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     Xdigitalx |
Maybe if they are made more eco-friendly and used recycled materials to build, they could approve a big budget for them... I think even Pelosi would approve. (duct tape a solar panel on top) Or maybe just say they have to be built in order to see if it works in a battle environment. It worked for civilian health care ....why not saving soldiers too. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://caseyhendrickson.wordpress.com/2011/06/24/w mds-in-iraq-are-irrefutable/ Ask Rocket which book he's got that tells you no WMD's were found.... Then tell me there never were WMD's so I can mock you. Because there are plenty of dead who know better. Don't try that line on a Kurd. The question none of the liars ever ask, or ever respond to, is "where did all the weapons the UN counted go?". Vietnam. This is one of those things I actually remember. Was quite interested in what was going on, since upper classmen were going there, some didn't come back, and many never came all the way home. When Nixon ended US involvement in Vietnam, the North had zero occupied territory in the South. They did have terrorist groups, but the Tet Offensive demolished the North Vietnam Army. Major losses. We seriously kicked their butts. The loss ratio against a much larger foe that attacked on the equiv. of Christmas Day, is kind of militarily stunning. The only victories so lopsided in the last couple of hundred years that I recall were The Marine attack south ( retreat ) from the Chosin Reservoir, ( My Father was in that one. Far more than a Million Chinese troops were killed ) Desert Storm during the Bush the Elder regime, and Iraqi Freedom under Bush the Younger. After Nixon withdrew the troops, and we signed treaties with South Vietnam, the Democrat controlled Congress screwed them and just let the North attack, and conquer. More than 10 million people were murdered by the conquerors, not killed in battle, murdered after, and millions died trying to escape. Fact. cold hard mother****** fact. Democrats In the US Congress are directly responsible for those deaths. They can take some credit for setting up a slave state for Nike to profit from, so you got to give them that. | ||
| Aesquire |
Now if you want to argue that Kennedy and Johnson should never have put us in that war, you'd get a lot of agreement. I doubt anyone would argue that the ROE's and methods of fighting in Vietnam, especially the "air war" were not literally insane. Lyndon B. Johnson. he deserves the bulk of the credit, even though John F. Kennedy started our involvement. They still keep a watch on LBJ's grave. The line to Pi** on it was embarrassing. | ||
| Fredfast |
http://www.history.com/topics/vietnam-war/tet-offe nsive For all you so-called history buffs. | ||
| Aesquire |
I totally forgot Walter Cronkite. His lies about Tet influence a lot of people. Johnson Didn't end the war. the opinions in the last paragraphs of the above link are the propaganda of the event, not the truth. Johnson messed up. Though peace talks would drag on for another five years–during which more American soldiers were killed than in the previous years of the conflict–Johnson’s decision to halt escalation after the Tet Offensive marked a crucial turning point in American participation in the Vietnam War. Then the Dems drove the nail in the coffin. http://books.google.com/books?id=Ow2YFQ4K1KcC&pg=P A127&lpg=PA127&dq=vietnam+Congress+betrayal&source =bl&ots=iI1CtPl0hL&sig=ACAIhS-GKppurv9x65NT90UXKmg &hl=en&sa=X&ei=LoibU_33GM-ryATu-4GYBQ&ved=0CFgQ6AE wCA#v=onepage&q=vietnam%20Congress%20betrayal&f=fa lse | ||
| Court |
Pray for the American's currently in the Baghdad American Embassy. The White House just admitted they've been watching this unfold for months and just got "on the wrong side of the curve". There are no plans . . . citing "political sensitivity" to evacuate the Embassy. If any of them saw what happened in Benghazi . . .you can bet your ass they are scare to death. Someone in the oval office needs to pull their head out of their skinny little ass. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Let's just clarify a point here. WMD's as Blair told were nuclear weapons. This the reason for war sold to the British public. The transition to chemical weapons nothing but a later excuse when no WMD's were discovered. If you want to stick to chem's as WMD's then I'm all ears to see where these were found. Please post up the evidence. Evidence enough which shows U.S, UK, or even Israeli citizens could have been targeted en masse - as in MASS DESTRUCTION. Rocket in England | ||
