| Author | Message | ||
     Rick_a |
Just don't handle it. That's how it started for me. I haven't done any real accuracy testing with it. Most of my shooting with has been offhand and unsupported, from 20-25 yards. My groups at those ranges have been 1-2." If I had to guess, I'd be surprised if it managed 2-3" @100 from a rested position. Its capability is in line with what it is, something between a rifle and pistol. The sights are either irons or a 6MOA dot, neither conducive to pin point precision. I've been meaning to run some ballistics data in order to get velocity/drop figures for various ranges. I've been too busy having fun with it. | ||
| Macbuell |
This just caught my eye. http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shooting/Handguns/S emiautomatic-Pistols%7C/pc/104792580/c/105526980/s c/105529680/Diamondback-DB15-556-Pistol/1809810.ut s?destination=%2Fcatalog%2Fbrowse%2Fsemiautomatic- pistols%2F_%2FN-1102339%2FNs-CATEGORY_SEQ_10552968 0%3FWTz_l%3DSBC%253BMMcat104792580%253Bcat10552698 0%26WTz_st%3DGuidedNav%26WTz_stype%3DGNP%26records PerPage%3D81%26WTz_srn%3DSeeAllItems Does anyone have any knowledge or feedback on Diamondback ARs? | ||
| Sifo |
Just don't handle it. That's how it started for me. I didn't. Tempted, but managed not too. I shot the wife's Buckmark at the range this AM. WOW is it shooting nice! She will get to try it next week. I should have a new 22/45 at that time too. I had a line on a used one locally, but that somehow fell apart. I never even tried to talk the price down. I guess he didn't really want to sell??? New one is ordered and should be in my hands late this week. I hope I can shoot it as well as I shot the Buckmark today. WOW! I really don't understand gun laws. You have a modular gun like the AR, but you can't just slap on a short barrel and take off the stock and shoot a pistol. And if you have one registered as a pistol you can't slap on a stock (not sure about a long barrel???). Seems kind of ridiculous to me. I see no valid reason for those kind of restrictions at all. Rant off. | ||
| Aesquire |
Valid reason? Tyrants hate armed peasants. The people who write these laws are smarter, more enlightened, better than you are. Ask them. This weeks Klaven & Whittle on pjtv gets into the reasons... but if you check my post of a V.D.H. editorial in the science & climate thread it covers the reasons why the aristocrats write laws that screw you. | ||
| Blake |
>>> I really don't understand gun laws. You have a modular gun like the AR, but you can't just slap on a short barrel and take off the stock and shoot a pistol. Sure about that? I think you can. What would stop you? Just remove the barrel first, then the stock, mount pistol barrel. At no time does the gun violate the law. Conversely, starting with pistol configuration, same procedure, remove upper/barrel, add rifle stock, then mount upper/barrel. At no time does the weapon violate the law. At least in states that don't have gun registration. | ||
| Rick_a |
Technically a rifle cannot be made into a pistol. However, a pistol can be made into a rifle or a receiver that has never been a rifle can also be used. This illustrates my take on so called gun control:  It's all about duping common law abiding folk into giving up the right to own certain firearms and freedoms using criminal activity as the impetus and justification behind it. | ||
| Swampy |
Midway has Magpul mag special, buy 4 mags and get a 4 mag pouch for free! | ||
| Just_ziptab |
Jerry............full of fun. | ||
| Rick_a |
On the DB-15 pistol, they are good though some people have had function issues with them initially. The company has been forthcoming in getting them sorted. Biggest issue with most short gas system AR's is too much gas and too little extractor tension. Both are easily remedied. I'm searching for an extra heavy buffer for mine. It's still a little too energetic with an H3 buffer. I'm either going to cheep out with a $25 9mm buffer or buy a fancy $75 stainless buffer that's an ounce heavier. | ||
| Blake |
once you disassemble and remove upper receiver/barrel and stock, is what's left still a rifle? Is it physically discern able from the same lower receiver of a pistol? Then it would seem a difficult case to make. But that doesn't seem to deter the Feds from doing so. Easy enough to purchase a lower and create whichever you like I suppose. | ||
| Sifo |
It was my understanding (and I could be wrong on this) that when the receiver with the serial number is sold, it's sold either as a rifle or a pistol and can never be legally changed. I'll see if I can verify that somewhere. Chances of getting caught doing that? Pretty slim I would imagine. Penalty for getting caught? Probably more than I want to risk. So I gather that simply swapping the upper isn't going to give great results. You need to tune the buffer to match the short barrel. Makes sense. Still a pretty simple swap. Could be lots of fun. Building with an 80% lower might be a good way to go.  | ||
| Sifo |
So... The ATF does provide some answers... If you can decipher them. This seems to answer the question about converting from rifle>pistol and pistol>rifle... https://www.atf.gov/files/regulations-rulings/ruli ngs/atf-rulings/atf-ruling-2011-4.pdf In short, from what I can make out, and I still may not have this straight (My mind is currently full of chemicals designed for fight colds BTW)...
