| Author | Message | ||
     Alfau |
(Message edited by alfau on June 18, 2014) | ||
| Cityxslicker |
The Ukrainian Army is drafting conscripts directly into their 'war on terror' first order of business ? Burn the Forest around Lugansk - surely there must be 'terrorists' in there..... in addition to family farms, dachas, and pensioners - meh - they cook and die just the same ; yippee yahoo the Americans are paying for a BBQ | ||
| Pwnzor |
I'm curious. How do you know this? My resolve for facts clearly visible. That's how. You're not in Ukraine. You're nowhere near it, neither am I. The difference between me and you is, I don't pretend to "know" what's really going on. I do know what is going to happen, because I have faith in the Scriptures. All of this has been foretold in stark detail. I'll borrow a line from CityX, "wait and see... watch and learn". | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
City we'll miss you in two days (or less) when you ship out and change your name, accent, passport etc  | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
The difference between me and you is, I don't pretend to "know" what's really going on. In your opinion of course  I've used the self same sources available to you. The difference between me and you is you don't accept the facts when they're as clear as a bell. Perhaps because you're American? I can think of no other reason why you'd defend lies. Rocket in England | ||
| Pwnzor |
I can think of no other reason why you'd defend lies. When have I done that? Please, point that out for me. I'm pretty sure it has been me all along saying that NOBODY really knows what's going on in these politicians' heads. The only thing we "know" is what THEY want us to know. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/18/us-finla nd-nato-defenceminister-idUSKBN0ET1V320140618 | ||
| Sifo |
Needs more Milla...  | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
When have I done that? Please, point that out for me. You assert that I don't know...... If you think you know what is REALLY going on, that you know anything more than what THEY want you to know... then you are just blind. Your "resolve for facts clearly visible" is misplaced. Unless you were THERE and witnessed it, everything you think you know is just hearsay. I'll bite. Without picking the bones out of everything, I believe the Nuland phone call, and what it lead to. Do you? Rocket in England | ||
| Blake |
"and what it led to"? That's where the fictionalization starts. | ||
| Pwnzor |
Exactly, the phone call itself exists. Beyond that, it's all conjecture. You, me, Rocket... none of us really know what's going on. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleea st/iraq/10910868/Iraq-crisis-Obama-may-launch-air- strikes-without-Congress-amid-calls-for-Maliki-to- go-live.html 17.09 Chemical weapons produced at the Al Muthanna facility, which Isis today seized, are believed to have included mustard gas, Sarin, Tabun, and VX. Here is the CIA's file on the complex. Quote Stockpiles of chemical munitions are still stored there. The most dangerous ones have been declared to the UN and are sealed in bunkers. Although declared, the bunkers contents have yet to be confirmed. These areas of the compound pose a hazard to civilians and potential blackmarketers. Numerous bunkers, including eleven cruciform shaped bunkers were exploited. Some of the bunkers were empty. Some of the bunkers contained large quantitiesof unfilled chemical munitions, conventional munitions, one-ton shipping containers, old disabled production equipment (presumed disabled under UNSCOM supervision), and other hazardous industrial chemicals. 17.05 The Chemical Weapons Convention, which Iraq joined in 2009, requires it to dispose of the material at Al Muthanna, even though it was declared unusable and "does not pose a significant security risk" However, the UK goverment has acknowledgeded that the nature of the material contained in the two bunkers would make the destruction process difficult and technically challenging. Under an agreement signed in Baghdad in July 2012, experts from the MOD’s Defence Science and Technology Laboratory (Dstl) were due to provide training to Iraqi personnel in order to help them to dispose of the chemical munitions and agents. Now it looks like the Obama regime will declare Iraq has WMD's. Which of course, it did, and still has. No matter what lies have been told. They may not have good, safe usable stuff, ready to deliver.... but Mustard has a long shelf life, and if it's already in a shell, it's ready to go. VX is probably shot, and now just nasty poison, instead of Satan's drool, that kills with a few micrograms. Sarin may or not be still useable. The enemy is a group supported by Obama. They MAY have already used chemical weapons, as no one can say for sure who used them in Syria. ( but probably the Assad regime. ) just like no one ( except Rocket, who possesses psychic powers ) knows who's doing what to who in Ukraine. Funny, City seems pretty sure too. He thinks it's Obama's buddies killing people in Ukraine. Like in Libya. And Egypt. And Syria. And Afghanistan. And....... | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
