Please could you list the most significant lies at the very least, just so's I can be sure I'm promoting them....
No, that's ok, you're doing fine.
Just the fact that you try and insult my by calling me a Jew explains sooooo much.
Hamas, (and the PLA) are terrorist criminal organizations that rip off the people they claim to help, violate every trust given, and base their entire existence on a series of lies. No sense bothering your little head about it, Denial is not just a river in Egypt.
I do understand your pride in the historical murderousness of the British Empire, but really, that history of conquest is so placid in comparison with Soviet rule. I do give you points for the genocide, there's a reason some of my ancestors fled Brit rule. ( or in one case was sentenced to be drawn & quartered )
But no idea exists in isolation.
Woodrow Wilson, long dead President of the US was credited by Goebbels as the inspiration for the Big Lie technique, and George Bernard Shaw, famous Brit play write, gets full credit for proposing not just the gas chambers, but also the playing of classical music as the undesirables were sent to their deaths...As was done when Himmler's Final Solution got rolling and did a real number on the Rom, Unionists, and Gays. Hard to beat the Brits for class, I have to admit.
Does your Jewish faith allow for an unbiased opinion,
Knock it off, Rocket. Substitute "Jewish faith" with "Black race". You can do better, Rocket. Sickening and I will not allow this defamation to continue much longer. You are fully capable of debating without resorting to racist insults.
I find it laughable I'm the bigot here when MILLIONS of people around the world, including PM's, heads of state, high ranking politicians, United Nations, Ban Ki-moon, royals, celebrities, all walks of life, have condemned Israel recently.
I've NEVER taken a side, or expressed support for either. There are some here who clearly are supporting a side because of their faith and religion, thus they COULD NOT be commenting without BIAS. This is BIGOTRY!
Is it the water? Warm beer? ( that's an American joke, Brit beer is brewed to be drunk at room temperature. Budweiser is brewed to be drank cold. Warm Bud tastes like you've already used it )
What the article fails to mention is as a Convert to Islam you are, by law, second class. It also doesn't mention the dead and raped ( raped as a matter of POLICY & LAW ) that led to this small number of people bowing in submission to the God of their Conquerors.
The video is propaganda, mostly lies, and will be believed by the usual Useful.
Speaking of Useful people, Oliver Stone is, as usual, wrong in the usual leftist lie way.
Future History? "WW-4..... began with the closing of all Moscow McDonalds leading to violent revolution and the "automatic" nuclear bombing of all cities in Russia and Eurasia over 25,000 population by a previously unknown Soviet era doomsday computer system." The Emergence of Brazil as the worlds superpower came when Barack Obama, last president of the United States, bereft of instruction from his secret KGB masters, played Golf continuously for the last 2 years of his regime. When asked why he was allowed to do so the House Majority Leader said "while he was on vacation he wasn't making things worse, and we forgot how to actually have a working government once Congress's power had been removed by executive order, No one wanted to get blamed, and we all were trying to get on "Dancing with the Stars"."
( Actually that's close to the best scenario I see... )
Why should it be a surprise to you or anyone British Muslims are fighting for an Islamic State?
Stands to good reason when they've so long been targeted and oppressed by Western aggression and control (wars no less) they're gonna fight back.
Given many Muslims are British by way of immigration over several generations; and it being fairly easy to journey to wherever from Britain, it's hardly surprising there are some British Muslims wanting to fight for their beliefs when it's not difficult for them to get to where they need to be to do so.
Why is Stone wrong? Or is it you never are? He makes a damn good case and one that's commonly believed and understood, certainly amongst many British people.
As for Putin - it's obvious Russia will make their point to the West with equally as tough measures. Why wouldn't he / they? I'm surprised it's not happened sooner. But then Putin, ever the great diplomat, has shown remarkable restraint thus far. More so given the constant accusations launched at him and Russia. Like the military invasion of Ukraine just last week, which turned out to be an aid convoy. Funny how some here have crawled back into the woodwork on that one.
You got me....... [unless yer gonna tell me they were fighting against evil in a world wide war] - - - - which then would seem contrary to your point. No, I must have missed something. Do enlighten me as I am a bit thick and the weekend approaches.
I'd have thought that were obvious with the bodies of innocents, usually CHILDREN and women, piling up in Gaza.
Ask yourself how the children got there.
You'll come back with some flippant answer about it being their home, yada yada yada...
This conflict didn't start yesterday, and no, they probably can't leave.
Again, ask yourself why they can't leave.
