| Author | Message | ||
     Aesquire |
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| Kenm123t |
Patrick your incorrect if you were correct Ivf wouldn't work and we would be short Kate &8 and the Oct, mom Fredrica here's Miracle for you we agree Abortion is not birth control Its MURDER ! | ||
| Kenm123t |
Fredrica do you wish your mom practiced Birth control I'll bet many people do lol | ||
| Aesquire |
Kenm, ????? ...if you were correct Ivf wouldn't work... What? I'd much rather find out I'm wrong and change my mind than win an argument, especially about medical and engineering. See Bill Whittle's essay on "Tribes". Now Hoot & My opinions differ in 2 ways, as I see it. The moral, what is life & what is murder, we can have an honest disagreement about and no harm no foul. The Medical, what does what and how, should not be subject to opinion. Facts, dammit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levonorgestrel The primary mechanism of action of levonorgestrel as a progestogen-only emergency contraceptive pill is, according to FIGO, to prevent fertilization by inhibition of ovulation.[3][4][5][6] The International Federation of Gynecology and Obstetrics (FIGO) has issued a statement that: "review of the evidence suggests that LNG [levonorgestreol] ECPs cannot prevent implantation of a fertilized egg. Language on implantation should not be included in LNG ECP product labeling."  7][8] In June 2012, a New York Times editorial called on the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to remove from the label the unsupported suggestion that levonorgestrel emergency contraceptive pills inhibit implantation.[9] In November 2013, the European Medicines Agency (EMA) approved a change to the label for HRA Pharma's NorLevo saying it cannot prevent implantation of a fertilized egg.[10] This tells me it's a preventer of Ovulation, ideally, and thus should be put in the barrier methods ( Condoms, Cervical caps ) category for function AND morals. (There's also a para about being ineffective on heavy patients. Which makes a rule of thumb sense since some drugs seem to like to hide out in fat.) Medically. If you want to argue the moral position that freedom from unintended pregnancy caused a sexual revolution and has morality problems that we have not as a society solved very well......... well sure... As a Great Philosopher said, "With great power comes great responsibility." | ||
| Kenm123t |
you said it its all fun and games till she starts swelling and Says its all your fault! So the we end up with it's my body and you get no MORE input lol BUT YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR MY BAD CHOICES! and apt food etc | ||
| Hootowl |
"The Medical, what does what and how, should not be subject to opinion. Facts, dammit." I have said nothing about regular old birth control pills up until this sentence, so I'm not sure why you think I've put them in the same category as the morning after pill. | ||
| Kenm123t |
Hoot just think of that comment as a Vapor Lock while he is reading Flyers that come with contraception of the last 60 years lol In short he has discovered some of it works and well just not as proposed and designed like all Meds. | ||
| Aesquire |
Apples and oranges.. Plan-b is a different morning after pill. Not an abortion pill. I'm well aware that drugs have side effects and variable desired effect. | ||
| Kenm123t |
Did you get hairy palms from your arthritis meds? Or was that a side effect of another issue?  | ||
| Aesquire |
That ones too easy. Nair hand lotion. Keeps your palms baby smooth. There are of course side effects. Like Obamacare. You may experience loss of civil rights, quality of care, suppression of First Amendment, and mandatory euthanasia. Discontinuing use may result in electile disfunction, riots, extensive lies and civil war. Also if used with undocumented immigrant encouragement programs may result in epidemic, stockpiling of undocumented Democrat voters in inhumane warehousing and societal breakdown. Side effects are a bitch. | ||
| Fredfast |
Reading what you guys write about what women can and can not, should or should not do with their bodies is as laughable as the Supreme Court decision (five men voted in favor). Stoning them for using birth control will soon be declared constitutional. What a joke. | ||
| Aesquire |
