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     Reindog |
Because of the Nazi-like actions of the Left at Mozilla, I am leaving Firefox for Chrome. I recommend all of you do likewise. Uninstall Firefox By Dennis Prager · Apr. 8, 2014 In 31 years of broadcasting, and 40 years of writing, I have never advocated a boycott of a product. Quite the opposite, in fact. During the 2012 presidential campaign, when the left attempted to destroy Chick-Fil-A for its owner's views on same-sex marriage, I suggested on my radio show that the Republican candidate, Mitt Romney, stand in front of a Chick-Fil-A restaurant while enjoying some Ben and Jerry's ice cream. In that way, I argued, he could show one of the great moral differences between the right and the left. Though Ben and Jerry are leftists, we conservatives do not believe that company owners' views should matter to consumers. We believe that products should speak for themselves. If the ice cream is good, despite whatever repugnance we might feel regarding the views of the makers of that ice cream, we will still purchase it. The left does not see things that way. The left is out to crush individuals and companies with whom it differs. This is especially so today on the issue of same-sex marriage. Perhaps the most dramatic example of this took place last week. The governing board of the widely used browser, Firefox, forced the company's CEO, Brendan Eich, to resign. The Firefox board had learned that in 2008, Eich donated $1,000 to the Proposition 8 campaign in California. Proposition 8 amended the California Constitution to define marriage as the union of one man and one woman. In classic Communist fashion, gay rights organizations demanded that Eich publicly recant. When Eich did not, gay rights and other leftist organizations called for a boycott of Firefox. Firefox immediately forced Eich out. All these years, the left, after coining the term “McCarthyism” in order to disparage the right, had fooled most people into believing that it is the right that suppresses liberty. The truth, of course, has been the opposite. Worldwide, with the exception of Nazi Germany (which was a uniquely race-based totalitarianism, neither left nor right – while it rejected Marxist class-based struggle, it supported socialism (“Nazism” was short for National Socialism), every genocidal totalitarian regime of the 20th century was leftist. And domestically, too, the left has much less interest in liberty than in forcing people to act in accord with its values. A totalitarian streak is part of the left's DNA. How you think matters and what you do away outside of work matters: More than 20 states prohibit judges from being leaders in the Boy Scouts – because the left deems the Boy Scouts homophobic. During the McCarthy era, the left (and not only the left) screamed when people were falsely charged with supporting Stalin and Communism, one of the greatest evils in human history. But the left also screamed when people who really did aid and abet Stalin were dismissed from their jobs. In other words, for those on the left who celebrate Eich's ouster, it was evil to deprive a man who supported Stalin of a job, but it is right to fire a man who supports the man-woman definition of marriage. Such is the left's moral compass. It is important to further note that gay employees at Firefox acknowledge that Eich never discriminated against gays, whether in employment, benefits or any other way. But that doesn't matter to the left because a totalitarian streak is part of the left's DNA. As Princeton Professor of Jurisprudence Robert George warned on my radio show, today the left fires employees for opposition to same-sex marriage. Tomorrow it will fire employees who are pro-life (“anti-woman”). And next it will be employees who support Israel (an “apartheid state”). The reason to boycott Firefox is not that it is run by leftists. Nor is the reason to support the man-woman definition of marriage. It is solely in order to preserve liberty in the land of liberty. If Firefox doesn't recant and rehire Eich as CEO, McCarthyism will have returned far more pervasively and perniciously than in its first incarnation. The message the gay left (such as the Orwellian-named Human Rights Campaign) and the left in general wish to send is that Americans who are in positions of power at any company should be forced to resign if they hold a position that the left strongly opposes. And right now that position is opposition to same-sex marriage. Think about that. In the United States of America today, the belief that marriage should remain defined as the union of a man and woman is portrayed as so vile by the left that anyone who holds it is unfit for employment. A handful of those on the gay (and straight) left have spoken out against the forced resignation of Eich. If their words are to mean anything, they must join in the call to boycott Firefox. Otherwise, their protestations are meaningless, made solely to preserve their moral credibility. The battle over Firefox is the most important battle in America at this particular moment. If you use Firefox, uninstall it. Instead use Internet Explorer, Chrome, Opera, Safari, or try Pale Moon for Windows, which is based on the Firefox engine and will import all of your bookmarks. For mobile devices, you can try Puffin. America can have liberty or it can have Firefox. Right now, it cannot have both. source: http://patriotpost.us/opinion/24678 | ||
| Gbackus |
You do realize the fact that Google makes up the majority of mozillas income, an it is in fact the direct relationship with google that Eich was convinced to leave, and now you are going to support that? | ||
