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Reindog
Posted on Friday, January 03, 2014 - 01:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What do you New Yorkers think about your new Sandinista mayor De Blassio? Bratton is probably a good choice for NYPD commissioner but the loons are running the asylum. I lived in NYC in the early 70's and it was a disgusting crime-ridden, and union striking city called "Fun City" by Mayor Lindsey.

What do you New Detroiters think about the probable return of the squeegee guys, budget busting concessions to the public unions, and further demonization of the people who create wealth?

Do you think Bill Clinton's warm embrace signals Hillary moving further to the Left with her presidential run?

I love NYC but I might not be visiting as much and I am wondering if my friends are going to start selling their real estate before the city returns to being a cesspool.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Friday, January 03, 2014 - 01:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Coming to NYC in 20 years.






Blake removed display of image, left link. Image way to wide.
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Reindog
Posted on Friday, January 03, 2014 - 12:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Froggy, whats your thoughts? Court just did a hit and run.
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86129squids
Posted on Friday, January 03, 2014 - 01:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wow- Court, once again I'm amazed at your shutterbug's eye... sad to see it's gone again that quick!

The Phantom of the Badweb strikes again!
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Reindog
Posted on Friday, January 03, 2014 - 05:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Fotoguzzi
Posted on Friday, January 03, 2014 - 08:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

at least it's not Toronto.. that Mayor Ford could make it in politics over in Italy tho..





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Gentleman_jon
Posted on Friday, January 03, 2014 - 08:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I wouldn't pay it no nevah' mind.

You see, most of the middle class, myself included, have already left NYC.

That leaves the multimillionaires in Manhattan who can afford to isolate themselves from Mr. deBlasio's follies, and the poor and minorities who are his supporters and the victims of his policies.

They are really more interested in rehearsing real and imagined racial slights than anything else, like those who still support Obama. They'll be fine, if a bit poorer, because the sort of class warfare that deBlasio supports is the very air they breathe.

OK?
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Court
Posted on Friday, January 03, 2014 - 10:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well put.

No one I know is impacted. The wealthy toss in their alms, get want they want and live nicely on their 7-figure bonus and new $25,000,000 apartments (in fairness my pals wife makes a good living so it wasn't entirely his effort) . . the middle class . . . myself at the bottom . . . have fled and enter when we want (on expense account) for what we need . . and the poor are being given shit faster than they can cart it off.

I'm headed East tomorrow to commiserate and meet with a fellow middle classer.

Few in NYC give a shit . . . we could be mistaken, by the untrained eye, for neighborhood organizers.
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Davegess
Posted on Friday, January 03, 2014 - 10:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

NYC is about as much like Detroit as Detroit is like San Diego. I don't see really anything to compare.

IS this guy going to be an incompetent mayor; I certainly don't know and I suspect that pretty much not many here do either. Assuming that because he is politically on the left does not lead to incompetence or poor city management. I do know that the absolute best years for the city of Milwaukee lasted for half a century and almost every major during that stretch was a socialist. Can't get much further left than that. Without those guys the city would now be a complete disaster. The policies and actions they took built the city into the nations industrial powerhouse and laid the foundation for what is still a very functional and solvent city.
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Sifo
Posted on Friday, January 03, 2014 - 11:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I do know that the absolute best years for the city of Milwaukee lasted for half a century and almost every major during that stretch was a socialist.

I guess that might explain why so many seem to consider Milwaukee to pretty much be the armpit of WI. Just sayin'.
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Reindog
Posted on Saturday, January 04, 2014 - 01:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dave, NYC was a bankrupt and crime ridden armpit in the 70's and 80's. Like 'em or hate 'em, Guiliani and Bloomberg made NYC into a truly beautiful city. When the first garbage or transit strike occurs in the near future, you will know what I mean if you care to look.

What the hell is a Milwaukee?
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86129squids
Posted on Saturday, January 04, 2014 - 02:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That's a helluva BIG rat! I'd be curious to read that plaque in the middle...

Pic/scenario details?!

My other dog scored the fist 2014 kill today, RIP little treerat.
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Gentleman_jon
Posted on Saturday, January 04, 2014 - 07:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

As Dame Thatcher famously observed, socialism works fine until you run out of other peoples money. That's the little problem with wealth re-distribution: every ends up poor. Equally poor, of course, except for those running the system.

