| Author | Message | ||
     Reindog |
Russia did not invade and annex part of a sovereign country ... and the 40,000 Russian troops are on the border of the remainder of Ukraine to protect ... and the United States of America is evil What's next? That 9/11 was a Jewish conspiracy ... and the Moon landings were a hoax? ... and ? Fair is foul and foul is fair in Rocket's world. Scuse me as I am off to a Tea Party (the Lewis Carroll variety). | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
It is horrible that anyone has to die because of this. Putin needs to open his mouth, accept his loss and forget about Ukraine. What do the Pro-Russian extremists expect? Soft pillows? Putin is opening his mouth. He has called Obama (widely reported) several times. Lavrov has constantly protested the accusations of the U.S. to which their remains no proof despite blundered attempts otherwise by the U.S. to show Russian military supporting pro Russian citizens. One would imagine if Russian military were operating in east Ukraine, the pro Russian citizens would not be dying there. The reality on the ground is one of heavily armed pro Right Separatists groups ruling over and above the police and army. Also widely reported, to which Russia has continued to protest the U.S. administration to also use its influence with Kiev to halt these uprisings. This is not a one sided story as widely supported in the western press. There are reports of many citizens telling of the one sided press reports in the west supporting a pro Euro regime. Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Last I read anything from Rocket, Putin was going to stop at Crimea. Obviously wrong, even back then. Can you show that Putin didn't, and I was wrong? Having asked here for many days now, no one seems able to substantiate any claims Russia is operating inside Ukraine. I do stop in here on occasion to see what is going on over there though. I just can't see spending any of my time reading more of the propaganda the Rocket keeps posting. Why use me to see what's going on 'over there though'? You need not read my propaganda. Go educate yourself. Fill your boots. I'm all ears and as eager as anyone to find out who is doing what, truth, lies, just show it. My views are subject to an open mind. I acknowledge I am bad with this stuff sometimes, but you guys who are still having "conversation" on this topic make me feel pretty balanced. You would not know balance if it smacked you in the chops from reading anything here me thinks. Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Russia did not invade and annex part of a sovereign country ... and the 40,000 Russian troops are on the border of the remainder of Ukraine to protect ... and the United States of America is evil What's next? That 9/11 was a Jewish conspiracy ... and the Moon landings were a hoax? ... and ? Fair is foul and foul is fair in Rocket's world. Scuse me as I am off to a Tea Party (the Lewis Carroll variety). I'm delighted my comments here are having such an impact upon you. There must be some iron in my words of truth hitting home hard eh  Rocket in England | ||
| Aesquire |
Of course we don't have proof. Few of us believe a damn thing Obama says. Nobody on the planet believes Kerry. ( other than total fools that voted for the treasonous gigolo ) The trouble is what RTV says is exactly what we have heard before from the Soviets when they were lying with a big smile as they conquered Eastern Europe. You DO remember the mass murder of Ukrainians back in '32-33? The Conquest of Hungary? Romania? etc.? Here's a joke. I think. http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:SovietBrit ainMap.PNG I notice my ancestral home is listed as a nuclear test site. I'm not sure if the Irish would have noticed the change in policy 100 years ago. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Why should Putin open his mouth to Obama? He needs to re-affirm to the world and Ukraine that he has no intention of invading Ukraine,.. and no legal reason to. And to move his troops away from border... also to speak in way to NOT let the Russian speaking people Ukraine feel as though he will come and save them. The Ukraine Government has every right to take back what is theirs. The world is watching them... (as long as the Russian extremists don't capture and hold all of them reporters hostage) | ||
| Cataract2 |
Rocket, while I don't agree with everything you say. I have to say it's fun to watch them squirm right now and just put out the same BS they throw at anyone they disagree with. They can't even be bothered to refute you. This is entertaining. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
First... there was Comical Ali: http://youtu.be/yfAeMtcURg0 Soon to come to a youtube channel near you: Comical Lavrov...... Comical Putin...... | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