| Reindog |
gbackus: What do you suggest to fight the new McCarthyism? | ||
| Xdigitalx |
I use IE and will look at the other, I really need an alternative for Thunderbird. Will just keep using it for now. (Use it to promote traditional marriage) FYI, I could care less if you wanna marry a same sex person, a poodle or a rock,... but in no way shape or form will it ever be a real traditional marriage. I would like a way to easily distinguish them from one another (because they are not and will not ever be the same). I thought calling them a Civil Union was a great way. | ||
| Gbackus |
I'm not suggesting anything. Mostly I just like to laugh at the knee jerk reactions from both sides. Benefit of being a pro-gun, pro-choice, pro-liberty, and pro-personal responsibility voter I guess. Then again I get screwed on all sides, rand Paul 2016? | ||
| Sifo |
I would like to find an alternative too. I'm using Firefox and Thunderbird. Like them both. I don't really care what their stance is on gay marriage. What I do care about is that they claim to be inclusive and welcoming of all peoples ideas and beliefs, but they have prove by action to be anything but that. Anything Google related isn't exactly high on my list for many factors. | ||
| Aesquire |
Your opinion on the subject of marriage is your opinion. The problem is the Gestapo tactics of the political entities involved. When gay leftist activists complain that the gay leftist power block is being tyrannical, it probably has gone full Nazi. "If you disagree we will destroy you" is pure freaking evil. NO MATTER THE SUBJECT. Global Climate folk want those who disagree killed or in prison. Paula Dean said a bad word half a century ago and she Must Be Destroyed. I could go on. This torques me off. I'm pro choice across the board. You don't want to marry a person of the same sex? Don't. You don't want to have kids? Don't. You want to take away my choices? Don't. | ||
| Pwnzor |
I got rid of Firefox because it was slow. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
I wont go chrome because google is all intrusive - it is worse than the over helpful Einstein icon in MS Office that pesters you about grammar I use Yandex for searches; more relevant, faster, and supports cyrillic search queries The only thing same sex marriages will lead to .... is same sex divorce. Let them have some of that ; fair being fair. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
I am viewing this thread in Firefox right now. | ||
| Cataract2 |
I am viewing this thread in Firefox right now. Same here. Also laughing at the uninformed knee jerk reactions. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
um... and what do you call the laughing? elbow-jerk reaction to the reaction? (in the funny bone I guess).. lol I use IE, I never liked Mozilla, Ugly and slow... only used it a couple times to install my poker software, but other than that you can keep it. But I do have to use thunderbird... I know of no other software like it. Probably unsafe to have all emails in one place but I was used to outlook express, the website email for Comcast/xfinity and godaddy would prob be safest, but very time consuming. So... I guess it is no big deal that the founder lost his job then? For Prop 8 donation?? The reasons are justified in your opinion?? I think is pretty effed up. Really just a tad curious, but don't worry, I will probably still use Thunderbird regardless. | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
It's really hard to understand this moron pack mentality. The chickfila guy said that he didn't agree with gay marriage. That doesn't mean that people need to draw up lines and go there on purpose/avoid that place. ONE guy's opinion. The correct responses are as follows: #1 "I agree with your point of view" #2 "I do not agree with your point of view" Not "Burn this place to the ground!!" Not "Eat chicken!!!" Also, Who cares what some guy does with his dick? I just don't get it. If he's not doing it to YOU against your will, why would you care? If he doesn't understand how vaginas are awesome, that's his problem not yours, not mine, not Mozilla, not Subway, and not radio shack. In other words, I will continue to use firefox as I have always used a mozilla variant since netscape 1.XXXXX | ||
| Reindog |
Please explain those "kneejerk reactions". Are you saying you support what was done to Brendan Eich? This man was ousted solely for holding the exact same beliefs that Obama held two years ago. Do you really want to live in a hyper-political world where your employment is mainly dependent on your political or religious beliefs? Really?????? I, too, am using my Firefox browser which I am comfortable with and have been using since its launch. I am saddened that I can not support Mozilla directly anymore. It was the Mozilla board, not Google, that ousted Eich and then responded with an utterly Orwellian response. Mozilla must leave my house but I will give them a little time to correct this situation first. | ||
| Cataract2 |
Rein, why don't you stop typing and start reading for a minute for once in your miserable life. You do realize the fact that Google makes up the majority of mozillas income, an it is in fact the direct relationship with google that Eich was convinced to leave, and now you are going to support that? Your post started off about removing Firefox and going with Chrome. Whoops, what do you know. Like I said, knee jerk uninformed. The lot of you. This place is just to much. | ||