| Aesquire |
In the US we knew the nuclear program was on hold after the bombing of the reactor. That Saddam wanted to restart it after the sanctions were dropped. That he had a buttload of Uranium. ( sent to Canada after the liberation. Multiple shipments of real ore. ) It was the possibility of a clandestine biowarfare program And the very real and counted by the UN poison gas. Poison gas is a WMD because of its effects and use. It's still a WMD when a small amount is used in a subway.......like in Japan. ( domestic bad guys not Iraq related ) Again. Where did the poison gas go? Some went to Syria. You know, Assad & the poison gassing? Some were scattered through the conventional artillery stockpiles. Multiple cases found when the stockpiles were demolished. Multiple cases of poison gas shells used as IEDs. Saddam claimed he ordered them destroyed......and thus some was dumped in the desert with no documentation. The Brits are running the incinerators for the disposal of the rest found....... so far. Can't help you with the Brit spin. The Iraqi nuclear program was real but inactive. The Iranian one is real active and dangerous. Iran has been "five years from a bomb" for twenty plus years. Considering the success rate for the intelligence guys on that........... we'll find out they have a nuke when Tel Aviv burns. "Mass destruction"? Plenty was known to exist to kill London. The means for delivering it were lacking. It's not like even the Brits would let Saddam set up artillery in Hyde Park. The IRBMs Saddam had lacked the range.... So..... short term. Mass gas attacks were unlikely. The London subway or a shopping mall or other small attack quite possible. Unless England actually has port security that opens and inspects every container? The US doesn't. | ||
| Blake |
In one of the most despicable, dishonorable, disgustingly traitorous acts ever perpetrated by American citizens, Democrats in congress blocked funding of our S. Vietnam allies. This after the we had stopped pulling punches Johnson style, and bombed the marxist mass murderers into submission under the Nixon administration. Since Korea, Democrats can't stomach doing what is necessary to defeat America's enemies in war. They are much more likely to cheer for appeasement and outright defeat. Harry Reid, one of the slimiest scumbags to ever disgrace the halls of congress must now be satisfied with himself and his traitorous declaration from a decade ago that "this war is lost." The depths of vapid anti-intellectual propaganda (lies) to which some Democrats are willing to sink is beyond forgivable. Good people are being tortured and murdered as a result of such depraved partisan delusion. Liars suck. Those who foster willful ignorance and delusion while ignoring evil, looking to blame others rather than the evil doers themselves, those miserable deceivers defy tolerance. The Obama harvest is just beginning. | ||
| Sifo |
So the leader of ISIS was released from a Prison by the US in 2009. We have just released five more just like him from Gitmo, and politicians on the left are spinning this to be a good thing. Blood, again, is on Obama's hands. More blood will be on his hands when these new five join the fight. I'm beginning to believe that he is a sick mo-fo that gets off on having control over life and death. What kind of person does this stuff? | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Fact is. Blair is the one that coaxed Bush to war. This is an irrefutable truth. Bush was neither smart or articulate enough to have got the backing without Blair's mouth and brain. It was Blair who told Saddam has NUCLEAR WMD's. This is the lie which Blair lead the UK into war hand in hand with the U.S. Blair did not go to war stating chemical weapons were the reason to do so. They were a substitute later when no nuclear weapons or capability were found. You can paint whatever picture you want after the facts, but the facts will always remain. Some just like whatever happened, and the outcome, enough to justify the lie that got the result wanted. Rocket in England | ||
| Xdigitalx |
What a stubborn sob! haha | ||
| Aesquire |