The trouble is what RTV says is exactly what we have heard before from the Soviets when they were lying with a big smile as they conquered Eastern Europe. You seem to have an issue with RTV, which is your problem, no one else's. That you make it the problem of others by discrediting the channel is what's wrong with your judgement. Who are you to put down an entire news channel sat in your comfy chair 6000 miles away from events in Ukraine? What do you actually know? SFA! It's what RTV is reporting which is what matters. If you can't believe what the truth is from many reports coming through, and dismiss ALL as rubbish or propaganda, all you serve to do is behave in a way exactly the same as your current administration. To get what they want no matter the cost. Similarly, it would seem that everyone protesting against Kiev's installed government is a Russian according to this idiotic blinkered attitude of yours and many like you. And let's not go back to the ancient history lessons please. Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Why should Putin open his mouth to Obama? He needs to re-affirm to the world and Ukraine that he has no intention of invading Ukraine,.. and no legal reason to. And to move his troops away from border... You are having a laugh right? Putin's must be sick of telling he's no interested in invading Ukraine. You have been following MANY links here where you can see and hear him saying exactly this? No thought not. No surprise there then. Putin won't move his troops anywhere. As he said just two days ago. America needs to stop telling Russia where it can position its own military inside its own country. Let alone how daft does it sound, America asking Russia to do so, Russia will do no such thing whilst American, UK, NATO continue to build up their military forces in neighbouring to Russia's western border countries. also to speak in way to NOT let the Russian speaking people Ukraine feel as though he will come and save them. Utter rubbish. Where has Putin spoken this schoolboy belief of yours? What he has said, and choosing his words carefully, is the current pro west administration running Ukraine with U.S. support and backing needs to be very careful if it turns on its own people. Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
The Ukraine Government has every right to take back what is theirs. The world is watching them... (as long as the Russian extremists don't capture and hold all of them reporters hostage) Ukraine belongs to its citizens. There is a lot of them who reject a Ukraine supported by the west, and seek to have Russia support their nation. But you're right, the Ukraine government do have a right to take back what is theirs. That would be the ELECTED Ukraine government of Yanukovych who was run out of office 12 hours after agreeing a multi billion dollar deal with Russia. Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Rocket, while I don't agree with everything you say. I have to say it's fun to watch them squirm right now and just put out the same BS they throw at anyone they disagree with. They can't even be bothered to refute you. This is entertaining. Careful there comrade. They'll have you too!  Good to know at least someone is following, and they don't agree with everything I say. Rocket in England | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Crimea has always been separate from Russia - from the time of Catherine the Great - it was the Riveria of Russia - but it was not owned in their culture - it was the Russian 'Vegas' what ever happened there, stayed there. It has never been a bastion of 'Russian' purity nor majority; it thrives on tourism, tax dodge, illicit behavior, and affords a warm sea side climate. it is as much 'Russian' as Guam is 'American' The bases and facilities in Crimea were LEASED back to Russia for Gas Credits - why would you lease - what you 'own' ? | ||
| Aesquire |
Similarly, it would seem that everyone protesting against Kiev's installed government is a Russian according to this idiotic blinkered attitude of yours and many like you. Never said that, never implied that. Didn't even think it. Don't put words in my mouth. I'm not supporting Obama's actions in the Ukraine. I don't even know what they are, what his motivation is, and who is bribing him. I'm willing to bet he's going to f it up. I Just refuse to trust without reason Russian tv, or US tv. ( also my phone won't play youtube, so I can't watch that stuff until I get out of work & get time.) You don't see ANY reason to doubt Russian news programing? Ever? Seriously? Why? And let's not go back to the ancient history lessons please. I suppose I'm really old then. I still remember Soviet lies quite clearly. Puppet governments, invasions to "save Russian speaking people", threats of nuclear war. Not from books, not ancient history, while I was alive and targeted by Soviet weapons. ( happens when you live & work on & near military bases/projects ) The Russians recently admitted to having pilots in combat in Korea. ( a bit before my time, that was my Father's war ) Funny, only after Russia admitted to that, was a US Navy Pilot allowed to claim 3 kills on Migs sent to attack his Carrier. 40+ years later. True, Putin had nothing to do with the Holodomor. It's not like he had a lot to do with WW2 either. And, certainly he doesn't wave a Soviet flag, but the flag of the Russian Federation. Still, how much continuity are we talking about here? The US & UK have policy changes every time a new party gets in power. usually they are small changes, sometimes, as with Obama, there are big ones, like his hatred for England. Sometimes little ones, ( pick your local dumbness ) but that lack of consistency makes Republics hard to deal with on the world stage. Sucks, but nothing to be done without changing to monolithic dictatorships. ( they are easy to understand. Until the Glorious Leader & all his heirs are killed, what you see today is what you get ) How much is Russia still run by the old Soviet machine? Putin very much impressed me with his cool and knowledge in his Annual Q&A. But I also know he was KGB. ( as George Herbert Walker Bush was CIA.... but in very different careers ) I know