What we oppose is a pill that prevents a fertilized egg (a genetically unique human being) from implanting itself on the uterine wall, thus preventing pregnancy, and ensuring the death of said human being. and Plan B prevents the fertilized egg from implanting, thus preventing pregnancy. It still results in the death of a human being. according to the wiki article Plan b does not prevent implantation, but suppresses egg expression, thus is not an abortion pill. Right? It's the same drug used in one kind of birth control pill, and a component of other birth control therapy. Not the same as RU-486. That kicks off a period and technically, a miscarriage. ( or abortion ) There is more than one kind of "Morning After Pill". I may disagree on the morality of IUD's and other implantation prevention methods, but that's a minor disagreement compared to medical misinformation. Happy to discuss the fine points once the factual stuff is clear. I may be wrong & I think the facts matter. 2 areas where leftists and I are in opposition. They are never wrong, and facts don't matter, power does. ( see "death panels" and propaganda about them. ) Kenm, I still don't understand your point on IVF, please explain. | ||
| Aesquire |
See, with FF facts don't matter. The fundamental dishonesty shines. ( I think he's either paid, or a 'bot ) | ||
| Fredfast |
Fact is - It's none of your business. | ||
| Spiderman |
I think this wraps up this thread to a T  | ||
| Fredfast |
Bingo! | ||
| Reepicheep |
Sharia law tells me what I can and can't do. That's offensive to a constitution and freedom loving American. A health care tax that obligates a company to fund something that 48% of Americans believe could be murder is also offensive to a constitution and freedom loving American. It's not that complicated. If we wanted Hobby Lobby to ignore the laws, we would have rooted for them to ignore the laws. We didn't, we wanted them to take it to the supreme court, which ***ruled*** that Hobby Lobby was in fact on the right side of the law, and the department of Justice was acting illegally. | ||
| Reepicheep |
We don't want Sharia law on our bodies, and we don't want liberal policies on them either. Let us escape the womb and go on to mind our own business. | ||
| Court |
>>>>go on to mind our own business. Seemed so simple . . . now I've got an Ivy League flunk-out hoodie . . .telling me how to manage my healthcare. | ||
| Spiderman |
You can tar and feather a cat, doesn't make it right or make it a chicken. You guys always circle back to the same thing liberals baddddd. It is like hillbilly Frankenstein in here. | ||
| Sifo |
You guys always circle back to the same thing liberals baddddd. That may just be because it always comes back to liberals telling us how to live our lives. What is at issue here is that liberals are forcing people to pay for things that they find morally offensive. Leave us the F&CK alone and we wont bitch so much. Did you notice that the Supreme court just ruled we are right on this one? There's been a rash of rulings this week that have proven us right. What's the saying again? STAY OUT OF MY BEDROOM! | ||
| Fredfast |
"Did you notice that the Supreme court just ruled we are right on this one?" Did you notice how the only women on the Supreme Court voted or doesn't that matter to you? Men have decided what women can do. Sound familiar? | ||
| Sifo |
Men have decided what women can do. The only issue at hand was who pays for it. This doesn't restrict women from doing anything they please. You are either terribly misinformed or spewing lies. | ||
| Spiderman |
LOL you are so cute when you prove my point correct Sifo big kisses  | ||
| Court |
>>>>Did you notice how the only women on the Supreme Court voted or doesn't that matter to you? Hmmmmm . . . . trying to limit women's votes? Dems have tried that before.
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| Sifo |
LOL you are so cute when you prove my point correct Sifo big kisses I'm not sure that you understand your point. | ||
| Pwnzor |
Once again, we have the libtards misinterpreting the obvious. Hobby Lobby pays DOUBLE minimum wage to START. They restrict nobody from buying anything. The OWNERS of the company do not want to pay for ABORTION because it is MURDER. What don't you get? You don't have to be religious to understand MURDER, do you? I'm pretty sure Jesus and The Flying Spaghetti Monster both agree on the subject of MURDER. It's wrong. Don't do it. | ||
| Pwnzor |
And FURTHERMORE, they made their CHOICE when they threw their heels up in the air with no PROTECTION. Lazy, no good jerks having sex without condoms or any other form of prevention, then want the fallback position of MURDER to exonerate them from their foolish CHOICES. | ||
| Fredfast |
Can't argue with that logic. | ||
| Pwnzor |
No, you surely can not. |