Then the rot sets in.

See: Soviet Union, China, India,Sweden, Ireland, Italy, Spain, England, Greece, Detroit, and yes,Milwaukee.

North Korea v. South Korea.

East Germany v. West Germany

Most of these socialists and communists eventually go bankrupt and move towards some version of the free market.

The only ones left who are truly enamored of socialism are those, like our own Dave Guess, who don't chose to live in a socialist country themselves.

Many don't even deign to participate in free market however, preferring to live off the sweat of others while pursuing a "career" in Government or academia, where such undesirable facts of life such as competition and hard work are happily banned, and the benefits are generous, until nasty ol' bankruptcy shows up to spoil the party.
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Court
Posted on Saturday, January 04, 2014 - 08:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

These guys didn't even wait a week before starting the lying . . . pay for play schemes and manipulation of NYC.

I don't care where you live . . . my city is going to be far more entertaining for the next several years. We've already got voodoo death threats, chicanery and a power struggle to teach Cuomo that the Mayor of NYC runs the state of NY . .not the Governor.

http://nypost.com/2014/01/03/public-advocate-caugh t-in-homeless-fib-upon-taking-office/

http://nypost.com/2014/01/02/speakers-at-de-blasio -inauguration-blast-bloomberg/

http://nypost.com/2013/12/29/bill-de-blasios-counc il-coup/

http://nypost.com/2014/01/04/loser-pol-rival-mark- viverito-put-a-curse-on-me/

http://nypost.com/2013/12/29/de-blasio-camp-promis es-sweet-gigs-for-support-of-mark-viverito/
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99savage
Posted on Saturday, January 04, 2014 - 01:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Saturday, November 02, 2013
It's De Blasio Time
Posted by Daniel Greenfield @ the Sultan Knish blog 34 Comments
Do you miss the old New York City? Remember when subway trains were covered in graffiti, a news hour began with six shootings and everyone who lived in the city had been mugged at least once?

Remember when Times Square had more strip clubs than theaters and when you could afford an apartment in the village because it was a drug infested mess?

Remember when the city and everyone living in it were on the verge of bankruptcy and the only people who had money lived upstate or in a small cluster of Manhattan?

Remember when everything was grimy and had a layer of filth, when people moved to the city because they wanted to slum, when nothing worked and no one cared and the only difference between New York and Chicago was that it had taller buildings?

If you miss that classic New York, there's good news because Bill de Blasio is bringing it back.

The muggers are coming back. The squeegee men are coming back. The crazy people randomly stabbing you on the subway, the gangs shooting each other over turf, the race rioters marching through neighborhoods and shouting, "Whose streets, our streets"-- they're all coming back.

Because the polls have spoken. And it's De Blasio time now.

No more fascist cops hassling "innocent" people. Bill de Blasio won't put up with any of that. De Blasio will put the cops in their place, inside a Dunkin Donuts and away from people. They'll still get paid. They're in a union. They just won't lift a finger to help you because they'll have more special monitors and civilian complaint review boards on their necks than they can handle.

And next time one of the innocent victims of Stop and Frisk is pounding your face into the sidewalk with one hand while digging through your pockets with the other, wave to the pair of beat cops sitting in the window of the coffee shop. And they'll wave back without getting up. Because you voted for this. And you're getting what you deserve.

When you recover from your medically induced coma, you'll have a hell of a story to tell between reconstructive surgery visits. You might be tempted to complain about how the police don't do anything anymore and how we pay them a ton of money and they don't do anything except rope off a crime scene.

But don't. You don't want to sound like one of those crazy right winger types carrying guns on the 3 train waiting to go all Bernhard Goetz on some street kid. It's De Blasio time. It's what you voted for.

All those cops ruined the special spirit of the city. The one where you could see someone lying in a pool of their own blood on the A train on the way to work and you shrugged and moved on. The one where every weekend began with more bodies than an entire season of Law and Order.

It'll be exciting. Remember when people thought you were risking your life by living in the city. Now they will again.

Relatives will look at the latest body count and gasp admiringly. "How can you live there?" And you'll stow your illegal can of mace in your pocket, your rape whistle on your key chain and all the apps on your phone that directly contact the FBI, the NYPD and Interpol and shrug manfully. "It's no big deal. I haven't even been mugged in six months."