he has had power struggles with other former Soviet jerks, but I don't know how Soviet is Russian leadership today. If you can doubt the news during the Regan years, or Clinton years, and still doubt the BS that comes out of the Obama years, ( Bear in mind I may agree with you ) then why should I not doubt the Putin years? So, Soros? he supposedly made a mega fortune on the Pound & Rubel, there must be some mention of him in UK news? | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/377126/bengh azi-made-simple-jonah-goldberg I said nukes aren’t the most dangerous legacy, the half-life of Soviet lies are: Some might say the military-industrial complex or the national-security state. But not me. To me, the most obvious dangerous legacy of the Cold War would have to be the damage the Soviets did to the world. I don’t mean the millions they murdered; those dead do not threaten us now, even if they should haunt us. I mean the relentless distortion of the truth, the psychological violence they visited on the West and the World via their useful idiots and their agents. I’m thinking not merely of the intellectual corruption of the American Left (which even folks like Richard Rorty had to concede), but the corruption of reformers and their movements around the globe. Soviet propaganda still contaminates, while nuclear fallout does not. Lies about America, the West, and the nature of democratic capitalism live on throughout the third world and in radioactive pockets on American campuses. The Soviet effort to foster wars of national liberation, to poison the minds of the “Bandung Generation,” to deracinate cultures from their own indigenous building blocks of democracy, to destroy non-Marxist competitors interested in reform, to create evil and despotic regimes that are seen as “authentic” because they represent the “true will” of their subjugated and beaten down peoples: these seem to me to amount to the most dangerous legacy of the Cold War. Not least because it was those sorts of efforts that gave birth to North Korea in the first place. | ||
| Aesquire |
But, Russia is Not the Soviet Union. So it may be unfair of me to judge Vladimir as a former KGB thug, but instead should see him as a shining example of Democratic reform, and as a champion for freedom. Need a bit more evidence. | ||
| Alfau |
Hey fatso! If I were an overgrown mountain of blubber like you I would forget Vladimir and save myself by urgently going on a diet. Intelligent idiot. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Crimea has always been separate from Russia - from the time of Catherine the Great - it was the Riveria of Russia - but it was not owned in their culture - it was the Russian 'Vegas' what ever happened there, stayed there. It has never been a bastion of 'Russian' purity nor majority; it thrives on tourism, tax dodge, illicit behavior, and affords a warm sea side climate. it is as much 'Russian' as Guam is 'American' The bases and facilities in Crimea were LEASED back to Russia for Gas Credits - why would you lease - what you 'own' ? Aside from splitting hairs which don't need splitting, perhaps because Russia doesn't want expansionism or to create a new Republic of Russia - very much the opposite of the U.S. then. Clearly Russia and Crimea have worked in harmony for several decades so what BS do you want us to believe now. That Putin cracks a long military wip there and the citizens live under a tyrannical master? Crimean's voted. The U.S. didn't step in with an alternative party and manifesto did they. Why? Even Crimea is a bridge too far for U.S. meddling. Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
The Soviet effort to foster wars of national liberation, to poison the minds of the “Bandung Generation,” to deracinate cultures from their own indigenous building blocks of democracy, to destroy non-Marxist competitors interested in reform, to create evil and despotic regimes that are seen as “authentic” because they represent the “true will” of their subjugated and beaten down peoples: these seem to me to amount to the most dangerous legacy of the Cold War. Not least because it was those sorts of efforts that gave birth to North Korea in the first place. PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE THIS IS HAPPENING - WHERE ANY OF THIS IS TRUE. You're content to link Jonah Goldberg to the point you'll cut 'n' paste and highlight in blue, happy to quote this Neocon twat as if he's some unbiased philanthropic humanist when he's clearly anything but. Why would it be important to him, and to you, to paint Russia into a 'cold war' historical nasty nation past never to be trusted? Putin himself speaks of a cold Russia as a distant past, and one can understand why he has the need to with idiots like Goldberg reminding the world of the old Soviet Russia which existed behind a stone wall. Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