That's where the fictionalization starts. How patronising. All those named landed positions in the U.S. administrations backed government in Ukraine she said she wanted them to. It would be funny if it were not true. If you're willing to turn a blind eye to the obvious. Brand it as fiction, or whatever. You've only yourselves to blame when 'they' fly planes into buildings. Bomb embassies. Blow up U.S. warships. Rocket in England | ||
| Aesquire |
You've only yourselves to blame when 'they' fly planes into buildings. Bomb embassies. Blow up U.S. warships. For the last few decades, most of us knew who the enemy was in those cases, despite the denials of the Bush & now Obama regimes. Jihadi. We're at war. Simple name, complex subject, not very close to the thread, so I'll leave it at that. As to what's really going on in Ukraine, I'm inclined to blame it on Obama. I'm also wondering how much of this is him obeying Comrade Putin. Next year, Paris. (old Russian joke, 2 Soviet Ground Force Generals meet in Paris, "who won the air war?" one asks. ) | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Now it looks like the Obama regime will declare Iraq has WMD's. You mean like Blair, an excuse to go get 'em..... So where are these nukes? Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
You've only yourselves to blame when 'they' fly planes into buildings. Bomb embassies. Blow up U.S. warships. Nothing to do with knowing enemies or not. I was referring to the willingness of people to turn a blind eye when it suits them, and how doing so can be perceived by others. On a grand scale the behaviour fits a nation and its enemies, is the point. Rocket in England | ||
| Pwnzor |
Hmmm... Wrath, avarice, sloth, pride, lust, envy, and gluttony. Take your pick. The result is the same. Make your house ready. | ||
| Aesquire |
What nukes? I already told you the nuke program under Saddam was on hold with no progress. First the Israelis bombed the reactor before he could make plutonium, then the Gulf War 1 and subsequent bombing under Clinton shut the nuke business down. Now it's you bringing up nukes, dishonestly, to mock a point. Russia, btw, has nukes. Stole the designs from us, then actually made much bigger ones. Much bigger. Partly the bigger dick phenomena, but mostly because their ICBM's had crap accuracy. ( but very good lift capacity ) It wouldn't be unusual for a Russian ICBM targeted on London to hit Yorkshire. So they built huge bombs to compensate.. kinda like a Corvette driver.  Don't care if Blair told you tales of nukes a while back. He's not in power now, is he? I take it the new guy sucks just as much? Were you a fan of Iron Maggie? The poison gas is still there, like I said, and the UK forces in charge of disposal. As previously stated. Maybe we'll get some nice shots of the Brit's disposal plans before it's over run by the Jihadi. As to Ukraine, do you think just the Cossack/ethnic & Heavily seeded with Russians southeast will "voluntarily call for Russian Rule" or the whole country? | ||
| Aesquire |
I was referring to the willingness of people to turn a blind eye when it suits them, and how doing so can be perceived by others. On a grand scale the behaviour fits a nation and its enemies, is the point. What a charmingly offensive way to make a good point. Perhaps not the point you want to make, but still a good one. Denial about the War on Dar el Harb is rampant. Bush's minions made him not use the word "crusade", to avoid annoying the enemy. Obama denies there IS an enemy, except the one he's already taken credit for destroying, ( he lied ) and thus can't possibly exist, and by dictatorial decree, must not be named. No matter how many they kill. And, it's true most people in western society don't want to admit they are at war. Look at the crap they ( his government ) gave that Dutch politician for telling the truth. Not even close to what the Dutch film maker got for telling the truth. Or the female politician who doesn't think it's just freaking awesome to be mutilated as a child and is now under sentence of death. Or the other women and girls who want to go to school and are under sentence of death, have acid thrown on their faces, or are gang raped for dishonoring their culture.... | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
