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Kenm123t
| | Posted on Friday, July 25, 2014 - 12:29 am: | 
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LOl Bob 200 yards is considered close range! I shoot 45acp 185s @ 100yards 35 Rem is a good round but it was a orphan in my world.
Now the 10mm is what I m replacing the 45 ACP with. 1911 in 45 is good against soft targets. The problem is Patrick's dreaded Buick and in So Fla Storm rated windows and doors are tough targets. Looking into CZ copies inspired by the Bren Ten. 18 round mags
19 in condition one. In So Fla the fanny pack is about the only way to carry since weather precludes most CC methods. |
Rick_a
| | Posted on Friday, July 25, 2014 - 01:41 pm: |
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10mm definitely has it's merits. As a close range, self defense round in a full power load (only available from specialty sources...sorry to burst any bubbles, but anything found on the shelf these days is "weak sauce" and not much better than 40S&W) it's a bit much. As a multipurpose outdoor round in an auto it's likely the best there is. For something stronger a 45acp revolver stoked with semi wadcutters at +p+ pressures will work just fine for me.
I've always found it odd that many advocate the 10mm as the answer with much chest thumping, while others complain that the 40 "Short & Weak" has too much recoil to shoot proficiently.
The only 10mm CZ clone I know of is the Italian made Tanfoglio Witness distributed by EAA. Get the Elite or Hunter variants. The others have durability issues (the round top slides crack in time with full power loads).
Ken, I carry full size handguns IWB or OWB in the same environment under a couple shirts. It's not always that one can't do it, it's more the case that they don't want to invest the gear and effort to do so.
When it comes to calibers I like to investigate as many scientific sources available as possible, rather than opinions, with actual use and practice as the true test, when possible. |
Ourdee
| | Posted on Friday, July 25, 2014 - 10:52 pm: |
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In So Fla the fanny pack is about the only way to carry since weather precludes most CC methods.
Ever consider using a camera bag for CC? |
Kenm123t
| | Posted on Saturday, July 26, 2014 - 02:18 am: |
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Rick at work it isn't an option small spaces and laying on a big frame pistol gets painful.
The TF guns are what I have found to be the better of the available 10mm.
10mm off the shelf ammo isn't an Issue since I load my own.
I m not a Glock fan I have broken every one I have ever shot! I can run the Springfield XDs very well they just do not fit my hand well and wear a hot spot on my thumb after a 100 rounds. Other than a dremel there isn't much you can do about it. |
Rick_a
| | Posted on Saturday, July 26, 2014 - 04:03 am: |
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How did you break these Glocks? That's unheard of. I know of people that have worn them out but not of breakages (save for some tac light/dust cover issues. |
Bob_thompson
| | Posted on Saturday, July 26, 2014 - 11:06 am: |
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"In So Fla the fanny pack is about the only way to carry since weather precludes most CC methods."
Ourdee: Ever consider using a camera bag for CC?
Not a bad idea. I also like a small cell phone looking type of pouch, a fanny pack with Gatorade when bicycling, a day planner with pistol and extra mags when sitting in a nice restaurant but mostly I carry my Glock 30, in cool weather, in a high ride canted forward holster in the small of my strong side hip under a jacket and for summer my AMT backup strong side, inside the pants holster, which will cover with just a tee shirt. I believe the easiest and quickest access is best by all means. And remember always carry at least one extra magazine. |
Kenm123t
| | Posted on Saturday, July 26, 2014 - 11:07 am: |
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Sights disappeared in less than 1 mag on 4 guns
Striker chipped on 1 safety lever pin failure in trigger on another
I haven't shot one in 5 years or so
Will not buy one I view them like Sigs over priced and over rated. Browning imported Sigs for many years and basically couldn't give them away. They Dropped the line Sig found a New Distributor they marketed to the FEDs then Every body wanted them.
Tupperware has found its way in to the firearms industry guns are built for a price point first and a quality point is secondary.
Ruger is the GM of guns good guns never great guns. The best one they make is their first one the 22 auto pistol. |
Kenm123t
| | Posted on Saturday, July 26, 2014 - 11:14 am: |
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Bob I carry what I call my Church guns Small Frame guns after work. During the day at work is where I tend to carry Larger frames 45s soon to be a 10mm.
