 different spins/views. (Message edited by aesquire on August 26, 2014) | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
So yes, I WILL "pick the bones" of a Brit or a Yank joining ISIS. It is Treason. They Betray their country, and all it is supposed to stand for. Freedom. Freedom of Choice. But you could not know the circumstances of their Britishness.....which to some people might mean nothing more than it's a piece of paper they require to live here, whether born here or not, and their loyalties lie within ancestry (their fathers, or fathers father not born British) and not a name tag they bear from or for citizenship. I am not in a position to see treason with such little information available about any one individual. I see a migrating world, and reasons a person might swear their allegiances away from the place of their citizenship. I'm afraid in the case of ISIS and related, it's not as clear cut as we are supposed to believe. The bigger picture is an issue with deep roots in wars, religion, land, and the displacement of people and their beliefs. And not least of all, issues being manipulated (as is always the case) by 'other interested parties'. Rocket in England | ||
| Aesquire |
I'm afraid in the case of ISIS and related, it's not as clear cut as we are supposed to believe What part of Submit, Jizya, or Die are you having a hard time with? Hard to get clearer cut than that. | ||
| Aesquire |
While I am at it I should point out that the Clan of Saddam Hussein were supporters of Adolph Hitler against the Brits. Then the Soviets. Much of ISIS are also clans that supported the Nazis. The same clans that supported the Soviets. Israel is the excuse. Domination is the real cause. Submit, Convert and be servants, or Die. | ||
| Sifo |
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| Rocket_in_uk |
What part of Submit, Jizya, or Die are you having a hard time with? The part where Israel is said to be creating a super state, and ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is said to be a CIA/MI5 operative tasked with stirring up war - Israel's raison d'être then. The link again just in case you care to ignore it a third time  http://chasvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/breaking-s nowden-bombshell-isis-leader.html The picture placing Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi in the same room as John McCain. I wonder how it is they know very little about ISIS. About its structure. Who are the hierarchy and what roles they play. How ISIS conducts its military operations. Little is known how ISIS ticks. Yet the leader of this fledgling Islamic adversary to America is somehow sat in a room with a two time runner for U.S. President, and current U.S. Senator John McCain. Much of ISIS are also clans that supported the Nazis. The same clans that supported the Soviets. Given the intelligence services know very little, or at least they're not saying much publicly if they do, how would you know this to be fact? You're at it again......adding YOUR own facts. Israel is the excuse. Domination is the real cause. And the point of the Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi CIA/MI5 link? Israel is the reason. Domination is the real cause. Rocket in England | ||
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| Sifo |
Between Rockets last link to a conspiracy theory blog and his implication that McCain is in a conspiracy with the BO administration, I'm really beginning to believe that he believes none of this BS that he is pushing and is simply trying to yank everyone's chains. That just has to be the case! | ||
| Hootowl |
I tend to agree. He's willfully ignorant about a lot of things. Or he's putting us all on. The Ba'ath party was in bed with the Nazis. Historical fact. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
The Ba'ath party was in bed with the Nazis. Historical fact. Historical fact? Which Nazis would that be exactly then? Rocket in England | ||
| Sifo |
The usual suspects... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Naz i_Germany_and_the_Arab_world | ||
| Hootowl |
There's that willful ignorance again. You don't want to know the truth, and are constantly baffled by it. | ||
| Hootowl |