I already told you the nuke program under Saddam was on hold with no progress. Keep up at the back. I was being facetious. The old rotting chemical weapon stuff you referenced, you say will be labeled WMD's by Obama. You said yourself they're likely all f**ked, and who's gonna open the door and go get a few out to 'play with'. They were never WMD's and never will be was my point. Show me some nukes and I'll show you WMD's. Get it? Was I a fan of Thatcher? Are you nuts??? UKRAINE: As to Ukraine, do you think just the Cossack/ethnic & Heavily seeded with Russians southeast will "voluntarily call for Russian Rule" or the whole country? No, I believe given the choice a huge majority of eastern settled Ukrainians would vote for autonomy favouring Russian trade as opposed to EU. Why wouldn't they? Mother Russia is where most were born. Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
What a charmingly offensive way to make a good point. Perhaps not the point you want to make, but still a good one. It's exactly the right point. Nuland made the call. The subject matter of said call fell into place. Some here call it fiction. Such attitude on a national scale does a country no favours. Rocket in England | ||
| Aesquire |
They were never WMD's and never will be was my point. Show me some nukes and I'll show you WMD's. Get it? No. Don't buy your definition for 2 reasons. 1. the US position on WMD's, until the Obama regime, was "a gas is a germ is a nuke". You release Ebola or Sarin on the US, we, who do not have such items in active inventory, can, and will, mother&*^%, burn you with radioactive fire. Not the most nuanced of positions, but until the Anthrax attack, seemed to keep the peace as well as the insane MAD strategy. Which is to say, there's been lots of murder, choking, shooting, stoning, stabbing, hacking, and blowing up with explosives..... but no cities in flames since Nagasaki. 2. It's obviously an argument to win no matter the objective reality. Pretty sure all the guys with "a touch of mustard" ruining the rest of their lives from WW1 are dead now, and the number of disfigured and crippled Kurds ( and Iranians ) are not in the millions, by any means, but that does not change the nature of poison gas, it's definition as a WMD, or it's basic evil nature. Sure, choking to death on your own blood, or curling up like a twitching bug with nerve gas, doesn't kill you any deader than a clothyard shaft or directional mine. It's like the difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter. It's a real difference, and I can pretty simply define it for you. And, a lot of rotten people insist there is no difference, because of some evil agenda they have to gain power for themselves. ( or they are useful idiots for same ) (Message edited by aesquire on June 19, 2014) | ||
| Aesquire |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_anthrax_attacks The FBI is very good at what it does. Not good at all outside it's narrow specialty. There is probably an FBI tech who can rebuild your Ducati with no problem, but he's not a field agent, and isn't giving press conferences. The FBI tracked down a few letters, and hounded a geek to death. Never caught the murderer. Any report by the FBI on this case is suspect, as they have serious legal reasons for not admitting incompetence or hounding anyone to death, after paying damages/shut up money. Wiki is a slow blog and changes stuff all the time. The political stuff especially, so I give anything from that source an automatic doubt factor. Rechecking the Wiki article, I see they now count 68 victims, that there was considerable doubt the FBI got anything right at all, and that the FBI decided they were "Columbo", a TV detective that always arrests the criminal who tries to be helpful to the case. Experts at the Johns Hopkins Center for Civilian Biodefense Strategies (CCBS) concluded that one of the nineteen 9/11 hijackers, Ahmed al-Haznawi, had likely been exposed to anthrax. Alhaznawi and another man arrived in the emergency room of a Fort Lauderdale, Florida, hospital presenting an ugly, dark lesion on his leg that he said he developed after bumping into a suitcase two months earlier. Christos Tsonas thought the injury was curious, cleaned it and prescribed an antibiotic. After September 11, federal investigators found the medicine prescribed by Tsonas among the possessions of Alhaznawi.[162] I don't know where the Anthrax came from, I could be wrong about the source of the weoponization, and I don't believe anything the FBI says about the case, or any other case where it looks like they killed people. Shortly after the anthrax attacks in the United States, another letter containing traces of a second strain of anthrax was mailed to a pediatrician in Santiago, Chile. The letter was postmarked in Switzerland and sent via DHL, which used a Swiss bulk mail shipper in New York. This letter had an Orlando, Florida return address. No one is known to have been infected from it.[57] And, perhaps most telling.... After the 9/11 attacks and the subsequent anthrax mailings, lawmakers were pressed for legislation to combat further terrorist acts. Under heavy pressure from then Attorney General John D. Ashcroft, a bipartisan compromise in the House Judiciary Committee allowed legislation for the Patriot Act to move forward for full consideration later that month.[184][185] | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