Ask yourself what all those reinforced tunnels are for, you know... the ones coming from the mosques and schools and "daycare centers", leading into Israel.
Check your Russian news sources, maybe they have the truth you're looking for.
The number of suicide bombings carried out by Israelis = 0.
The number of suicide bombings carried out by anyone but Israelis = A LOT
Speaking Truth to Crap By Dan Gordon ~ August 19, 2014
I've been home from participating in Operation Protective Edge for about a week. I am in uniform no more, though I still wear my dog tags in solidarity with my brothers in arms, who, like all citizens of Israel, await the outcome of cease-fire talks in Cairo. Because we never wanted this war. It was forced upon us by Hamas. The current cease-fire is set to expire Monday at Midnight Israel time. Hamas has repeatedly rejected and/or violated each past cease-fire, so no one knows what will happen with this one.
I admit to being a bit cranky.
I don't think it's PTSD, though I've been to too many funerals, had a few too many close calls with rockets and mortars, had people with whom I'd celebrated the night before be killed the next day, seen chunks of the skull of a sixteen year old blown off by shrapnel from a mortar round I successfully dodged, only through luck and the grace of a loving G-d, who, I choose to believe, still has some use for me on the planet.
The song "Fire and Rain" is playing on the local oldies station and I think to myself, " Oh James, you Sweet Hippie Child, you haven't seen anything,"
You haven't been in a shelter during a rocket attack trying to comfort a little girl with nothing but the BS of an adult trying to comfort a child in a rocket attack, who knows better. You haven't seen people race for cover knowing they have only seven seconds before risking being blown apart. You haven't met people who've had to lock themselves in a so called safe room, while only a few hundred meters away a dozen terrorists, armed with anti tank missiles that could incinerate their home, machine guns, grenades, thousands of rounds of ammunition and hand cuffs, with which to take them prisoner and drag them through terrorist tunnels, into underground cells, are on the prowl, and they, this sweet family in a locked room, know that they are their targets. They will live or die in the next hour, depending upon the skill and bravery of eighteen and nineteen year old boys and girls, who are willing to lay down their lives, not to promulgate any occupation, nor subjugate another people, but to protect their homes and families, and on this particular day, some of those kids will do just that. They will lay down their lives to protect this family and others like them. The terrorists' secret "Divine Victory Plan" to kill, maim and take hostage, Israeli men women and children will be foiled and there will be new funerals of nineteen year olds who've given their lives to save the lives of that family huddled together behind a locked door in their home. And you think you've seen Fire and Rain, James?
...Mr. Voight recently penned an open letter to Javier Bardem and his equally talented wife, Penelope Cruz, for signing an open letter condemning Israel as a war criminal without once mentioning the name, let alone the deeds of Hamas. Mr. Voight took them to task and recounted Israel's history in a workman-like fashion, hoping to educate them, and his readers, regarding the facts leading up to the current conflict.
Mr. Voight has thus, recently been taken to task himself, by a member of Academia who has chosen to identify with the downtrodden, put-upon, maligned and much misunderstood freedom fighters of Hamas.
He has done so by taking his stand against the capitalist, pig, oppressors of the Palestinian masses, namely the dreaded Zionists.
...Finally, these mouthpieces for terrorist thugs, wrapping themselves in the robes of Academia, claim that it was Israel that started this current war, and not Hamas.
But that's quite simply a lie.
And we know it's a lie because Hamas did not start digging those thirty two terrorist attack tunnels when Israel started it's aerial campaign against them. Those tunnels were an offensive weapon which was to have handed Hamas their "shock and awe," their 911 moment that would have brought Israel to its knees. They began digging those tunnels five years ago with the cement and steel they stole from their own people, with the cement and steel that was meant to rebuild Gaza, to build schools and hospitals and prenatal clinics. And instead they used it to build terrorist attack tunnels under Israel's internationally recognized 1967 border, aimed exclusively against Israeli civilians, whom they would have murdered, maimed and taken hostage by the dozens. This was their offense, planned and executed at the time of their choosing. But following their doctrine of carrying out terrorist attacks and then claiming the mantle of victimhood, with so called academics as their mouth pieces and enablers, they had to make it look like it was a response to Israeli aggression. So they publicly ordered the kidnap murder of three Israeli schoolboys on their way home from school.
