| Author | Message | ||
     Rocket_in_uk |
The reason the USA won WW2 is because the American people were willing to make sacrifices to support the war effort. The EU could take a lesson from that, but it doesn't seem like they know what's coming. The USA didn't win WW2 as you put it. They were on the winning side. Every nation, including those on the losing side, had people give their lives. Knowing and understanding this, as you clearly don't, is why you really are out of your depth in this topic. You argue without question for a nation. I argue for people. This is Ukraine today. A nation in peril where the cost is the people. In time the country will be restored. The fat cats will have their day. The power will be where those vying for it so hard want it. Only people will suffer. Get a clue. Rocket in England | ||
| Kenm123t |
Bush was treated for it Clinton has the same issues as Obama just better at concealment Clinton is a liberal but not hater of the country as Obama. Also Obama was abandoned by his father As an employer you can tell in about a week if their father we involved in their life or not. Orphans of war casualties are tend to be different those fathers were taken from the family not abandoned by them or denied. | ||
| Davegess |
I am incorrect, the Baltic's are part of NATO. Rocket if Putin is not trying to keep Ukraine inside his area control I don't know what else you would call it. Do the ethnic Russians want to be part of Ukraine or Russia, no way to tell. Elections have not been anywhere near fair or free. Besides it goes against most of principles of modern international law; you don't interfere with the boundaries of neighbor states using force. How would the UK react if armed Irish troops "liberated Antrim? Everyone who lives there is Irish and a large number of them are not very happy with English rule. Putin is acting like a 19th century despot both with Georgia and Ukraine (where he goes next is dependent on how well this one works out) and internally. Basic freedoms are disappearing inside Russia. | ||
| Pwnzor |
you know that other presidents have used drugs, right? None admitted being addicts, spending most of their youths "in a fog"... as this treasonous imposter has. | ||
| Pwnzor |
The USA didn't win WW2 as you put it. They were on the winning side. We were the winning side. It was our industrial output that won it, and without that, your country as well as Russia would have been vanquished. The American men and hardware in play on every battlefield, in the air and on every ocean is what did it. Not to mention the American women who stepped up and ran the factories, grew victory gardens, rationed fuel and groceries to conserve for the war effort. Every nation, including those on the losing side, had people give their lives. Knowing and understanding this, as you clearly don't, is why you really are out of your depth in this topic. Don't be so simple. Of course I know it. 55 million people in all. Would have been a shitload more without our men and machinery, and ultimately our atomic bombs. You argue without question for a nation. You must be thinking of someone else. I certainly do not. I argue for people. People named Putin. This is Ukraine today. A nation in peril where the cost is the people. In peril how? Oh, that's right... Russia is attacking them, from within and without. Half the country is Russian born. As Crimea proved, a huge majority of the Russian Ukraines want to stay under a Russian umbrella. Using your dubious figures, if half the country is Russian born, and only a huge majority of Russian Ukrainians want to stay under a Russian umbrella, then it stands to reason that less than half of all Ukranians want it. Or perhaps you misspoke. Again. | ||
| Davegess |
Also I was wrong about how much effect the UK could have. A very large amount of Russian money is going into the world's financial market through London and lot of Russian wealth is in UK real estate and banks. So the UK could have a big impact if they chose to pay the price. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
http://forums.cnet.com/7723-6130_102-65801/bush-ad mits-past-drug-use-in-interviews-with-author/ http://guyism.com/humor/us-presidents-who-supposed ly-did-drugs.html#9-1-john-f-kennedy and how does a person who grows up without a father differ? | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Rocket if Putin is not trying to keep Ukraine inside his area control I don't know what else you would call it. Do the ethnic Russians want to be part of Ukraine or Russia, no way to tell. Elections have not been anywhere near fair or free. Besides it goes against most of principles of modern international law; you don't interfere with the boundaries of neighbor states using force. But he is not! Nearly half of Ukrainians were born Russian, yet Russia has made no more of a play for Ukraine than the EU U.S. UK et al. FFS we all heard Victoria Nuland playing the part for the U.S. telling of what her government 'favoured'. We've not heard a peep out of Putin despite all the accusations. He's not the one manipulating the power players. That would be the U.S government with their dangling carrot money gifts and IMF payouts (currently in jeopardy). There is no such land grab by Putin. Not even a suggestion of one - except in the biased lying Western press. If anyone knows otherwise I'd love to see the proof posted here. Unlike the Nuland phone call, no proof exists. The Nuland phone call proof enough America is interfering with another nations boundaries, manipulating Ukraine as they are into the grip of the EU and the West. This whilst Ukraine was not so long ago a part of the USSR, it also being the only non NATO country on Russia's western border. Not hard to imagine why Putin might be pissed off with America interfering in Ukrainian affairs really. Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Or perhaps you misspoke. Again. You haven't got a clue apart from your history books. I was born and brought up into a war torn country you prick. What the f**k could you possibly know about the hardships suffered well into the 1970's, cosseted as you were many thousands of miles away with two oceans to keep you safe in your bed at night. So listen up. Why don't you f**k off with your nationalistic superiority complex before I come over there and shove it up your arse and show you how tough us Brit's are you stupid little keyboard warrior. Rocket in England | ||
| Kenm123t |
I trust Nuland as much as a fox in the hen house. We need to find out a lot more about Bidens son working on a fracking operation in the Ukraine. Obama and Biden are up to their neck in some BS in the Ukraine oil business Due to Past history I think you will find George Soros involved as well. We need to clean out our State Dept before we start Calling Putin Names. The Ukrainians should choose by a non rigged election If the want to stay separate from Russia. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Yea... some of us indeed had safe beds to sleep in. But we (USA) are helping other countries to have the same thing without fear of unmarked soldiers infringing borders, roaming the streets like thugs and taking over public buildings. Russia is shit compared to the generosity of the United States of America. | ||
| Hootowl |
Odd, I don't remember feeling safe in the 70s. Something about mutually assured destruction. ICBMs don't care about those pesky oceans. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Yea... some of us indeed had safe beds to sleep in. But we (USA) are helping other countries to have the same thing without fear of unmarked soldiers infringing borders, roaming the streets like thugs and taking over public buildings. Odd, I don't remember feeling safe in the 70s. Something about mutually assured destruction. ICBMs don't care about those pesky oceans. Yeah America has really made an effort to end Ukraine military campaign. Though we can find no proof of such other than to place sanctions on Russia. It's obvious the U.S. are brooding for a fight. They have been since day one. Russia Says West Taking No Action to Settle Ukraine Conflict UN Acknowledges Kiev Forces Using Heavy Weaponry in Eastern Ukraine “We hope that sensibility will prevail and at the forefront we all put the task of explaining the truth, holding an absolutely unbiased investigation, without any attempt to anticipate its results. We hope that our partners, who have said long ago that they have some sort of uncontestable information, will make this information public and open, and won’t cite confidentiality, secrecy or any other reason," Lavrov said during a briefing Monday. Rocket in England | ||
| Xdigitalx |
United states, UK, Nato,... western states don't need to do anything more than what they are doing now. (that could increase or decrease in future) the only thing that needs to be done ASAP is: pro-Russian separatist forces drop their weapons, militant foreigners leave the country, Russia stop supplying weapons and any other assistance to the pro-Russian separatist forces. Separatists need to stop accepting this assistance too. pro-Russian separatist forces can end it if they want to. It is up to them really. | ||
| Pwnzor |
Rocket, it's funny to me when you get so angry. For you to think that you can deal with the likes of me from behind your keyboard is laughable at best. If I can keep a maximum security prison barracks with three warring gangs under control, I think I can probably handle you. So come on down to Georgia and try your luck.  | ||
| Pwnzor |
Why don't you f**k off with your nationalistic superiority complex Once again, you've got your parties muddled up. | ||
| Court |
Given time . . our current administration can f88k up about anything . . . . They sent the "RSOD" . . Rocket Scientist of the Day) . . Kerry to the middle east . . . . http://news.yahoo.com/us-fuming-over-israeli-criti cism-kerry-154747943--politics.html Roughly akin to sending Mike Tyson to review a complex surgical procedure. Idiots they be. | ||
| Hootowl |
Kerry. Wrong about every foreign policy decision ever. Sure. Let's make him Secretary of State. Brilliant. | ||
| Court |