Remember when all those gentrified neighborhoods full of artisanal bake shops were places that no taxi driver would take you?

Remember when the Mac repair shop, the experimental art gallery and the fusion Mexican-Thai place across the street were a dirty bodega with bulletproof windows, a street pentecostal church with steel bars and a healthy dose of voodoo and a burnt out abandoned building?

They will be again. The fusion place will move to Portland. The Mac guy will close up shop and go to work at a Best Buy in Westchester. He'll hate it, but after the third robbery, his insurance rates will be too high to stay on. But he'll have nothing to complain about. He voted for De Blasio too.

And that experimental art gallery, the one with collages of world leaders made out of broken glass as a statement against capitalism? It's a burnt out abandoned building again. The owner who used to want 10 million bucks for the building would give it to you in exchange for paying the tax bill. But you won't take it.

You voted for De Blasio, but you're not that stupid. No one buys real estate in De Blasio time.

A lot of the new amenities of the city that you love will still be around. Like bike lanes. There will be more of them than ever.

Muggers will love the bike lanes. They'll stand behind phone booths with a hockey stick. The stick will go out at the last minute, the bike rider will tumble off his 400 dollar toy and the stick will come down on his head.

You don't ride a bike anymore. No one really does except Chinese food deliverymen. You take the subway. It's dirty and grimy. It's covered in graffiti. And sometimes you remember when there were shiny new Japanese trains and you could ride them at 1 AM, without worrying about being attacked.

You remember riding your Citibike to a party past row after row of brand new restaurants and clubs. But that was a different city. That was Giuliani's New York and Bloomberg's New York. It's De Blasio's New York now. It's the old Dinkins New York. And no one does those things now.

Citibike will be gone. Of course. The whole thing was a program to advertise Citibank to the city's booming upscale white population. And on De Blasio time, a lot of that population is leaving. And New York City on De Blasio time is not a brand that any major corporation wants to be associated with.

Giuliani New York and Bloomberg New York were booming cities. De Blasio New York is a place where the mayor gives constant press conferences about gang violence and announces new rape prevention programs. Every news story about the city now begins with, "Four people were shot in New York over the weekend" and "A fire swept out of control through Brooklyn destroying four city blocks. Police suspect arson."

But that's cool. Who needs those stupid corporations anyway when Occupy Wall Street has a dozen encampments. A lot of those encampments are really homeless tent cities. But that's a good thing.

Central Park may now be scarier than ever and no one goes there after dark except muggers and cruisers. Columbus Circle is now a mess of shacks. But maybe the crazy guy who sleeps with a large butcher knife on the stairs in front of your building might decide to go there.

You nervously slip him a fiver every morning, but you hear him muttering every time he takes the money and you know he doesn't like you. One time he told the lady who lives next door to you that he's going to stab her. Everyone in the building has complained to the police.

But what can they do? It's De Blasio time.

There are good things about De Blasio's New York. Like all those troop carriers rattling the sidewalk as they go down Fifth Avenue.

Bill de Blasio promised that he would shut down surveillance of mosques. And he kept his word. And the terrorists kept theirs. They say ten thousand people died. But a hundred thousand were affected by the gas pouring through the subway tunnels all the way down to Times Square. Some of them may die. A lot of them have scarred lungs.

President Clinton has promised that she will get those responsible. Meanwhile there are jets overhead and soldiers in the streets. They help keep down crime a little. But it's been a year now and Mayor De Blasio wishes they would leave. They're upsetting everyone in the mosque that the terrorists visited before they loaded up their canisters into backpacks and took the A train.

The NYPD could have stopped them. It would have stopped them under Giuliani and Bloomberg. But the terrorists were smarter than you. They waited for De Blasio time.

You were downwind when the attack happened. But you still cough a lot. Sometimes blood comes out. You wonder if it's psychosomatic or the real thing. You wish you could see a doctor, but you lost your health insurance when the company you work for relocated and fired all its non-essential employees.

De Blasio has made sure there are plenty of neighborhood clinics around. But no one in them speaks English and there's a long waiting list. "Three week," they shout at you each time you come in while holding up three fingers. It's been three months.

But what can you do? It's De Blasio time.