But, Russia is Not the Soviet Union. So it may be unfair of me to judge Vladimir as a former KGB thug, but instead should see him as a shining example of Democratic reform, and as a champion for freedom. Need a bit more evidence. Sorry but your coat of two colours, and a seemingly open mindedness to not take sides is a little transparent. You do not come across to me as someone willing to consider Russia or Putin's stand. More someone who doesn't approve of his own government and wants to disassociate himself from some of that governments policies is all. You can excuse yourself from your governments less than favourable to you policies, but doing so doesn't make you anymore able to opinion an open minded view when you taint that view with your dislike and distrust of a foreign government you know little about, and would have the likes of the Jonah Goldberg's of your world as sources of your opinion. Instead you should trust your eyes and your ears, as reality and truth is often within the source, even when the source is trying hard to cover the truth up. But don't let me tell you how to suck eggs. But then I'm not the one willing to dismiss a whole news agency based on an ancient belief 'the Commie's are coming'. Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
You don't see ANY reason to doubt Russian news programing? Ever? Seriously? Why? Not that I actually said that. I'm more likely to trust it when it's clear the U.S. are manipulating the western press - but that tide might just be starting to turn now. Read the stat's. We in the west have relied upon U.S. networks for decades. With channels such as Al Jazeera and RT News the world can look through alternative eyes. I doubt RT would have any credibility if it were as you describe it, as a Russian propaganda machine. RT's awards, and seemingly respected position in the world of global news reporting suggests it's less likely a source of Russian propaganda and probably much much less so than Voice of America, CBS, NBC etc is to America. Rocket in England | ||
| Aesquire |
"Where any of this is true" Planet Earth. Marxism has murdered more people than the Black Death. The rhetoric used, the appeal to memories of previous invasions of Russia, nazis, save the Russian speakers, blame it all on the rich...... quality agitprop from ancient history. Obama uses it daily. ( not about Ukraine...... about his domestic enemies ) When did this new and completely unrelated to the Soviets nation ever support terrorist regimes like Syria & Iran? 50 years ago? Tuesday? I can understand supporting the Syrian Alawite regime. The warm water port issue has long been a Russian problem. The Iranian support seems to be classic anti West moves. You'd think by now even American leftists would realize the Jihadi would line them up to be shot first. ( they still don't ) Russia has to know better given their experience in Chechnya. So the US leftist idiot reasons to support the Iranian mullahs shouldn't apply here. So why? It's true I want to disassociate myself from the current regime's actions. ........pretty much across the board. You don't seem to want to support the UK position either. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Hey fatso! If I were an overgrown mountain of blubber like you I would forget Vladimir and save myself by urgently going on a diet. Intelligent idiot. Not quite sure who you're referring to, though you're right to sign as 'Intelligent idiot'. This topic has long since had no place for your personal diatribe. Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
You don't seem to want to support the UK position either. I most definitely don't! I also do not remember a time when dinosaurs walked the earth, but they did. Nothing lasts forever. Russia and its history is no different. Rocket in England | ||
| Aesquire |
I do agree the US press has lost credibility. The Saudi view is growing in power world wide. Ditto the UEA. Recently the oil sheiks sponsored a big budget anti fracking movie to keep the money coming. Local cable has more Bollywood than Russian news. Chinese news? That we got. They haven't changed regimes. College town so they cater to the demographic. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
THE TURNING TIDE OF WESTERN JOURNALISM From The Guardian. Rather telling how they're saying what I've been saying here for weeks http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/ 30/russia-ukraine-war-kiev-conflict Rocket in England | ||
| Aesquire |
Dinosaurs..... yes indeed. We recently lost the last admitted Klansmen in Congress. ( it seems half the buildings, bridges and roads in his state have his name on them) yet his Party still has power. The current racist immigration laws were written by another recently deceased. Ted Kennedy. Don't even get me started on the R Party's fossils. We need to fire all these people. | ||
| Aesquire |
comment from link above. Yeah, I'm torn between my disdain for the homophobic scumbag that is Putin (who is reportedly a huge ABBA fan, btw), and my hatred for the blood thirsty Obama regime. Hard not to just shrug one's shoulders and jwait for the apocalypse with a pint in one's hand. I like Harp Lager. You? | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Always been a bitter man myself. Recent years I've sweetened a bit. A good pint of real cider does it for me. Rocket in England | ||
| Aesquire |
Guinness? An acquired taste. Hard to find good cider, but it's out there. Since being in the SCA and meeting several master brewers I've enjoyed some excellent mead. There's a near local ( hour drive ) Meadery that makes swill, but the homebrewed stuff can be great or horrid. Helps that one of the brewers I know wins the State fair contest every year ( at least one Gold & Silver ) and another not only subs at a major brewery, but is building his own in PA. He already has Hops growing on his property, and a neighbor of his grows some strain of wheat only grown on his farm, and the Orkney Islands. So he's planning an authentic Orkney brew. ( He spent his honeymoon there and at other breweries in the UK, including Lindisfarne. ( IIRC the oldest operating brewery in the world ) |