| Blake |
>>> Who cares what some guy does with his dick? Not the issue. The issue is the redefinition of marriage. It's peculiar how the two completely different issues are so often conflated. I'll try to explain. As disgusting, filthy, and disease infested as the vile practice of anal sodomy might be, we're not saying man on man consensual anal sodomy should be illegal. We're saying that it's just not the same as marriage and the natural procreative joining of husband and wife, and that said natural union deserve the respect and honor of having its own name, "marriage." That said,my here certainly could be made a very strong case in the interest of public health to ban homosexual anal sodomy. There's a VERY good reason why homosexual/bisexual men are banned from donating blood. They are 8000% more likely to be infected with HIV/AIDS, and a host of other very serious STDs. Yeah, why should you care? Never hate your fellow man. But failing to stand for anything can lead to falling for everything. | ||
| Ezblast |
Been at Chrome for over a year. Smoother and a lot less bogging down when running multiple screens of 12 or more at once. Firefox always ends up having issues after running for any period of time. EZ | ||
| Gbackus |
Marriage is not natural. It is a man created institution to show ownership and try to guarantee that the children he is fostering are indeed his offspring. The only real benefits to marriage in today's society(specifically the US) are monetary. Why should gay couples be denied that right? | ||
| Hootowl |
"marriage in today's society(specifically the US) are monetary. Why should gay couples be denied that right?" They're not. Civil unions provide all the legal and financial benefits of marriage without changing the definition of marriage. But that's not what they want. They want societal approval, and they see co-opting marriage as a means to that end. | ||
| Reindog |
Most of you are missing the point. The politically correct actions of Mozilla threaten anyone who doesn't "think" correctly. Once started and accepted, then the pendulum scythe will cut down everyone, not just a liberal or a conservative. Are you a supporter of traditional marriage? Do you own a gun? Have you ever donated to the NRA? Have you ever donated to Planned Parenthood? Are you a homo? Are you not a homo? Are you a Democrat? Do you believe in God? These questions have absolutely no bearing on one's ability to do their job. Is this the politically correct, intolerant society that you want to build? We are inching towards one of the freedoms that Adolph Hitler guaranteed to the German People: the Freedom to Starve.  (Message edited by reindog on April 09, 2014) | ||
| Sifo |
We are inching towards one of the freedoms that Adolph Hitler guaranteed to the German People: the Freedom to Starve. Inching toward? Progressives have the pedal to the metal! | ||
| Reindog |
The Rise of American Totalitarianism By Ben Shapiro · Apr. 9, 2014 excerpt: Last Thursday, Mozilla, the company that's home to the web browser Firefox, forced the resignation of CEO Brendan Eich. What, precisely, had Eich done wrong? Back in 2008, Eich had donated $1,000 to the Proposition 8 effort backing traditional marriage in California. Dating website OKCupid posted a ban on Firefox traffic, issuing a message to Firefox users instead: “Those who seek to deny love and instead enforce misery, shame, and frustration are our enemies, and we wish them nothing but failure.” That ban reportedly prompted the action at Mozilla. Of course, it was the people pushing for Eich's ouster who were enforcing “misery, shame, and frustration.” Eich had never brought his politics into the workplace. Mozilla had no history of treating homosexuals differently, and no single instance of Eich doing so could be documented. Nonetheless, he had violated the dictates of the Thought Police. And thus he was ousted. excerpt: When fascism comes, it will come not with jackboots but with promises of a better world. The jackboots come later, when we've all been shamed into silence – when we've been taught that to allow that with which we disagree is to agree with it, and when we've accepted that the best method of preventing such disagreement is government power. We're on the verge. All it will take is the silence of good people – people on all sides of the political aisle – who fall prey to the ultimate temptation in a republic: the temptation to force their values on others utilizing the machinery of government. We're already more than halfway there. source: http://patriotpost.us/opinion/24706 (Message edited by reindog on April 09, 2014) | ||
| Pwnzor |
Well if I still had Firefox, I would get rid of it for these reasons... However, I ditched it about 3 years ago because it was a crappy browser. | ||
| Teeps |
Opera? | ||
| Aesquire |
Blake the issue is not where you put your genitals. Not a marriage issue. Not a sex issue. It's a Freedom issue. If you can have your job or your life wrecked by an opinion you had off the job. If you're in fear of expressing yourself in a polite manner because of special privilege groups, your freedom is stolen. | ||
| Reindog |