It's not like Bill de Blasio has done a bad job. Sure things are terrible, but everyone still likes him. He looks a lot older and greyer. He doesn't tell jokes anymore. His voice is flat and like everyone else in the city, he sounds like he's just trying to get through the next day.

But that's De Blasio time for you.

You've thought a lot about what to do next. Your brother wants you to move to San Francisco. He says he can get you an interview there. Your parents think you should move back home. No one is hiring here anymore. Even the movie and television shoots that used to happen on every block are gone. They're working in Chicago now.

They say that New York City is going bankrupt. That it has no future. The latest bond sales are going badly because the city's credit rating is in the toilet. But that's all Wall Street's fault. Why should those bastards lower the city's credit rating to junk just because it has more debt than the rest of the Tri-State Area combined. The city is good for it? Or at least it used to be... before De Blasio time.

You're not ready to give up on New York yet. Sure times have been tough, but it's a tough city. And it's an incredible mosaic of diversity. Just last week you got held up by a guy from Swaziland and you never even heard of Swaziland before.

Your new roommate is from Brazil. He sells drugs. Your drug dealer is from Lebanon. He wants to be in fashion. It's still an exciting city with plenty of opportunities for those who know how to take them. But the takers seem to be taking them from you. And even though you're out of work, your tax bill is too high.

But what can you do? It's De Blasio time.

There's a new housing project going up next door. It's forty stories tall. There will be a hundred like it all across your neighborhood. Manhattan will never be the same. It's great that Bill de Blasio is doing this so that there will be more affordable housing. The projects already look scary. There are gangs haunting the scaffolding around it. Sometimes they throw rocks through your window. After the fourth time, you stopped paying to have it replaced. You just paste it over with tape and cardboard to keep the January wind out.

The good news is that your rent has gone down. It's a fraction of what it used to be. The bad news is that you still can't afford it.

Sometimes you think about applying to live in the projects, collecting benefits and food stamps, riding the elevators down to get some cigarettes and lottery tickets at the local bodega, and then back up to your apartment. And then you recoil in horror and begin thinking about taking up your brother on his offer.

Because this isn't the New York City you wanted, even though it's the one you voted for. Bill de Blasio is not the New York City you needed, it's the one you deserved. And it's the one you got.

And so you leave. The taxi ride to JFK airport takes forever. The airport is a dirty mess. But finally your plane takes off. There are two ex-cons with rocket launchers waiting in the marshes just outside the tarmac. You never see the rocket that hits you. Just the flash of heat that burns you and your girlfriend and your cat in his carrier in the plane's cargo section and the other hundred and twenty people getting the hell out of Bill de Blasio's New York City to ash.

The NYPD busted up a plot just like it a few years ago. But they did it with informants and mosque surveillance. Unfair tactics like that were banned by Bill de Blasio just as he promised his Muslim supporters he would.

As the last burning pieces of what used to be you fall into the water, your last thought is of how unfair all this is. But you shouldn't complain. This is what you voted for.

It's De Blasio time.

http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2013/11/its-de-bla sio-time.html
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Sifo
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Reindog
Posted on Saturday, January 04, 2014 - 02:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

De Blasio really is a Sandinista who went to Nicaragua to support the Communists there. Upon returning to the soon to be renamed New Detroit City, he joined the Nicaragua Solidarity Network of Greater New York which supported the Sandinistas.

He also honeymooned in Cuba in 1994. Do you need to know anything more?

My former city is screwed. This is probably a good time to sell your real estate before the sewer starts overflowing.

What the hell is a Milwaukee?
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Reindog
Posted on Saturday, January 04, 2014 - 02:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Even Peggy Noonan understands the peril that New Detroit City is facing with divisiveness, not unity.

New York's Divider in Chief

Bill de Blasio's inaugural address took every opportunity to jab at those who aren't on the margins.
By Peggy Noonan · Jan. 4, 2014


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No one knows exactly what's coming, but Mr. de Blasio's inaugural address on Wednesday was not promising. Whether you are a conservative or a liberal, you can choose, as a leader, to be a uniter or a divider. Mr. de Blasio seems very much the latter. He is on the side of the poor and the marginalized, which is good, but he took every opportunity to jab at those who are not poor and don't live on the margins. “Big dreams are not a luxury of the privileged few,” he said. Whoever said they were? He is a political descendant of those “who took on the elite.” New York “is not the exclusive domain of the One Percent.” Who said it was? His campaign promises – more spending, higher taxes – are not, he said, just “rhetoric.” There was a repeated refrain: “We won't wait. We'll do it now.”