I frequently drive through the hood to get to industrial vendors and customers Higher capacities and calibers are preferable in that environment
The pump shot gun resides in the van if required love those slugs |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Saturday, July 26, 2014 - 12:04 pm: |
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Perhaps the SIG's are over priced, but having handled a P220, it's hard to say they are over rated. Dang that's a nice gun by just about any measure I can measure by. |
Johnnylunchbox
| | Posted on Sunday, July 27, 2014 - 11:20 pm: |
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+1 on SIG. Spendy but extremely well put together. I have a P229 DAO .40 that has been flawless for the near 8 years I've had it. As someone who came up on revolvers I appreciate the trigger pull.
I had a Glock 19 for about 8 years before that that was a beast. It was a great gun that I would bet my life on, but the (NY) trigger and I never clicked (pun absolutely intended.) Not a match gun, but an absolute bear as a defensive weapon.
My around town carry is either the KelTec PF9, Beretta Jetfire in .25, or Beretta Minx in .22 Short.
I'm still learning to trust the KelTec though. Very finicky on certain JHPs. |
Ourdee
| | Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2014 - 08:01 pm: |
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Church guns? I thought you were going to show a hollowed out bible in a zippered cover.
No, I haven't hollowed out any bibles. But I do have a bible that is thin enough to ride in the zippered cover with the pistol behind it. |
Kenm123t
| | Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2014 - 09:36 pm: |
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Ourdee Non Work clothes non sporting clothes, What you might wear to church or out to dinner etc lol
its a little hard to carry a large frame pistol so we carry smaller .380 or 9mm hence the term Church guns |
Bob_thompson
| | Posted on Friday, August 01, 2014 - 10:02 am: |
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Please remember to have your "church guns" blessed by the church Pastor, Priest or Bishop. LOL. But seriously, if your going to carry you might as well carry 100% of the time when practical and permitted. There are weirdo criminals everywhere. Stay safe always, Bob |
Kenm123t
| | Posted on Friday, August 01, 2014 - 10:47 pm: |
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We have armed plain clothes and uniformed police at church. All over the main campus 40-50 at any given time and 10 or more at each of the remote locations.
I would estimate 40% of the male members CCW all the time.
We carry 100% of the time just different hardware as needed |
Jayvee
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - 05:24 pm: |
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There have been several multiple-victim shootings in churches, the assailant thinks (usually correctly) he has a whole bunch of soft targets, packed so close he can't miss. All it would have took to stop it is one LCP in the house |
Sifo
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - 06:19 pm: |
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Ever consider using a camera bag for CC?
While this may be a viable option in many cases, I wouldn't be a fan of it if there is another option. Off body carry is never preferred IMO, and any off body carry that screams "pawnable merchandise inside" makes your defensive weapon a first target of a predator. At least be aware of this. |
Zane
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - 06:28 pm: |
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Does anyone have a S&W Bodyguard? Its about the same size as the Keltec P-3AT or the Ruger LPC. It's a touch heavier by 2 or 3 oz. but I like the feel of the gun and the way it fits my hand. It has a bit more to the sites too, though that's not a major issue for a belly gun.
Anyone care to give a quick report on this model? |
Sifo
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - 07:47 pm: |
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I handled a Bodyguard in a gun shop. Everything felt great to me with one big exception. It has a manual safety. This is a sticking point for me personally. Even worse with the body guard, given that simply manipulating the various functions of the gun I accidentally bumped the safety on... TWICE! That pretty much made it a non-starter for me. YMMV. I have never had this happen with any of my other guns with a manual safety, including my 1911 with it's oversize safety switch. I would guess that it would be pretty simple to eliminate the safety switch though. It would leave a hole in the gun, but it would be as I would want it to function at that point. |
Zane
| | Posted on Thursday, August 07, 2014 - 12:57 pm: |
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I looked at one and the manual safety was stiff to the point of being hard to operate. Other than that, I really liked the gun. It was the heaviest of the three I'm considering to replace my .32 Keltec but a little weight will help with felt recoil. Still it's not so heavy it would be a problem to pocket carry. |
Sifo
| | Posted on Thursday, August 14, 2014 - 05:07 pm: |
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As long as this thread's focus has already drifted and seems to be finding it's natural end, I'll further derail it with a slightly related notion...
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/08/robert-fa rago/9mm-wins-caliber-wars/
Let the fur fly. |
Zane
| | Posted on Friday, August 15, 2014 - 12:27 pm: |
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Different jobs require different calibers. Pick the most appropriate for the job. With concealed carry, weight is a major issue. Open carry in the boonies for bear protection? Not as much.
What function does the gun serve? That's how you decide. I don't believe there is ONE perfect for everything round. |