so excited for City's trip! "All is still on target to be there before the 20th; so yes - I as well; probably a landing photo of me in Kiev or Odessa - maybe a shot of me in Poltava or Kharkov and then yes - dark" | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Russian Tanks rolling through Lugansk this morning I flunked boarding physical - so it is 6 weeks in the PI to get into shape; They have apparently turned the PI back 'on'. Leave Sunday for PI - w00t; fat man rollin PS My old unit is already on ground in Ukraine - they have been there for weeks; when they say 'advisers' or 'observers' - that is 'us' Enjoy the show. (no orders to Ukraine until fatso passes the PT test.) | ||
| Fast1075 |
Despite the squabbling, this is a good thread. I read it every day. I have my own opinions I care not to share. Hell my own opinion may be wrong because I am not THERE to know for myself the difference between reality and the spoon fed pablum from "news sources" with their own agenda. I do tire of some petty personal attacks. It is childish and inappropriate. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Don't buy your definition for 2 reasons. I don't care. Facts are, and you say so yourself, Iraq could not gas any nation other than one close enough to do so within a limited range of the weapons Iraq had. They do not and never have included weapons capable of reaching America. Or the UK for that matter. This was the premise these two nations went to war on. WMD's is an often fancied term these days, used by those looking for an excuse to cover their tactics. It's a scare story at best. One used to garner support of citizens of nations whose leaders are looking for war to fulfil their agenda. "You won't be safe in your beds at night until we stop these evil dictators", a nations people stirred into a furore will get such support. Have you ever consider Iraq could have killed you in your bed at night Patrick? Did your government at anytime lead you to believe Iraq could have? So no - NO WMD's is my take. Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Anthrax? A 9/11 bomber with a bruise and a prescription medication of antibiotics? He could have had a water infection or syphilis, or a host of other medical conditions. Why should a dark legion be anthrax? Really thin and by heck what a good fit up eh...... Next Oh a letter to America which no one snorted anthrax from. That's pretty conclusive proof I'd say  Rocket in England | ||
| Aesquire |
Legion? Isn't that someone's name? Scud reach my house? No never worried about that and no subways near me to die choking from a suicide attack......like Tokyo. We have local malls though. The Jihad hasn't hit one here. Just leftist rampage suicides. Haven't had a bunch of school girls kidnapped either. Africa has had both. Waiting for Vladimir's bitch Obama to declare those girls volunteers. Just as he declared AQ defeated. Or the red line in Syria. Or that Russia wasn't allowed to take Ukraine. Of course Obama declares a lot of things that are untrue. Under the Dept. Of Fatherland Security satchel charges are called Wmds and opposition to The Party are terrorists. So I suppose you can declare your lies anyway you want. Neither you or Barry are telling the truth. As our former sec state said "what difference does it make" ( that I lie to you ) | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
LOL "I flunked boarding physical - so it is 6 weeks in the PI to get into shape; They have apparently turned the PI back 'on'. Leave Sunday for PI - w00t; fat man rollin PS My old unit is already on ground in Ukraine - they have been there for weeks; when they say 'advisers' or 'observers' - that is 'us' Enjoy the show. (no orders to Ukraine until fatso passes the PT test.)" I KNEW there would be some BS excuse to why you wouldnt go. Youre so full of it, always an excuse why you dont do what you say you're going to do (moving to Ukraine, joining some top secret mission etc) I love it, you make me laugh so much with all of your nonsense, you pathetic fool |