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What was absent in Mr. de Blasio's remarks was a kind of civic courtesy, or grace. The kind that seeks to unite and build from shared strength, the kind that doesn't demonize. Instead, from our new mayor we got the snotty sound of us vs. them, of zero-sum politics.

It was not a promising beginning. Or rather what it promises is unfortunate. I already miss Mike.



read more: http://patriotpost.us/opinion/22523
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Sifo
Posted on Saturday, January 04, 2014 - 02:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I know you're making a joke about "what's a Milwaukee", but because it was brought to light as such a great example of socialist achievement I thought I would look up the crime rate there. Keep in mind that Wisconsin as a whole is a pretty nice state when you get used to it, and they have a lower crime rate than the national average. Milwaukee OTOH...


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The city violent crime rate for Milwaukee in 2010 was higher than the national violent crime rate average by 158.77% and the city property crime rate in Milwaukee was higher than the national property crime rate average by 77.95%.

In 2010 the city violent crime rate in Milwaukee was higher than the violent crime rate in Wisconsin by 320.04% and the city property crime rate in Milwaukee was higher than the property crime rate in Wisconsin by 108.76%.











http://www.cityrating.com/crime-statistics/wisconsin/milwaukee.html

With such shining examples of socialist leadership being offered up it's a wonder that we aren't just looking for more socialist leaders to do the same for our cities. If Milwaukee isn't the armpit of WI, I'd like to hear what city people would nominate instead.
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Sifo
Posted on Saturday, January 04, 2014 - 03:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Unemployment isn't looking too good in Milwaukee either.

http://zipatlas.com/us/wi/city-comparison/unemploy ment-rate.htm

84th highest out of 696. The are by far the biggest city in the first page of 100 too. I can see where small towns in the middle of nowhere are likely to have an unemployment crisis, but Milwaukee should have a lot going for it. Great location for shipping of raw materials and finished goods by water and numerous major expressways. Numerous well established large corporations that have been there for many decades. Why are they failing?

The best thing about Milwaukee? The expressway bypass!
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, January 04, 2014 - 04:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That's not really fair.
I bet many cities would give charts that look like that.
Urban murder rates have always been higher than the burbs or country. I know Rochester kills far more folk than the same population in the much larger surrounding area.

Italy is a nice place to live......but not Rome. (That could have been said 2000 years ago......)
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Sifo
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That's not really fair.
I bet many cities would give charts that look like that.
Urban murder rates have always been higher than the burbs or country. I know Rochester kills far more folk than the same population in the much larger surrounding area.

Italy is a nice place to live......but not Rome. (That could have been said 2000 years ago......)


Why is it not fair? It's based on per capita, not simple raw numbers. I know the easy answer is that in an urban environment it's going to happen more because of there being more contact with people. I have a hard time with that though. There has to be intent and opportunity. Honestly, it's much easier to get away with crime in lower density areas. You can be gone for hours before the crime is even found and it's far less likely to have witnesses or security cameras. Bottom line is that when two people meet, violent outcome isn't a matter of randomness. It's a matter of intent. I won't try to address the cause and the effect on this, just the correlations. For what ever reasons, people in large cities tend to have much more violent interactions. They also tend to vote more liberal. For that reason they tend to have liberal leadership. Trust me when I say that many flee these urban areas exactly because of these reasons. I just can't understand the idea that crime has to be worse in cities, just because it's always been that way. If that were the case, crime rates among cities would have extremely tight correlations to size, but some cities just don't want to cooperate with that idea. I'll let people figure out for themselves which way those cities tend to lean.
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Davegess
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You have to compare a big city to a big city. M is the only place even close to a big city in Wisconsin. Anybody who thinks it is an armpit has not been there.

Of course there has not been a socialist mayor in 50 years so that must be what has driven up the crime rate.

The city has problems but overall is doing pretty well. City finances are solvent, services are good, crime over most of the city is very low-like all big cities the very poor areas drive the crime numbers.

