| Author | Message | ||
     Macbuell |
Hey, it's for your own good. Who cares what rights are taken away if it is in your best interest according to the government. | ||
| Elsinore74 |
Conclusion from the article linked above: "When the government wants to check on someone, his or her rights are essentially suspended until the person’s sanity has been forcibly validated." I can't begin to express how disturbing that statement is. What about Ms. Sutterfield's right to self-determination? Oh, I guess it would have been OK if a gun weren't involved. | ||
| Sifo |
What about Ms. Sutterfield's right to self-determination? Oh, I guess it would have been OK if a gun weren't involved. And a gun wasn't involved. At least not until Dr./patient confidentiality, and her fourth amendment rights were violated. Only then did the gun come into play, and only insomuch as to violate her first amendment rights. Then to hold her for 72 hours without charges? It's time to document a new list of tyrannies for history. The first list seems to have been forgotten. | ||
| Aesquire |
FBI stats now out. First half 2013 vs. Same 2012. Murder down 7%. Aggravated assaults down 6.6%. Robberies down 1.8%. Overall violent crime down 5.4%. This continues a 30 year trend tracking directly with firearm sales. More guns less crime. Period fracking dot. Fact. Not emotion. Don't expect the people that lie to take your rights to mention the truth. | ||
| Rick_a |
Those aren't the stats "they" want known. They want blood, murder, mass killings, and American guns in Mexico in cartel hands...all with AR-15's, of course...the gun that's fine for police but too evil and dangerous for us common folk. | ||
| Macbuell |
Except the police carry fully automatic versions, so it isn't even the same AR-15 we can get our hands on. | ||
| Ducbsa |
Per Rolling Stone, here is the definitive record of “The 5 Most Dangerous Guns in America.” http://www.blackfive.net/main/2014/07/trailer-talk -rolling-stones-dangerous-guns.html Those slackers left off cane guns, the favored piece of Chicago assassins! | ||
| Swampy |
Detroit Police Chief credits armed Detroiters with keeping crime down... http://news.yahoo.com/guess-detroit-police-chief-c redits-crime-decline-190210048.html Who woulda thunk? | ||
| Fb1 |
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| Fb1 |
Also from the VCDL:
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| Sifo |
For those that were lusting for the Remington R51... It looks bad... Remington Scrubs All Traces of R51 from Websites | ||
| Aesquire |
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/07/09/the-real-reas on-why-liberals-are-scared-of-women-with-guns/?sin glepage=true There's a REASON leftist fear women with guns. They won't be as compliant and obedient if they are not dependent on The State to defend them. There's a bunch of sexist reasons as well. A Girrrrrl Hunter? freaks them the heck out. The sight of a "little girl" with a BOW!!! next to a dead animal more than twice her size gives them apoplexy, and probably constipation. HOW FREAKING DARE SHE be more self reliant, more in tune with nature, just all in all Better than they are? The Enemy is a bunch of wimps, and cowards. They Fear You, because in the competition for mates they are less capable, incompetent, and just weaker than you are. Even if they have a smoothly shaved chest and belly with pretty gym muscles, they know, in their hearts, that when it goes to hell, you will protect the women, and they will fearfully drive away with the supplies they looted. If it doesn't go to hell, they can fake it, mostly by mocking you cave men who kill animals for fun. Like the letter to the editor where we are told to buy our meat at the Supermarket, where no animals are harmed.... There's a lot of Denial going on. The Enemy, the people who fear you having a gun, while they are too afraid to be responsible for.... anything, much less the power to defend, to kill, to save a life. Many of Those people "don't have time" to take CPR, either. The real reason is they fear responsibility. They fear other's NOT fearing responsibility. They fear looking like the wimps they are when others, plainly, are not. The above is a little harsh, but I think it's true, and it's a harsh world. But, MOST of "the Enemy" just haven't thought it through. They aren't metrosexual wimps with a Cravat and shaved body parts. ( Not knocking shaved body parts, mind you.. ) They just believe the ones that fear that real men will steal their mates. 99.9% of everything they read or see is anti-gun. Then they go see the latest Bourne movie. You can help. Take a non-shooter neighbor out to the range, or the open lands, and introduce them, responsibly, like an adult, to the fun of shooting. Teach them the 4 basic rules ( or 3 if those are the ones you learned ) Start them with a .22, don't hand them a .88 magnum to laugh at their pain. Set up close easy to hit targets, and show them how to use the sights, explain the mechanism and switches on the gun. Make it easy. Because this may be the beginning of a long life on your side, in many ways.....or a bad memory that will make them less than they could be. Treat them like adults. Especially the Children. They see when that is Real, and when it's fake. Real respect, Real responsibility, Real attitude. Kids Learn fast, and a LOT more than the visible lesson. Show them the fun, show them the responsibility, show them the freedom, that lack of fear, and being Competent, gives you. Share the Wealth in the most tangible way. Give a person a guard, and they are safe for a day. Teach a person to shoot and you free him for a lifetime. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/04/foghorn/m ac-confirms-ttags-take-on-the-remington-r51/ Bummer. It's such a handsome bit of engineering, and I think the Pederson design is not the issue. It may be as simple as this. The Original was a hand fitted bit of precision machinery. The parts were handed to a craftsman who filed, stoned, straightened, and worked the action time and time again. This was how it was done by every good manufacturer for the history of the Art. ( Beretta has been making arms since 1526. ) Military weapons, like the 1911 are built with sloppy tolerances for dirt clearance, and generations of gunsmiths have specialized in giving them the hand work to become match accurate pieces. Fairly recently, American manufacturers have been taking advantage of the precision of modern CNC machines to build into the guns the tolerances that were once only had from hand fitting. We've exported that tech to Turkey and elsewhere, and Europe has caught on too. Probably the best example of substituting better machines for hand work was USFA who made, after importing Italian parts for a while... a major upgrade to their factory and used ultra-high speed machining to produce Better than perfect replicas of the Colt 1873 SAA Single Action Army. This 19th Century design uses vast amounts of hand work to compensate for the wear of tools and looseness of machines. A substantial amount of Hand ( read Expensive ) time was spent in hand polishing the metal before finishing. The Old ways left lots of semi circular and linear machining marks. USFA used mills that spun so fast ( Million +rpm ) the usual semi-circular marks you see on a milled surface blend into one another and produce a polished surface, with no human attention, at all. Alas, they are out of business, but I'm told their best work sells high. Then we get to Remington. They've modernized a lot over the last centuries, and they can normally be counted on to make a decent bolt or pump or semi-auto arm. I haven't heard a lot of bitching about their 1911's but I don't know anyone with one. I just think they thought they were going 21st century on the R-51, but only applied 1980 to it, and 1980 wasn't enough to compensate for the lack of hand work that a less robust and sloppy design needs to make it work. Darn. Fail. And I liked it.... Bite me Mass Market Magazines. I've often thought I could apply modern machining to make a reliable, modern strong Luger. I know how, and I'm not alone, it's been done before. Nobody has been able to make a living at it, or even keep the hobby up, with that product. Pity. The Luger was a heavily hand fitted bit of watchmaking that only had 1 screw. And that held on the grips. The whole Luger assembles/disassembles like a puzzle. Lots of multi blade leaf springs ( like the 1873 SAA's ) and honed sliding surfaces. I'm certain I can make all those bits, and I know the people who can make the springs. Heck I'm a short ride from Turnbull, THEY could make them if they thought it would pay. They probably will when the prices get high enough. http://www.turnbullmfg.com/store.asp?pid=19567&cat id=19872 The Honed sliding bits seem to be the thing the R-51 lacks, and needs, since that's how it was done... As a Historian I know often says, "they did it that way for a Reason. It works." | ||
| Ulyranger |
Interesting times for the big green R. It's sad news about the R51, it looked interesting. The consolidation of production and design in AL does not bode well for Illion, also sad. When the oldest in production gun factory in America goes away, so will an entire community. Then there is the 700 trigger recall....to the tune of hundreds of thousands of guns over poor QC and applying grease where there shouldn't be (that's the official word, but one of the returned guns I witnessed had a new, different trigger installed, not cleaned and returned like stated in paperwork). I like my Remmy bolts and shottys, but going BIGGER is not always better. Just look at what they did to the Marlin reputation.... JM stamped Marlins are the new "pre-64s". On the bright side, they did create a new market for those of us with old Marlins, not that I'll part with 'em.  (Message edited by Ulyranger on July 23, 2014) | ||
| Denisea |
>>>Teach a person to shoot and you free him for a lifetime.<<<< Or even maybe save his/her life. I have a walk I like to take most days. It does cross a road that has, depending on the time of year, not much traffic. One day not so long ago I was walking this path to the point where I would be crossing the road from my path. Coming down the road was a van. The van veered off the road, blocking my access to the path across the road (and any sight of me from anyone who might be on that other side of the path.) The van had sliding doors on the sides. The driver and passenger were two men with their windows down. Intuition/training had already kicked in and I was on red alert - the vibes I was getting from them were not good. The driver asked about a certain rock restaurant. I told him there was no such restaurant but if they went X miles there was a decent place. He persisted and with the passenger getting more and more agitated and me wondering when that sliding door was going to slide open I reached down and put my hand under the loose flannel shirt I had on and put my hand on my hip, with the flannel shirt now raised over the hip, as casual as I could, which then made my .38 in my holster quite visible. The driver decided I might not be such an easy victim and drove away. No, I cannot prove they had bad intentions but I DO know if they had, I was not their victim. Just my opinion on open carry. | ||
