| Author | Message | ||
     Aesquire |
That only vaguely looks like Milla. | ||
| Hughlysses |
More Milla!  | ||
| Aesquire |
Sifo that study came out a few months ago during the Colorado pot thing iirc. I don't deny it I'm just skeptical. Needs more study. I think the NYS legislators brain disections would be a logical next step. I assure you it won't change their votes. | ||
| Slaughter |
Something that few people see (but us pilots DO) - is that ANY prescribed psychoactive meds mean you can no longer pilot ANY aircraft. | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
Are cigarettes the gateway drug to pot? Is not accepting jesus as your personal saviour as a parent inviting homosexuality to your children? What are some other hardcore conservative beliefs we can make our politicians run on before this next important election. Can we one up the idea that getting pregnant from rape is a gift from God? Lets run on that and also throw in the notion that total public surveillance is being patriotic. By all means lets help get democratic seats in the senate, lose the house and put hillary or elizibeth"two feathers" warren in the white house. | ||
| Hughlysses |
^ Throw a couple of firebombs in the thread. That's a great way to further reasoned discussion on the subject. It's hardly accurate to attach opposition to marijuana strictly to conservatives. Dr. Sanjay Gupta was an advisor to Hillary Clinton and bought into the anti-MJ arguments until very recently (see link I posted early). On the other hand, William F. Buckley, the father of the modern conservative movement, advocated complete drug legalization: http://fortheargument.com/2012/09/12/william-f-buc kley-and-the-absurd-war-on-drugs/ And besides, there's always Milla...  | ||
| Slaughter |
Breast-feeding is the gateway to pot. Milla... | ||
| Aesquire |
Saw a PBS debate on drugs. "Is the drug war a failure?" That was the question before the panel. One one side WF Buckley, the doc in charge of Brooklyn ER's, and a journalist. Other side had the doc who saved the Navy from the serious drug problems they had in the 70's, a congressman, and a journalist. Everyone agreed that the drug war was a failure. The one side insisted we had to crack down on drugs harder and never mind that most of the prison population was in for drug crime. Buckley & crew were for legalizing drugs. The most telling argument was the ER doc. He said the vast majority of ER admissions were drug related. That NYC Only had 8 od's a year what the problem was turf wars. The same thing happened with prohibition. (With far more bad booze deaths ) What was the vote breakdown in Colorado? Libertarians would have no illegal drugs on principles. I'm not that libertarian but I'm not conservative either. | ||
| Aesquire |
Cigarettes are the gateway to cocaine. ........or at least most coke heads smoke. I interpret that to say they have addictive personalities/metabolisms. | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
Iam tired of progressives using these asinine issues to mobilize millions of voters. You dont need to be pro legalization or a subscriber to high times, just let states/voters determine whats acceptable to them. How many of you that are anti legalization know someone that is addicted to over the counter pain meds? | ||
| Hughlysses |
Dammit- 4 posts and no Milla?  | ||
| Fast1075 |
My best friend checked himself out with a .44 because his pain med prescription ran out (oxycontin), and nothing else could control the pain. He had severe nerve damage in his face and eyes from shingles and was in excruciating burning pain all the time. Really sad. He was brilliant, one of the most intelligent people I ever knew, and a master with sheet metal. | ||
| Aesquire |
Once upon a time. Nixon started the "war on drugs" to combat the narcoterrorism of N. Vietnam pushing heroin to US Troops. He signed a bill to spend tax money on treatment. It was supposed to be an addiction treatment movement. Then Congress saw a way to take power and made it a crime issue with no limits on violations of freedom. Here we are. A few years back a local rural county spent millions on aerial surveillance. Federal grant. Airplane with IR camera photographing everyone's house looking for indoor pot farms. Total county budget for drug treatment? $ 2000. A year. My bud and I would go out on his porch and light cigars as the plane flew over every week midnight like clockwork. $20+ million. Fast. Sorry to hear about your friend. Pain meds are a major problem for a lot of people. The laws are insane. Drugs are a major part of the progressive agenda. Promoting power to "fight drugs" from ex hippies. Ironic. | ||
| Sifo |
Sifo that study came out a few months ago during the Colorado pot thing iirc. The article I posted said it was just being published the day after the article. I think we may be looking at different studies. Or perhaps something was leaked before publication was in stone. Hard for me to say unless you dig up what you saw previously. I saw no politics in what I posted though. It's hardly accurate to attach opposition to marijuana strictly to conservatives. Dr. Sanjay Gupta was an advisor to Hillary Clinton and bought into the anti-MJ arguments until very recently (see link I posted early). Of course, according to the link you provided earlier, he ha only come out in favor of medical use of pot, not recreational. You seem to conveniently morph what he said into being in favor of all pot use. Everyone agreed that the drug war was a failure. Yes it was/is. As was the war on [insert your favorite government cause]. The one side insisted we had to crack down on drugs harder and never mind that most of the prison population was in for drug crime. I hear this often. I ask for valid references often. I've never seen valid references. I've looked for them. I'm skeptical. Libertarians would have no illegal drugs on principles. I'm not that libertarian but I'm not conservative either. I'm libertarian enough to want to let people do as they please up to the point that it causes me problems. I'm not stupid enough to believe that drug use doesn't cause me problems. What to do? My best friend checked himself out with a .44 because his pain med prescription ran out (oxycontin), and nothing else could control the pain. Chronic pain is pretty awful. I was dealing with chronic back pain around 10 years ago. After about 6 months of my life being completely turned upside down, and seldom sleeping, I can understand your friends decision. My back problems got better, but have never gone away. Temporary pain from injury or surgery is easy to deal with for me. Far milder pain that has no end in sight can have you consider ANYTHING that will make the pain stop. As I mentioned earlier in this thread, I just can't see pot being that fix. Certainly not in my experience at least. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see perfectly reasonable medical uses for pot (more likely an extract or synthesized component) for some medical conditions. What CA did with their medical MJ laws is a joke though. | ||
| Sifo |
Almost forgot...  | ||
| Two_seasons |
^^does she have a diaper on?^^  Had to throw that one in gentlemen. Carry on! | ||
| Aesquire |
Thanks for the pic  With you on the pot as pain medication. Asprin is probably better but it does help you forget pain as it has an analogue of the female hormone that lets women forget labor pain. Also helps you forget where you put your keys. Also agree CA law is a joke. The benefit for chemo patients is imho the best proven good. That I can get a script for anxiety? Lol. The hardcore libertarian view is a bit beyond me. I'm Too practical. I can almost see the sense in accepting a higher rate of od's in return for a lot less murder over drug turf. Evolution in action. Yet I have a hard time justifying cocaine being legal. The black market problem is the best argument against drug laws....... I just have seen too many lives destroyed. I don't have the answers here. Conflicted. | ||
| Sifo |
The one side insisted we had to crack down on drugs harder and never mind that most of the prison population was in for drug crime. A bit more on this comment. Wikipedia can be pretty unreliable as a source, but it does provide easy access to some info. I would certainly be open to better sources if anyone finds them. So here's a few quotes from Wiki on the percentage of people in prison on drug charges...
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_ United_States So 22% in federal prisons, and 20% in state prisons are in there on drug charges. That's a far cry from the "most" claim. Put that aside for a moment though. The real tell here is that 3.7% in state prison have their highest conviction on a drug possession charge. That seems to tell me that 16.3% in state prisons on drug charges also have more serious convictions. So it seems pretty safe to say that the real number of people incarcerated in state and federal prisons is something close to 4%, probably a bit below that. What's not clear at all from this is how serious was the crime of possession that they were convicted of. I would tend to believe that most are in there for possession of quantities that would make them drug traffickers as opposed to the guy who got caught with a joint in his pocket. In short, you seem to be repeating bad information in this case. I know it's repeated often enough that the lie is becoming truth, but that doesn't make it true. Like I have said, I would be open to hearing something different from a credible source, but I doubt that a credible source is going to be much different than what Wikipedia has on basic regurgitation of numbers. | ||
| Sifo |
Forgot again!  | ||
| Aesquire |
Thank you. For the pic and the correction. | ||
| Sifo |
Your welcome. I've run across some harder to find pictures. Keep the discussion going.   | ||
| Hughlysses |
Like somebody told me once, there are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. Hard to find unbiased numbers about anything.  Her FB profile pic. | ||
| Aesquire |
 Milla may just be what convinces me that ID is real.  Not science, just real. This has to be the sign of a Divine hand at work. But, hey, I could be wrong. But just look at this pic................... What were we talking about? | ||
| Aesquire |
Now this is off topic, and belongs in the Ukraine thread... Another Ukrainian lady.  MTV movie awards best villain 2014. | ||
| Aesquire |
Sorry about that, back on topic.  | ||
| Sifo |
Hard to find unbiased numbers about anything. True... But can you even find biased numbers that support the idea that most people in prison are there on drug charges? Every thread should have some bike content...     I think I've developed an addiction! | ||
| Hughlysses |
This has to be the sign of a Divine hand at work. Amen, brother. Obligatory Milla content:  (Message edited by Hughlysses on April 23, 2014) | ||
| Sifo |
I've been scrolling through an alphabetical database. I'm still in the "A" section. I did get down to the "Autograph..." part though.       Not sure how rate getting this?  | ||
| Sifo |
Looks like the French have teamed up with the American Heart Association in a clearly political move releasing another study about the harmful effects of pot. Marijuana may cause heart problems in young adults Good thing that so many of us are smart enough to understand that pot, like most other toxins, have no adverse side effects. That's worthy of some B&W action!              | ||
| Sifo |
I can't claim to know anything about the National Institute on Drug Abuse. I have no idea where they get funding. They could be a racist right-wing hate group. Based on what friends have told me though, this isn't too shocking. Study: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of Nicotine Addiction So in light of this new study...     |
121][122] half of all persons incarcerated under state jurisdiction are for non-violent offenses, and 20% are incarcerated for drug offenses (in state prisons, federal prison percentages are higher).