The metro area needs to get over its aversion to public transit and figure out to get those unemployed folks out to the suburbs where the jobs are. Way too hard to get to the jobs there are. (I used give the occasional ride folks who where walking the two miles from the end of the county bus line to get to a job in an industrial park in the next county.) That would help the entire area out but it seems to be a very long shot that it will ever happen.
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Aesquire
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Not sure I want to argue that it's the density, although there is some science behind that. Pack too many rats in a cage and they go cannibal and have other problems, like self mutilation, etc. IIRC there's a quote to the effect that only man does this voluntarily.

Cities may be obsolete in many ways, but there is a strong movement among leftists, greenies, and authoritarians ( to be redundant ) towards forcing people to live in cities, and leave the countryside to nature, and presumably industrial farming to feed the cities.

Rush's "Red Barchetta" comes to mind.

My uncle has a country place
That no one knows about
He says it used to be a farm
Before the Motor Law
And on Sundays I elude the eyes
And hop the Turbine Freight
To far outside the Wire
Where my white-haired uncle waits.......


Crime is worse in cities because of the ideology? Makes sense. I can't say for certain that ANY city would be more violent than the lower population density surrounding areas. In cases where multiple smaller cities have become a huge urban area, ( LA, parts of the Eastern states ) there usually are "bad" areas and good.

I do agree that the 'burbs are a better place for a smart criminal to steal. Better stuff to take, less risk. I suppose the reason that doesn't happen a lot is Smarter criminals tend to gravitate towards high profit, low risk scams, like politics, govt. contracts, and The Market.

Still, a chart like you post above would show a like pattern for many cities, although NY State would have a higher than average crime rate, while, say, Nebraska would be more like Wisconsin.

I bet that we agree that we could tell the crime rate of a city by looking at the dominate Party of the last century.

Not that any Party has a monopoly on corruption, but the Ideology, especially in the neo-marxism movements of the 20th Century has clear results.
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Sifo
Posted on Saturday, January 04, 2014 - 08:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm actually trying to come up with a comparison of a more right wing city to compare to Milwaukee or any liberal city. I'm really at a loss to come up with a fairly large city that is conservative though. Suggestions? Or better yet, just use the above link I used for Milwaukee's crime rate. They have data on all states. The best I could come up with off the top of my head might be Dallas TX. Problem is, as I recall, Dallas actually leans liberal. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. Anyway, here's the comp between Dallas and Milwaukee. Keep in mind of course, Dallas is a fair bit bigger than Milwaukee.


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The city violent crime rate for Milwaukee in 2010 was higher than the national violent crime rate average by 158.77% and the city property crime rate in Milwaukee was higher than the national property crime rate average by 77.95%.

vs.

The city violent crime rate for Dallas in 2010 was higher than the national violent crime rate average by 73.68% and the city property crime rate in Dallas was higher than the national property crime rate average by 66.8%.




I do question though, why is that we accept that in a larger city, when two people meet, it is more likely to result in crime than in a rural area? I don't think it's really the rats in a cage thing. Give rats the room that city people actually still have (yes feel free to adjust for the size of rats vs. city people) and I don't think the rats will have much problem. Are people in the city really that stressed? I'm more inclined to think that intent has much more to do with it than people simply snapping from tight living conditions. Kind of goes against the idea that is often proposed that more people should be living in the cities if you can make that argument though.

So Dave, as I said earlier... If you don't think Milwaukee is the armpit of WI, please tell us what area you would nominate. BTW... /blue{The metro area needs to get over its aversion to public transit and figure out to get those unemployed folks out to the suburbs where the jobs are. Way too hard to get to the jobs there are.} That's exactly opposite of how most city/suburbs work. I don't think that's a sign of a thriving city.
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Sifo
Posted on Saturday, January 04, 2014 - 10:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Again, cause and effect are certainly open to interpretation, but it's an interesting correlation...

Jail survey: 7 in 10 felons register as Democrats


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The authors, professors from the University of Pennsylvania and Stanford University, found that in some states, felons register Democratic by more than six-to-one. In New York, for example, 61.5 percent of convicts are Democrats, just 9 percent Republican. They also cited a study that found 73 percent of convicts who turn out for presidential elections would vote Democrat.
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They provided the following Democrat-to-Republican breakdown in felon party registration patterns:

– New York: 61.5 percent register Democratic, 9 percent register Republican

– New Mexico: 51.9 percent Democratic, 10.2 percent Republican

– North Carolina: 54.6 percent Democratic, 10.2 percent Republican


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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, January 05, 2014 - 02:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I doubt anyone here is surprised by those findings.