And . . .I confess . . . I have a tough time imagining North Korea threatening to nuke The White House and Pentagon under Reagan . . . http://news.yahoo.com/n-korea-threatens-nuclear-st rike-white-house-090550866.html | ||
| Hootowl |
If I'm being honest, nothing N. Korea does surprises me. Baffle, yes, surprise, no. | ||
| Fredfast |
http://consortiumnews.com/2014/02/06/ronald-reagan -worst-president-ever-2/ | ||
| Court |
Ooooops . . Fled . . . you forgot to read your own article again. | ||
| Fredfast |
"Despite the grievous harm that Reagan’s presidency inflicted on the American Republic and the American people, it may take many more years before a historian has the guts to put this deformed era into a truthful perspective and rate Reagan where he belongs — near the bottom of the presidential list." From the article....Curt (Message edited by fredfast on July 28, 2014) | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
\iUnited states, UK, Nato,... western states don't need to do anything more than what they are doing now} They could quit manipulating what's really going on for starters. Prevent Ukrainian military targeting eastern Ukrainian residents, and killing them. Withdraw sanctions etc against Russia. That and quit putting Russia in the frame to sell their story to gullible American people. the only thing that needs to be done ASAP is: pro-Russian separatist forces drop their weapons, I doubt they'll do that given what we've witnessed of their peaceful protests being continually turned into slaughters, like what happened to those innocent people in Odessa, burned alive whilst firemen prevented from nearing the building whilst police turned away and ignored events. I think you'll find this is a Ukrainian leadership any Russian Ukrainian could be forgiven for not trusting with their lives. militant foreigners leave the country, Russia stop supplying weapons and any other assistance to the pro-Russian separatist forces. Separatists need to stop accepting this assistance too. As Russia has told, requests to monitor alleged border areas where this is said to be happening have fell on deaf ears in the West. A fake U.S. admin map turned up after this weekend alleging so called missile strikes from inside Russia. As if these silly black and white pictures with a few marker pen references could persuade anyone other than the stupid. There exists NO PROOF of Russia involved in the way you repeat from many other corrupted persons. America has eyes on Ukraine like nowhere else on the planet right now, yet they've not a shred of evidence in several months to prove such goings on. Hell, I'm surprised America hasn't got Jack Bauer on the ground reporting back these so called truths with conclusive proof. Do me a favour. I'm not as dumb as the propaganda fed American populace. pro-Russian separatist forces can end it if they want to. It is up to them really. You're right they can. Providing Russia does decide to start protecting its Russian Ukrainian citizens, and her international interests, by way of counter force and measures necessary. Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
So come on down to Georgia and try your luck. Like I'd need luck  Rocket in England | ||
| Pwnzor |
Whatever. Once again you flagrantly violate the terms of existence here, proving you can't sustain polite discourse. Take your milk of magnesia and keep watching your daytime stories on TV. It's all true. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Your opinion of Russian Separatists seem to be a lot like the Hamas in Palestine. And... your take on the wests' evidence... is reminiscent of Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf (Bagdad Bob) | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Whatever. Once again you flagrantly violate the terms of existence here, proving you can't sustain polite discourse. Oh pipe down and read some of the offensive shit you're shoveling. America won the war my arse. Tell that to my grandad, he'd have knocked you out. But seeing as he's long gone I'd do it for him as a matter of honour and respect. You know. The American way  Peace arsehole  Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Your opinion of Russian Separatists seem to be a lot like the Hamas in Palestine. And... your take on the wests' evidence... is reminiscent of Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf (Bagdad Bob) Then prove my replies to your comments wrong. Show me the evidence you have which supports your beliefs. Show me the proof and I'll willing accept it. But you can't - and nor can the U.S. government as it happens. Not even when questioned in the White House during those every day press conferences where one would assume the U.S. administration would be keen to do so. Rocket in England | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Proof is out there, you just don't believe it. Putin has been caught lying a few times hasn't he?? Unmarked Troops in Crimea... then in Ukraine crossing borders... you think US/Nato West really wants and is doing everything it can to wage a war with Russia, even shooting down civilian plans to blame on separatist's. I guess every piece of evidence is fake if it comes from west?? Even UN/France/Dutch too? |