So if I understand correctly, if it was made as a kit to make both rifle and pistol, you are good to go, just don't assemble a SBR. If it was made as a pistol, you can add stuff to turn it into a rifle (not SBR), and go back again. If it was made as a rifle (as was my AR-15), then it must be registered as required by the NFA. I'm curious how others read this. Preferably someone who's mind isn't full of chemicals.  | ||
| Just_ziptab |
No matter how long the barrel is or if it has a shoulder stock or a hand grip.....just exactly what difference does it make? It's still a firearm. Common sense:I can legally own rifles. I can legally own pistols. Shouldn't matter at all how I configure the individual parts/pieces. Shouldn't be illegal at all and criminals sure as hell can do it with glee  | ||
| Sifo |
And consider that this is all about a very simple thing that is guaranteed by our Constitution "shall not be infringed". Now start trying to understand how the restrict other trivial things that have no such protections under the Constitution. The government can take any of us at any time, and with enough prying into our lives find where we have violated some idiotic laws. That doesn't sound like freedom anymore. | ||
| Rick_a |
The rifle AR's are sold as rifles, the pistols as pistols, and a receiver, whether assembled or not, is sold as an other/receiver. You are right on with that Sifo. Any gun law that makes a criminal out of the average gun owner is plain unconstitutional. | ||
| Blake |
>>> If it was made as a rifle (as was my AR-15), then it must be registered as required by the NFA. As what? There is no federal registration requirement for a pistol, or a rifle, and aren't we perfectly free to manufacture any non NFA rifle or pistol we like for our own personal use, yes? That includes using parts from existing firearms, yes? WRT AR15 firearms: The first paragraph appears to mean that converting an AR kit from rifle to pistol or vice versa is not illegal, no NFA tax required. Here's the thing, in states that don't require registration of firearms, is there any way to tell the original form of an AR based firearm? They (BATFE) would have to REALLY be looking to bust you to go after you on something like that. You could easily argue that an AR rifle is such a kit, given the vast array of commercial kits and parts available for it. But I'm no attorney at law! The intent of the BATFE regulation (NOT a law) is to prevent folks from creating super high power concealable weapons, think AR10 pistol for instance. They (the BATFE) are supposedly very worried about armor piercing pistol capability. They just recently blocked further import of surplus steel core AK74 ammo based on such misguided reasoning. So no more cheap com block 5.45x39mm (7N22) surplus ammo for America. Someone made some AK74 pistols and offered them for sale, and the BATFE will not tolerate importation of what they call "armor piercing" pistol ammo. The AK74 rifle enthusiasts are not happy. The second says that converting from pistol to non-SBR rifle is not illegal. The third says that it's illegal to make an SBR from a rifle absent the NFA tax stamp for doing so. Yeah, what you and Rick said. Excessive regulation, violation of the constitution. Freedom? Not so much. (Message edited by blake on April 02, 2014) | ||
| Blake |
It would be an interesting trial where the defense holds up three identical AR pistols, one purchased as a pistol, one purchased as a kit, and one converted from as-purchased rifle form. Though identical, two are legal, but one is not? Their may be a gun-hating activist (corrupt) judge somewhere that would throw the book at you, but I can't see it sustained on appeal. But again, I'm no lawyer! And I'm stubborn, obstinate, libertarian, and anti-authoritarian. Just plain disagreeable. Great discussion! | ||
| Rick_a |
Well, on making a AR pistol out of a rifle, a new forged receiver is typically only $50 to $100. That's a lot of piece of mind. With a stripped receiver or assembled lower, as long as it's assembled as a pistol first, it leaves some options:  The above belongs to arf.com member OhShoot. I like having mine on their own lower:  | ||
| Rick_a |
The family and a friend enjoying my little AR monstrosity: | ||
| Just_ziptab |
Turn your Glock into a rifle...kinda cool.  or click: http://www.mechtechsys.com/ | ||
| Sifo |
Nice video Rick. The shooting the first shooter is doing, would be considered rapid fire, and will get you tossed out of ranges in our area. Saw it happen this week. >>> If it was made as a rifle (as was my AR-15), then it must be registered as required by the NFA. As what? There is no federal registration requirement for a pistol, or a rifle, and aren't we perfectly free to manufacture any non NFA rifle or pistol we like for our own personal use, yes? That includes using parts from existing firearms, yes? My understanding (and I'm no expert, I very well could be wrong), is that it falls under the AOW (Any Other Weapon) category. | ||