...And don't you buy the crap so-called academics are peddling, that Hamas was the duly democratically elected government of Gaza. Hamas took power, not in an election, but in a bloody coup, machine gunning their fellow Palestinians, blindfolding, binding and throwing them off of multi story buildings. They have terrorized their own people, not only Israel. Their people, indeed, live under the yoke of occupation, but not by Israel, by Hamas.
And as for the apologists and enablers of Hamas, who contribute to the misery of Palestinians and Israelis alike, while sitting in their club chairs in the faculty lounge, may I suggest that from now on they speak only through the orifice which Mr. Voight has so eloquently enlarged for them, since what they are peddling is pure, unadulterated crap.
Rocket supports Barbarians and Terrorists and despises freedom loving people. Really sad. The RT claptrap is nothing but a descendent of Pravda.
Israel is a beautiful country that supports democracy, women's rights, gay rights, and minority rights. It has built a paradise in a former desert, promotes technology, business, and education. Somehow, somewhere on a strange planet, Rocket despises ALL this and his anti Semitic insulting language bleed throughout his postings.
Hamas is a TERRORIST organization. It fires rockets indiscriminately at Israel without provocation. It shields itself using children, mosques, private homes, and schools. It uses building materials partially supplied by Israel to build tunnels rather than infrastructure. It forces slave labor to build the tunnels and then murders them so they can't talk.
Planet Rocket supports and loves these bastards. Really strange.
You haven't been in a shelter during a rocket attack trying to comfort a little girl with nothing but the BS of an adult trying to comfort a child in a rocket attack, who knows better. You haven't seen people race for cover knowing they have only seven seconds before risking being blown apart. You haven't met people who've had to lock themselves in a so called safe room, while only a few hundred meters away a dozen terrorists, armed with anti tank missiles that could incinerate their home, machine guns, grenades, thousands of rounds of ammunition and hand cuffs, with which to take them prisoner and drag them through terrorist tunnels, into underground cells, are on the prowl, and they, this sweet family in a locked room, know that they are their targets. They will live or die in the next hour, depending upon the skill and bravery of eighteen and nineteen year old boys and girls, who are willing to lay down their lives, not to promulgate any occupation, nor subjugate another people, but to protect their homes and families, and on this particular day, some of those kids will do just that. They will lay down their lives to protect this family and others like them. The terrorists' secret "Divine Victory Plan" to kill, maim and take hostage, Israeli men women and children will be foiled and there will be new funerals of nineteen year olds who've given their lives to save the lives of that family huddled together behind a locked door in their home. And you think you've seen Fire and Rain, James?
And whilst no doubt true in sentiment, it's propaganda at its finest
The reality is, as KEEPS being told by all those observing and reporting, Israel is murdering hundreds, even into the thousands this year alone if it continues, whereas Israel has suffered but a tragic handful of killings. The killing is massively disproportionate, amongst which there are many CHILDREN and women killed and being killed by Israel.
Rocket supports Barbarians and Terrorists and despises freedom loving people. Really sad. The RT claptrap is nothing but a descendent of Pravda.
Israel is a beautiful country that supports democracy, women's rights, gay rights, and minority rights. It has built a paradise in a former desert, promotes technology, business, and education. Somehow, somewhere on a strange planet, Rocket despises ALL this and his anti Semitic insulting language bleed throughout his postings.
Hamas is a TERRORIST organization. It fires rockets indiscriminately at Israel without provocation. It shields itself using children, mosques, private homes, and schools. It uses building materials partially supplied by Israel to build tunnels rather than infrastructure. It forces slave labor to build the tunnels and then murders them so they can't talk.
Planet Rocket supports and loves these bastards. Really strange.
Rocket thinks you should look at the situation through the eyes of those you clearly hate.
The killing is massively disproportionate, amongst which there are many CHILDREN and women killed and being killed by Israel.
And the reasons for this have to do with good intentions on the part of Israelis and bad intentions on the part of Palestinians. Israel has gone to great lengths to protect their people from the attacks that they have suffered for decades in this current conflict. Some years ago it was suicide bombers in cafes and on buses. They got very good at stopping these attacks and they became very ineffective. These attacks were aimed at civilians, indiscriminately BTW. With their suicide bomber attacks failing, they went back to rocket attacks. Again, these are aimed at general civilian populations. Fortunately Israel has spent a fortune on a defense that works against these attacks. That does not change the intent however, which is to kill men, women, and children alike. I will repeat, that is their INTENT.
The Palestinians OTOH are launching these rocket attacks from area populated with children. They are using them as a shield. It is their intent that when Israel responds to a rocket attack that children get killed. I will repeat, that is their INTENT.