And I'm not referring to the wiki above. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Between Rockets last link to a conspiracy theory blog and his implication that McCain is in a conspiracy with the BO administration, I'm really beginning to believe that he believes none of this BS that he is pushing and is simply trying to yank everyone's chains. I don't believe I've expressed my belief. Just asked what one person here thought of the links content...... Which is a blog naming three different sources of information credited to Edward Snowden. What you make of the information offered is up to you but there is no denying Elliot Shimon (Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi) is in the company of John McCain, and others. The facts would appear to be the identity of the ISIS leader. If the information did come from Snowden it's likely to be factual is it not. The information would be that Elliot Shimon (Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi) is or was an agent for Western intelligence services (thus giving credence to the photograph). That it is said al-Baghdadi is or was tasked with the destruction of fanatics now known as ISIS, thus giving path to an Israeli super state, is a matter of conjecture. You might call it a conspiracy theory. That is your choice. I don't believe I offered my personal opinion on the matter. This is a fact you and others continue to get wrong here constantly. Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
There's that willful ignorance again. You don't want to know the truth, and are constantly baffled by it. And I'm not referring to the wiki above. The Ba'ath party was formed in 1947, which is why I asked of you to be more specific about YOUR historical fact as to which Nazis they were in bed with exactly. Do you actually know what you're talking about? Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
The usual suspects... They chose a side. So what? And let's be clear indeed. This from our resident Jewish expert. Let us be clear.... Most Germans were not Nazis, and Most Nazis had nothing to do with the Genocides. Rocket in England | ||
| Hootowl |
"The Ba'ath party was formed in 1947" I didnt' say, nor did I imply, that the Nazis founded the Ba'ath party. I said they were in bed with each other. All the Nazis didn't die at the end of the war. Several fled to the middle east and helped Ba'ath leadership solidify their power and create the power structure (nearly identical to the Nazi party's power structure) that kept them in power until 2003. If you're getting your info from the wiki article last edited by 'anonymous' with the warning at the top that there are issues with the article, you're probably a bit misinformed. | ||
| Hootowl |
And the'yre not MY historical facts. The truth belongs to everyone. | ||
| Aesquire |
The Baath party began with Saddam's clan. Fought for the Nazis in WW2. Switched to the Soviets, Soviet schools weapons Soviet style secret police. ..... Israeli Super State? Knights of Malta and the Vatican involved? Rocket's sources are truth, prove him wrong. Your sources are lies, prove them true. He has not expressed his opinion? Am I supposed to be "the Jewish expert"? I've never read the Torah. I have read the Koran. | ||
| Reindog |
This from our resident Jewish expert. Are you claiming an expert who is Jewish or an expert on Judaism? Get it together, bloke. I am tending to agree that Rocket is simply yanking our chains. No one could actually believe the sputum being hurled here. Good one, Rocket, for putting one over on us. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
You boys are funny. I've not read the Koran or the bible or the Jewish book mentioned. I do most of my talking off the top of my head. Obviously I read relevant books (some not all), listen to the news, read the news, research a little online. But no I did not Wiki the Nazi connection to Saddam's tribe. But let's be fair eh. The way it was written here seemed to imply the Nazis most would be familiar with. That would be the nasty lot from WW2 then. But I do love the later more detailed explanation which makes me look a thick c**t. Why didn't I know that. Oh I didn't Google like you well learned cheats Seems also Dilip Hiro made no mention of the Nazi connection in his well respected Iraq tome. Guess I'll have to Google this one and catch you boys up. Though what it has to do with conflicts of today is a little lost on me. Fortunately us Brit's on the whole are a lot less paranoid than you Yanks. Perhaps because we fought the Nazis far longer than you lot, or maybe we've just got thicker skin and don't scare easy. You know, like being scared of what I post here in case it upsets some delicate sensibilities. Well chaps, I can only post what's already out there. It's only information after all. No one is asking you to swallow. But it's nice to know your blinkered bigotry refuses time and time again to see anything contrary to your own beliefs Perhaps the source of your confusion and anger at my comments then.. What I post is not necessarily my beliefs. Whodathunkit. Carry on chaps. I've a brass neck, which clearly I need around you learned scholars. Or as we Brit's prefer. Clever bastards then. Rocket in England | ||
| Sifo |
Well are these your beliefs or are you calling yourself a bigot for not believing this stuff? You can't have it both ways. | ||
| Reindog |
Drinking four or five pints in a pub with Rocket would be most entertaining in both directions. We would have all the world's problems solved before last call. |