Sorry, Rocket. Blair may indeed have influenced, or even pushed Bush into freeing Iraq, but the propaganda you saw about nukes was not what we saw. The Iraqi Nuclear Program was, when the inspectors left Iraq, on hold. Not functional. We suspected, and confirmed, that the plans of Saddam were to restart it after the sanctions were ended. His biowarfare program was also not functional, on hold until after the end of sanctions, but we wrongly believed it capable of quick restart. Some think it would have taken at least a year to ramp up that program. I have some experience in making Pharmaceutical equipment used to grow large quantities of..... bacteria. IMHO the actual "bug" production could be done in months, but weaponizing it so as not to kill the people deploying it might indeed take years. The Anthrax captured in Iraq was a common strain. Not the stuff used in the Biological warfare attack on the US that murdered my fellow workers. THAT was a Soviet strain, weaponized by a Soviet technique that the US, I am told, cannot duplicate. The US Death Bugs uses a different technique, are not in mass production, and are lab experimental crap. Yes, a madman could start a horrible plague, but would probably not survive the attempt. Yeah, I do know too much about this stuff..... Family connections in the Big Pharma trade. The poison gas, however, was real. The UN counted shells, put seals on bunkers, and wrote innumerable reports. Then they got kicked out during the Clinton regime. When they went back in, the seals were gone, the weapons were missing, Saddam said they had been destroyed, and produced f** all evidence to support it. It's the 21st century, Osama Bin Laden was doing video from Pakistan laughing at how his minions were lied to in the Sept 11 2001 attacks on the US. Saddam never produced a minute of video showing the destruction of his WMDs. I've seen zero evidence that they were destroyed, except the word of Saddam after his capture that he had so ordered. This when we have the intercepted orders to move them to Syria, the reports of Israeli Intelligence on the convoys, and the interviews with the Russian General who organized and ran the convoys with spetsnaz troops in civilian garb. That, unfortunately, comes nowhere close to accounting for all the poison gas. Your "facts" seem to be lacking substance. You have been misled. Is it possible that you have been misled about all of the actions in Ukraine? I think so. I am NOT saying I believe Barry the Weasel. | ||
| Aesquire |
Oh, and the Easter Bunny? let me know if you want to know the truth. Don't want to freak anyone out. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
The Iraqi Nuclear Program was, when the inspectors left Iraq, on hold. Not functional. We suspected, and confirmed, that the plans of Saddam were to restart it after the sanctions were ended. No doubt about it. But no proof or evidence it would ever lead to weaponising. Saddam was very clear he wanted nuclear energy. It's why France opposed the war. Show me the weapons program was on hold. You can't. No one can. His biowarfare program was also not functional, on hold until after the end of sanctions, but we wrongly believed it capable of quick restart. Some think it would have taken at least a year to ramp up that program. I have some experience in making Pharmaceutical equipment used to grow large quantities of..... bacteria. IMHO the actual "bug" production could be done in months, but weaponizing it so as not to kill the people deploying it might indeed take years. You do realise how lame this sounds right? Saddam at best couldn't fire a ping pong ball further than he could spit yet you expect the world to swallow in years to come he could have landed a biochem missile in America. Yeah right. The Anthrax captured in Iraq was a common strain. Not the stuff used in the Biological warfare attack on the US that murdered my fellow workers. THAT was a Soviet strain, weaponized by a Soviet technique that the US, I am told, cannot duplicate. Actually it was U.S. manufactured and could only have come out of two labs. It was an inside job. The poison gas, however, was real. The UN counted shells, put seals on bunkers, and wrote innumerable reports. Then they got kicked out during the Clinton regime. When they went back in, the seals were gone, the weapons were missing, Saddam said they had been destroyed, and produced f** all evidence to support it. So let me get this right. Years later, after the Clinton regime, no chems were found? Strange how they've never been found 12 years after war either. Where do you imagine these huge piles of chem weapons are that couldn't be rid of by the Ruskies or trunked of to Syria under cover of the desert night? I mean if they existed they must still be somewhere. As you say, "That, unfortunately, comes nowhere close to accounting for all the poison gas". Perhaps this is why Saddam didn't make a video. He had nothing worthy of filming. As for Israeli intelligence. I wouldn't believe a f**king thing they reported after the lies that Netanyahu told of Saddam. Your "facts" seem to be lacking substance. You