Intent matters. It is intent that separates these two adversaries. The intent of the Palestinians, for decades now, has been to wipe Israel off the map. They have made little attempt to hide this intent. Then when Israel defends themselves, and as intended by the Palestinians, women and children are killed, you blame Israel? I find that strange. If someone ever intends to kill me, I will do my best to defend myself, and I certainly hope that the killing is, as you say, massively disproportionate. That simply means that I have successfully defended myself against those who have intended to harm me.
The killing is massively disproportionate, amongst which there are many CHILDREN and women killed and being killed by Israel.
Boy is that a disturbing quote.
First, lets compare the number of attempted killings, not the number of successful ones.
Secondly, if Israel then went out and executed a bunch of its own citizens to "balance the score", would that then somehow make them morally better? Of course not.
I wonder how long any of us commenting on this thread would allow someone to rain rockets down upon your house in an attempt to kill you and your family before saying enough is enough?
Good. That's what you want in warfare. Ideally, Israel would kill all the terrorists without losing a single soldier or civilian. That's not realistic though, considering that the terrorists are targeting the civilian population.
If Hamas lays down its weapons, not one more Palestinian civilian would die.
If Israel lays down its weapons, its people would be killed. "Driven into the Sea". "Wiped off the map".
There's the difference. Only a fool doesn't see this.
Their religion commands them to kill the Jews. They will not stop until they are victorious or dead. Israel obviously chooses the latter.
All the News That’s Fit for Hamas By David Gerstman Friday, August 22, 2014
Forbes investigative journalist exposes biased coverage of Hamas and the Gaza conflict
At his Muckraker column at Forbes, The Media Intifada: Bad Math, Ugly Truths About New York Times In Israel-Hamas War, investigative journalist Richard Behar exposes many of the problems – really scandals – with the MSM reporting on Gaza.
Though he focuses a lot on The New York Times, he focuses on other news outlets too and how, through a combination of credulousness, bias and laziness, they have become in the words of his friend, and fellow investigative journalist, Gary Weiss, “part of the Hamas war machine.”
...Behar looked at the media in general and specifically at The New York Times “because it is, without question, the most important media outlet in the world, in terms of setting the table each day for other outlets.”
Behar’s first critique of the Times is for its Gaza based reporter Fares Akram, and what he discovered when he visited Akram’s Facebook page.
quote:
His profile photo was not of himself, but of PLO leader Arafat. A second photo, still in his album, waxes poetically about Arafat in the context of “heights by great men.” But Arafat, among many things as the longtime leader of the Palestinians (the 1972 Munich Olympics massacre comes to mind), opted for the Second Intifada in 2000, rather than accept a generous peace offer from Israel. Before he died, he said on TV that dead Palestinian children are good for the cause. In 2009, following an Israeli air strike that tragically killed his father and a cousin, Akram wrote that “I am finding it hard to distinguish between what the Israelis call terrorists and the Israeli pilots and tank crews who are invading Gaza.” Akram, a Palestinian resident of Gaza, has also published more than a dozen dispatches for Al Jazeera, parallel to his Times reporting, since the war began last month.
...Behar also looked into Qatar based network Al Jazeera.
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And what of the Qatari government’s subsidiary, Al Jazeera America? I posed the matter to Steven Emerson, who has studied the network extensively. He is a longtime expert on Islamist terror who runs the Investigative Project in Terrorism (IPT), and he worked prior to that as an former investigative journalist for CNN and U.S. News and World Report.
“AJ America does very good reporting, but it was set up to provide cover as a propaganda outlet for its unabashed pro-Islamist, pro-Muslim Brotherhood, pro-Hamas owners,” says Emerson. “Qatar is the Number One financial supporter of the Brotherhood and Hamas today. Its coverage of the Israel-Hamas war has been scurrilously one-sided even though they pretend to be “evenhanded” by interviewing official Israeli spokesmen.”
Many American news organizations cite Al Jazeera and don’t care that it functions as an arm of the Qatari government. Worse plenty of American reporters have signed on to the station leading Emerson to comment, “The journalists who joined AJ America have sold their souls, I’m sure for a very good price. Some of them went over to AJ America because it perfectly suited their ideological agendas.”