Holman Jenkins: Mozilla Makes the World a Better Place An episode of political revenge gives rise to a useful backlash. Of all the cheap thrills that life affords, self-righteousness is one of the grossest: A moment on the lips, forever on the hips, with a moral weight for which the only relief is repentance. The boys of online dating site OkCupid should be feeling the bloat right now. Their site played a role in last week's purge of Mozilla's Brendan Eich, when they hectored visitors to stop using the Firefox browser because Mr. Eich donated money to a 2008 California referendum in favor of reserving marriage for a man and woman. Ranted OkCupid co-founder Christian Rudder: "Those who seek to deny love and instead enforce misery, shame and frustration are our enemies, and we wish them nothing but failure." Uh huh. It will be more of a lasting benefit to society to repudiate OkCupid's marketing stunt than it ever was to hound Mr. Eich from his job. Hampton Catlin, a noted developer who had criticized Mozilla, has already publicly regretted the outcome. Andrew Sullivan, a blogger and pioneering same-sex marriage campaigner, pronounced his disgust with the intolerance shown Mr. Eich. Barry Diller, whose company owns OkCupid, tells us: "I think it's more than unfortunate—private political action is no one's business, and to make it a public issue is wrong." An act of national character strengthening is taking place, and it would be good if OkCupid took part. What is OkCupid? The website created by four Harvard grads is free to users and less pompous than many online dating sites. Mr. Rudder once maintained a lavishly admired blog that plumbed OkCupid's user data to let the world know that Twitter users masturbate frequently and beer drinkers are more likely to have sex on the first date. In 2012, OkCupid's founders collected a "Humanist of the Year" award from a Harvard group devoted to a life untainted by "supernaturalism." The "Friendly Atheist" blogger gushed that other dating websites fail to "cater to atheists and agnostics quite like OkCupid does." Perhaps the founders imagine themselves taboo shatterers. Young polemicists, when you find yourself intoxicated by your own rhetoric, it's more usually a sign that you've outrun good judgment and justice. Analogies are useful because they are inexact. If two things are identical, they are not two things, and the fight for marriage equality is not identical to the fight for racial equality. No marriage law that we've heard of has a sexual preferences test. Gay men and lesbians have availed themselves of the uses of lawful marriage as long as marriage has been around. At the same time, in a society founded on individual liberty, people are free to have relationships without needing the government's blessing. Indeed, a libertarian doubt about gay marriage might be hatched by noticing that a community that once stood for the principle "our relationships are righteous because they are freely chosen" now insists "our relationships are righteous because we have a piece of paper." In any case, California law at the time already protected civil unions with rights and obligations identical to those of marriage—so much for the assumption that Mr. Eich and others were seeking to "deny love" and "enforce misery." The California referendum was a fight over a word. Were some gays finding their unions less joyous, less fulfilling because somewhere a heterosexual couple might imagine their "marriage" different? Apparently so. By the same token, defenders of the traditional family are crazy to think gay marriage is the threat. The threat is the growing inability of low-skilled workers to outbid state benefit programs to be the family breadwinner. Mr. Eich could have done more to explain himself, but he stuck at citing the privacy of his political and religious beliefs, while acknowledging that his stance discomfited friends and colleagues whose good opinion he values. Mozilla could have been braver—although we don't expect political courage from businesses, even nonprofit ones, which loathe to be judged on anything other than how their products work for customers. All this is complicated, which the priggish posturing of OkCupid was not. It's a cliché to observe that cowards and bullies are often the same, a wisdom learned from the Andy Griffith Show. And the worst kind of cowardly bully is the one who clothes his aggression toward others in sanctimony—though, until last week, we would have put gay-marriage advocates at the very bottom of any list of issue advocates who exhibit this tendency. Gay marriage has made remarkably swift progress by proposing to increase the world's stock of happiness rather than reduce it. Will the gay-rights lobby continue to do so? Or will it, like some in the civil-rights community, who once found racists in the South and now find them everywhere, turn to fomenting discord to secure a permanent place in the political marketplace? source: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB100014240527 02304640104579489252865438382 | ||
| Blake |
Patrick, I wasn't addressing the topical issue, only the quoted comment, the one deserving of your kind criticism. | ||
| Fdl3 |
Gbackus Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2014 - 08:56 am: Marriage is not natural. It is a man created institution to show ownership and try to guarantee that the children he is fostering are indeed his offspring. The only real benefits to marriage in today's society(specifically the US) are monetary. Why should gay couples be denied that right? 1. Marriage is natural. 2. Marriage is not a man-made institution. It is a God-made institution. 3. Marriage does not show ownership. 4. Marriage is not just an institution to prove offspring heritage. 5. A monetary benefit is not the only real benefit of marriage. 6. Marriage is a privilege, not a right. | ||
| Cataract2 |
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| Reindog |
This thread is not about homosexual marriage. |