have been misled. Touche! Is it possible that you have been misled about all of the actions in Ukraine? I think the videos of Obama, Nuland, Kerry, Nazis, Psaki, and a lot more are pretty conclusive the U.S. are f**king about in Ukraine at the expense of many innocent lives. Frankly though, I wouldn't expect any American to be informed enough to see anything other than what you're meant to see. What else did the U.S. get wrong. Gaddafi behind the Lockerbie bombing when within weeks the Scottish police had identified the bomb, its maker and knew it was of Iranian origin made in Germany. Bin Laden behind 9/11. He just took the credit as it seemed like a good tactical move. Given the war on terror has actually bred more war from the nations the U.S. targeted and laid blame with, it doesn't look like America achieved anything other than to make the world less safe and drive a wedge between different cultures. Yep I'm pretty sure the U.S. is out for world domination.  Rocket in England | ||
| Sifo |
Saddam was very clear he wanted nuclear energy. You owe me a keyboard! | ||
| Sifo |
Hey, I'm just curious. Rocket - Do you see FrankFred as being credible? FrankFred - Do you see Rocket as being credible? | ||
| Reindog |
Rocket, why are you flying an American Flag out of your arse?  | ||
| Fredfast |
"FrankFred - Do you see Rocket as being credible?" I see you as being incredible. | ||
| Sifo |
I knew that Frank. That wasn't the question. | ||
| Aesquire |
Show me the weapons program was on hold. You can't. No one can. Um.... it wasn't active? So.... on hold. Yellow cake Uranium from Iraq now in Canada. Yep. On hold. Nonexistent has no evidence at all. Prove Putin is utterly innocent. Say... of telling Obama how he wants to his help to conquer Europe. Or sending unmarked troops into Ukraine. Go ahead. no one can prove a negative like that. he could have landed a biochem missile in America. Yeah right. You don't use ballistic missiles to deliver Biological warfare agents. You use the Mail. Or perhaps those air fresheners in airport bathrooms that spritz periodically. Last I looked very few nations have ICBMs. America, Russia, China, England, France? Germany could easily build them, as could the EU ( using, as is traditional, German Engineers ) India, Pakistan, and with some reservations, N. Korea, all have IRBMs. And India and Pakistan can and do have nukes that will fit them. N Korea may only be able to hit Japan or Alaska. Might miss. S. Korea has IRBMs, but no nukes. Israel has nukes, but no IRBMs, they depend on aircraft for delivery. ( or trucks, of course ) Iraq had IRBMs capable of delivering chemical and conventional warheads. Saddam used a lot of them. Remember the Scud Hunts? Iran has IRBMs and is working on a nuke. I'm astonished they don't already have one. Fission weapons are easy. They just tell you it's hard. You do need some fissile material, and that's supposed to be restricted. Read "The Curve Of Binding Energy" by McPhee. Actually it was U.S. manufactured and could only have come out of two labs. It was an inside job. Not factual. The murderer has not been caught. The Anthrax was a Soviet Strain. Bear in mind that since the fall of the Soviet Union the island they tested this crap on is now a peninsula. You can literally walk out and pick up samples. The nation that site is now in is not all that friendly to western civilization, and do not guard that area with any vigor. It's terrifying that someone can walk out and dig up some soil and have the seeds for the death of most of mankind. Still, the Anthrax that murdered MY fellow workers ( and a little old lady ) was weaponized, and despite the FBI hounding a geek to death, there is no evidence of "an inside job" using materials not available to anyone outside Vladimir Putin's nation. Prove to me it was "joe smith at 1313 mockingbird lane Camden NJ" and I will go kill him myself. But you can't. "Inside Job" is the refuge of incompetent conspiracy nuts. The person who told you that crap is an idiot. Years later, after the Clinton regime, no chems were found? Wrong. NOT ENOUGH were found. The UN inspectors count minus stuff actually found, comes thousands of tons short. It's doubtful that so much was sent to Syria. But much was. Here's an article I haven't read and can't vouch for. Be skeptical. ( better than blind belief ) http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/the-syria-wmd-co nspiracy/ An article I've read and am skeptical of. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2178883/ Syrias-chemical-weapons-arsenal.html Wikileaks says the Iraqi's sent stuff to Syria, but I won't go to their web site, or post a link, since my Antiviral program has a fit. And Colonel-General Vladislav Achatov or Colonel-General Igor Maltsev were supposed to be writing a tell all book. Haven't seen it yet. Don't know if either is still alive. Zero evidence of their destruction. Not enough found in Iraq, to date, to match the KNOWN inventory. Where are they? | ||