| Ducbsa |
Denisea, why do the gun grabbers hate women protecting themselves so much? Do they want to facilitate creeps in vans? | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Liyu7e47TVA&index= 8&list=PL105A3FCA03720326 Ducbsa, It's not that they hate women, they hate free, self confident, independent women. | ||
| Hootowl |
Armed victim saves untold number of lives. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/24/pennsylvania- hospital-on-lockdown-amid-reports-shooting/ | ||
| Hootowl |
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/20/california-sc hool-district-becomes-latest-to-allow-officers-to- carry-ar-15s/ Pretty disappointed in fox. The ar15 is not a 'high powered assault rifle'. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Not unless they are getting one chambered in .308 (which probably has another name). Though I suppose it's high powered compared to a handgun. But if their goal was to communicate that, they should have said something like
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| Rick_a |
It is a small bore, intermediate caliber sporting rifle...but you'll never hear that in the media. I don't even particularly agree with the sporting rifle moniker. A semiautomatic is a semiautomatic. | ||
| Court |
Hmmmmm . . . .it's the one the United States Marine Corps spent months teaching me to be an expert with . . . . with the specific, stated, intent of killing people. I hope it was at least high powered enough for that intended purpose. I mean it's no Barrett .50 cal but I know I can hit 10 for 10 at 300 meters with it in a rapid fire. To me . . . it's greatest asset was that it was powerful and light to carry. | ||
| Hootowl |
I think when you say "high powered" you have to be referring to rifles like 30-06 and up. Because if a 223 is "high powered", what's a 7.7x58? "Super high powered"? A .50 is "Ultra high powered". A 223 can't realistically be called a high powered round when you look at it in context. | ||
| Court |
Hahahaha . . .wish you'd told me that in the early 70's. :-) | ||
| Hootowl |
Doesn't mean it's not lethal. A .22 is a lethal round too. | ||
| Aesquire |
Rick_a. You have fallen in a deliberate trap. They WANT you to divide so they can steal from you. Semiautomatic has been around more than a century. They have been in use by armies for 70+ years. The ploy of the anti civil rights crowd is to claim some object has "no legitimate sporting purpose". Which is a lie on multiple levels. Semis have been used to hunt and in competition for a century...plus. Claiming you have to have a sporting purpose is another lie. AR clones are used by thousands as hunting rifles. Most popular as variant guns in bigger caliber they are used for hogs, deer, even bison. Don't fall for the lies. | ||
| Court |
>>>>A .22 is a lethal round too. Unless I am mistake (distinct possibility) the .22 is the MOST lethal round in terms of number of o folks killed with it. It is, of course, the classic "mob hit" weapon of choice . . the Colt Woodsman with the Audio-tronics suppressor. I mean . . . after the glowing review Ernest Hemingway gave the Colt Woodsman . . . . . :-) (Message edited by court on August 21, 2014) | ||
| Blake |
The AR15/M4/M16 are all technically .22's. Is it true that the .22 is responsible for the most killing of any caliber? That doesn't contradict that the .22LR is the most popular choice of civilian/criminal assassins. Is it really true that the .22LR is the most used cartridge by criminals/murderers? | ||
| Court |
By bet is that .22LR accounts for a significant number of accidental shootings . . . . pure speculation . . could be wrong. Lots of .22's could EASILY be mistaken for a toy guns. I used to have my Grandmother's .25 cal Colt pocket pistol and I could conceal in the palm of my hand. | ||
| Aesquire |
The Brady Center to exploit a crippled guy had put out a guide book ( under a previous aka..... Handgun Control Inc. ) listing the lies of the plan to take your stuff. ( rights and property ) .22's are "assassination weapons". Based on false statistics & rumors as heard above. "Assault weapons" are anything vaguely military. The term is made up explicitly to be scary. Any shotgun plus a saw equals "sawed off shotgun"..... a criminal item...... and EVERY shotgun is one.....potentially. Etc. The deliberate demonizing of semiautomatic guns is 2 fold....... Confuse people about the difference between a self loading anything and an illegal machine gun. Always imply it's an illegal weapon. Trick people into rejecting the doomed "automatic" weapons as not suitable for hunting or self defense..... "You don't need 39 bullets to hunt a deer" Sound familiar? Divide and conquer....lie and decieve.... register and ban.....ban and confiscate...... And I'm being nice. |