| Rick_a |
Based on a shortened rifle, with a stock it would be a SBR. Without AOW. On the range thing, I usually get a talking to, but haven't been kicked out yet. I shoot as fast as I can keep hits on target, and I think they're more worried about people losing control of their weapons. This range allows it (Message edited by Rick_a on April 03, 2014) | ||
| Rick_a |
My 9mm buffer is on the way. I fired only a few shots with the standard carbine buffer. The little gun initially kicked like a shotgun. After that I installed an H3 (5.4oz) buffer from another AR. That worked well though is still slightly energetic. The heavier buffers slow cycling. On overgassed guns such as this (I believe the muzzle device acting as a booster contributes) it reduces wear and tear on the gun (and shooter), is easier on brass and will run cleaner. They make custom buffers with steel bodies but they are quite expensive at $75 or more. I cheaped out with a $25 5.6oz buffer meant for blowback pistol caliber carbines. On full auto gas guns they are problematic due to bolt bounce issues. My finger can only manage 3-400rpm, so it should be just fine. These pistol length guns run dirtier than the longer gas systems, so it probably won't hurt having a little extra umph. This gun was easy on brass, regardless of the buffer used, unlike my 10.5" that started off nearly tearing the rims off fired cases. Buffer comparison:  I will likely be forced to do another 100rd function test  | ||
| Rick_a |
The wife has become recoil sensitive through the years. Most people go in the opposite direction. I'll probably pick up a Walther P22 Target for her once I pick up my revolver on layaway. That's her favorite though it is definitely not mine. Her stance and hold could use some work. She does better with long guns these days. | ||
| Swampy |
Heads up! I recently installed a Tac-Con 3MR in my AR. Please save your money. What it is, is an OK match trigger, about a 4 lb pull and it is NON-Adjustable! WHAT IT IS NOT is what is portrayed on the Tac-Con website...Emphasis on CON! If you want a good trigger go buy a Timney or other, if you want a Happy Switch experience...Get a Slide Fire Stock. What is shown on their website is pure baloney! | ||
| Sifo |
Sorry to hear about your Tac-Con experience. Looks like your not alone... http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/01/13/impr essions-tac-con-3mr-full-auto-trigger/ | ||
| Rick_a |
The Tac-Con is just a forced reset trigger. It takes some serious skill to get it to work as advertised. Most people were having better luck with a lighter spring pack they used for demos. I have a 3.5lb single stage Accuracy Speaks, a 4lb PSA mil spec, and a 4.5lb two-stage Geissele SSA, and like them in that order. The prices were $250, $36, and $220, respectively. As good as that mil spec ended up, it did take some time to re-profile the hammer for ignition reliability, and for liability reasons I wouldn't use such a set up on anything meant for serious uses. It's crazy that such a cheap trigger can be so damn good. The Accuracy Speaks is the best of the bunch, but it is sure hard to justify such a price on what is essentially a mil spec trigger with better tolerances and improved sear geometry. The Geissele has a nice break but the first stage length is a bit annoying. The latest and greatest triggers survive partially on hype and partially on competitors looking for that slight edge on the competition. | ||
| Blake |
Is that the same PSA trigger that comes with their PSA lower and rifle kits? Their sales specials are tough to resist. So too some of the sales on AKs... http://www.slickguns.com/product/century-arms-zast ava-n-pap-m70-762x39-ak-47-wood-54974-free-shippin g | ||
| Rick_a |
Yessir. That trigger was part of a $100 pistol lower build kit. The couple things I've ordered from them were on "dail deals" and incredibly well priced. AK's are great for cheap ammo, especially if you don't mind the cleanup on corrosive primed ammo. They're great fun. Zastava is said to be importing the M91 in 7.62x54R later this year. That's a cool rifle in a great caliber.  The sniper depicted above is doing it all wrong... | ||
| Swampy |
There should be a disclaimer on the photo above! LOL! You must remember that with Soviet Bloc calibers that most if not all of the ammo is produced in a country that Obummer has recently declared sanctions against... I did miss a call from a Tac-Con representative today, hopefully they will call back. |