| Aesquire |
Sifo, patriots are always viewed with disbelief by soulless vessels of hate and lies. They can't believe in a higher cause, a noble endeavor, an absolute right. Not saying nothing, just saying.  Oh, and it's increasingly likely that Obama is lying through his teeth about Ukraine. Not that that makes Putin a saint. More antiaircraft missiles, more dead. | ||
| Fredfast |
"I knew that Frank. That wasn't the question." The name is Fred. | ||
| Fredfast |
"They can't believe in a higher cause, a noble endeavor, an absolute right." If that doesn't sound dictatorial, nothing does. Maybe the mantra of the Aryan Nation. (Message edited by fredfast on June 14, 2014) | ||
| Kenm123t |
Slow Freddy I see you were paid by your masters! Your last post displays your total lack of any moral or ethical thought. We can suggest a reading list when your ready to solidify the silly putty between your ears. Have a great service at the church of your choice and Happy Fathers Day ! | ||
| Kenm123t |
Oh I almost forgot Slow Freddy Did you flunk ethics and philosophy or couldn't even get in at the low level expected in the NE libtard wonderland? Freddy Socialists your semi soul mates were the Aryans Learn a little Deutsche and translate the NAZI acronym In short take a good if scary look in a mirror and you can see some Nazi peeking back at you. Living lower than even my low expectations of you! Your truly gifted. (Message edited by kenm123t on June 14, 2014) | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
A review of the scientific methods used in the investigation at the National Academy of Sciences, published in February 2011, cast doubt on the U.S. government's conclusion that Ivins was the perpetrator. The review report said that, although the type of anthrax used in the letters was correctly identified as the Ames strain of the bacterium, there was insufficient scientific evidence for the FBI's assertion that it originated from Ivins' laboratory. The FBI responded by pointing out that the review panel asserted that it would not be possible to reach a definite conclusion based on science alone, and said that a combination of factors led the FBI to conclude that Ivins had been the perpetrator The Ames strain is one of 89 known strains of the anthrax bacterium (Bacillus anthracis). It was isolated from a diseased 14-month-old Beefmaster heifer that died in Sarita, Texas in 1981. The strain was isolated at the Texas Veterinary Medical Diagnostic Laboratory and a sample was sent to the United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID). Researchers at USAMRIID mistakenly believed the strain came from Ames, Iowa because the return address on the package was the USDA's National Veterinary Services Laboratories in Ames and mislabeled the specimen. Last time I looked, Texas was definitely in the USA. You being the 'chemist' you're gonna tell me you know something different. Let me guess. You're geography's as bad as your pharmaceutical skills or the Beefmaster heifer had a Russian passport! Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Yellow cake Uranium from Iraq now in Canada. Yep. On hold. Low grade and a commonly traded commodity used for nuclear power generation - and a long way of being weapons grade. Iraq pursued nuclear power since the 1960's. Why would they not have yellow cake? You make it sound so conveniently like Iraq had nuclear warheads sat in silos pointed at America. Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
You don't use ballistic missiles to deliver Biological warfare agents. You use the Mail. Or perhaps those air fresheners in airport bathrooms that spritz periodically. Coming to an American shit house in a city near you anytime soon. Weapons Of Mass Destruction courtesy of Air Wick. This is what Bush went to war over, and not nuclear bombs? F**k me. Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
The link you posted, you've not read. I wouldn't bother. Your mate Goldberg's in it.... Goldberg noted that no country has “done more to rebuild” Saddam’s chemical and biological weapons programs or “been more aggressive in helping hide the truth” than Russia. He really has got an axe to grind. Oh wait. Maybe someone pays him to write this crap..... Rocket in England |