...Another major focus of Behar’s throughout the article is the use of casualty statistics to paint Israel as careless if not criminal in its conduct. But Behar writes:
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The arithmetic of civilian casualties in Gaza is one of the principal media crimes in this war. It became obvious weeks ago that major Western journalists routinely swallowed the huge civilian-casualty figures dished out to them by Gaza’s Ministry of Health, a bureaucratic arm of a terrorist group that was shown to have lied about such figures in past wars. In some cases, reporters cite numbers instead from the United Nations, which gets its numbers from—surprise—the Hamas ministry, a dubious source of information, akin to relying on the Reich Health Office for German civilian-casualty statistics during World War II.
...Col. Richard Kemp [the former Commander of British Forces in Afghanistan] noted after Cast Lead that in any war civilian casualties usually exceed military casualties, but the Israel had lowest the civilian to combatant ratio he’d ever seen.
And the reasons for this have to do with good intentions on the part of Israelis and bad intentions on the part of Palestinians.
Oh that really is an outstanding fact as Israel have clearly never put a foot wrong. Where do you pedal this rubbish from?
Israel has gone to great lengths to protect their people from the attacks that they have suffered for decades in this current conflict.
Decades in this current (months only) conflict? There have been many years without conflict of course. This likely would not be reflected in this topic here.
Some years ago it was suicide bombers in cafes and on buses. They got very good at stopping these attacks and they became very ineffective. These attacks were aimed at civilians, indiscriminately BTW. With their suicide bomber attacks failing, they went back to rocket attacks. Again, these are aimed at general civilian populations.
Sadly what other targets could a force with little in the way of sophisticated weapons have? This when Israel can not help but kill civilians with their very sophisticated weapons, their targets always amongst densely populated areas.
Fortunately Israel has spent a fortune on a defense that works against these attacks. That does not change the intent however, which is to kill men, women, and children alike. I will repeat, that is their INTENT.
When a giant like Israel attacks a confined area inhabited by millions, with or without INTENT they are killing men, women and children alike. Israel's achilles heel is probably its citizens, considered to be so by Hamas and other organisations when Israel kills with or without INTENT the men, women. and children alike of their enemy.
The bigger question here is why are Israeli citizens attacked, and in that lies the argument for conflict WHICH Israel is not by a very long chalk without blame. This usually overlooked by Israel and its supporters. And not beyond imagination to give reason, when Israel restricts the Palestinian people of day to day normality. And let's not forget within Palestine harmony has existed when Jewish people have cohabited there in.
The Palestinians OTOH are launching these rocket attacks from area populated with children.
The area is densely populated it's inevitably so the population includes children.
They are using them as a shield. It is their intent that when Israel responds to a rocket attack that children get killed. I will repeat, that is their INTENT.
If true, that's one interpretation. Another would be, Israel should not be responding to rocket attacks where children knowingly will be killed, BUT if they are prepared to do so, then with INTENT it makes the heavy handed response of Israel just as devastatingly bad.
Intent matters. It is intent that separates these two adversaries.
Intent does matter. But on the contrary it's INTENT which joins them at the hip in many ways. If one adversary had no intent there'd be no conflict one would hope.
The intent of the Palestinians, for decades now, has been to wipe Israel off the map. They have made little attempt to hide this intent.
Oh come come. The same IS said of Israel - and there is much evidence to support the plight Israel has inflicted upon the Palestinian people.
Then when Israel defends themselves, and as intended by the Palestinians, women and children are killed, you blame Israel? I find that strange. If someone ever intends to kill me, I will do my best to defend myself, and I certainly hope that the killing is, as you say, massively disproportionate. That simply means that I have successfully defended myself against those who have intended to harm me.
And here in a nutshell is where you and I differ massively. Not so much as people perhaps. More so in opinion. I would look towards a peaceful and harmonic solution before I was killed, and before I took to trying to kill my adversaries. But then I was brought up in a nation without guns and that right to use them to defend myself.
First, lets compare the number of attempted killings, not the number of successful ones.
Secondly, if Israel then went out and executed a bunch of its own citizens to "balance the score", would that then somehow make them morally better? Of course not.
I don't quite understand your comment though I do recognise you speak it with a solidarity toward Israel, and as if Israel are suffering equally so to Palestine (just not the same amount of fatalities).
The moral question is also an equal one, no matter who is killing the most, or dieing the most, depending on your take. But morals won't solve the problem. They might make YOU feel better for your belief and your commentary here, but this is way past morality. If the question is who has the moral upper hand, you could not for a minute say with hand on heart Israel as you appear to suggest. I think it's fair to say there are no winners in this conflict and morals have pretty much been left behind when thinking of the 'other side'.