We may be over analysing this.

The culture of city dwellers is simply different than country folk. It could just be that simple.

It's a matter of interdependence.

Criminals are, by nature, parasites.

Urban surroundings give you more hosts. Muggers are unlikely to be found in a cabin in the woods, since their means of support is lacking. You can't just demand wealth from a deer, you have to kill, dress, process and use it. That level of effort and learned skills is unlikely in people who depend on others for their comfort.

There certainly are criminal types in the "sticks". Amish mafia, 'shiners, sons of anarchy, lots of tv shows on rural crime. You are unlikely to read much about the real thing in the papers, either because less people are affected, or it's less common.

I draw the conclusion that Cities are natural places for parasites. The political/ideological issues are also not new.

Roman politicians were far more concerned with keeping the mob in the city happy than the fate of the peasants in the country. That's still true.

My opinion of the New Mayor of NYC is his ideology ( communism ) is an evil one designed to give power to evil men. I conclude he's probably an evil man.

This in not good for the people he will rule.

I don't think HE thinks of them as people he works for.

That's the distinction between public servant and civil master.
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Sifo
Posted on Sunday, January 05, 2014 - 03:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yet, for some reason(s), Japan which has a much higher population density than the US also has much lower violent crime rates. It's difficult to find simple hard data, but a few internet searches should satisfy any doubters of that simple fact. Clearly it's not as simple as population density. There are other issues at work.
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, January 05, 2014 - 03:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's culture.

Todays PC world view would have you believe they are all equal, and thus there is no difference between Monks in Tibet and gangbangers in LA. That's an insane view.

The Japanese have a very homogeneous culture, and have long adapted to crowded living conditions that would freak anyone not used to it, but it comes at a price.

I recently posted a link to an article about the declining dating scene in Japan. It's not that different than the lack of reproduction in many western European nations, but perhaps more focused.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2143748/Fa lling-birth-rates-mean-Japan-wont-children-15-3011 -current-trend-continues.html

http://www.japantoday.com/category/opinions/view/w hy-arent-japanese-dating-and-mating
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Sifo
Posted on Sunday, January 05, 2014 - 04:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's culture.

Agreed. For some reason the cities in our country seem to have a culture that is accepting of violence to others. I see that trend going through our culture though, not just in violence. There is a general lack of respect for others. It's showing itself in another thread right now. From where I sit it seems to come from the same political spectrum that dominates our large cities that have the crime problems. It's just a patter that I've noticed. Noticing patterns is something that I'm good at according to testing I've had. I realize that others won't agree with this assessment, but I still see it. Of course it helps to bounce the idea around with others to gain more understanding. It's a complicated issue.
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Froggy
Posted on Monday, January 06, 2014 - 01:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

Froggy, whats your thoughts?




Honestly, I really have none. I'm not up to snuff on NYC politics, and honestly didn't know who De Blassio is before this thread. I don't really live in NYC, I can't vote in NYC, so overall what happens there politically or otherwise doesn't (usually) affect me. I can't comment whether I agree or not with any of the sentiments in this thread yet, as at this point I'm too ignorant on the issues.


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The culture of city dwellers is simply different than country folk.




Indeed. I grew up and mostly reside an hour north of NYC, it is not really country, not really a suburb, but something in between. Personally I do hate the city life, it just isn't for me. My girlfriend lives in Brooklyn, so I usually spend my weekends there, and the population density just drives me nuts. I need my space, I need my solitude, and general lack of pressure that comes with living outside the city. We are both moving in the coming months, I personally want to move into a tree house in the middle of nowhere in Pennsylvania, but due to my job that won't be really practical.

Regarding the culture again, I could see myself growing up to be more of a criminal if I lived in the city instead of upstate, due to my various mental issues.
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Daddio
Posted on Monday, January 06, 2014 - 01:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There is a general lack of respect for others.
Beyond this, there is a general demand for respect of one's self. I attribute this to the welfare mentality that makes people think they deserve other people's property, just by being born.
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Blake
Posted on Monday, January 06, 2014 - 05:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Interesting observations Frog man and D'dio.
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