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     Ducbsa |
From http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/11/cali fornia-nixes-the-obamacare-fix.php This raises the question of whether Obama really wants states to agree to his fix. More likely, he views the situation the way California, New York, etc. do, and has offered his fix as a stunt to reduce the political damage resulting from his false promise that people who like their plan can keep their plan. | ||
| Strokizator |
What the heck is a "false promise"? They don't mean a "bald-faced lie", do they? | ||
| Sifo |
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| Aesquire |
I'll note in passing that the head of X insurance company would have to be insane to commit the criminal act of selling insurance that is illegal under the law on the promise of protection by the President. I would demand a pardon, in advance, for all crimes, and a contract that I would be protected from the certain lawsuits my firm would be subject to for selling illegal policies that do not cover the legal mandated conditions. If Obamacare mandates free birth control pills, or acupuncture, or lollipops, and someone does not get it, they have every legal right to sue. Ducbsa is correct. Obama's stunt is just that. Another lie. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
from the interwebz - cut copy and paste alert: The Truth About the Health Care Bills – Michael Connelly, Ret. Constitutional Attorney Well, I have done it! I have read the entire text of proposed House Bill 3200: The Affordable Health Care Choices Act of 2009. I studied it with particular emphasis from my area of expertise, constitutional law. I was frankly concerned that parts of the proposed law that were being discussed might be unconstitutional. What I found was far worse than what I had heard or expected. To begin with, much of what has been said about the law and its implications is in fact true, despite what the Democrats and the media are saying. The law does provide for rationing of health care, particularly where senior citizens and other classes of citizens are involved, free health care for illegal immigrants, free abortion services, and probably forced participation in abortions by members of the medical profession. The Bill will also eventually force private insurance companies out of business, and put everyone into a government run system. All decisions about personal health care will ultimately be made by federal bureaucrats, and most of them will not be health care professionals. Hospital admissions, payments to physicians, and allocations of necessary medical devices will be strictly controlled by the government. However, as scary as all of that is, it just scratches the surface. In fact, I have concluded that this legislation really has no intention of providing affordable health care choices. Instead it is a convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the Executive Branch of government that has ever occurred, or even been contemplated. If this law or a similar one is adopted, major portions of the Constitution of the United States will effectively have been destroyed. The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance of power between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of the U.S. Government. The Congress will be transferring to the Obama Administration authority in a number of different areas over the lives of the American people, and the businesses they own. The irony is that the Congress doesn't have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with! I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care. This legislation also provides for access, by the appointees of the Obama administration, in direct violation of the specific provisions of the 4th Amendment to the Constitution, of all of your personal healthcare information, your personal financial information, and the information of your employer, physician, and hospital. All of this is a protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures. You can also forget about the right to privacy. That will have been legislated into oblivion regardless of what the 3rd and 4th Amendments may provide. If you decide not to have healthcare insurance, or if you have private insurance that is not deemed acceptable to the Health Choices Administrator appointed by Obama, there will be a tax imposed on you. It is called a tax instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of the due process clause of the 5th Amendment. However , that doesn't work because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of property without the due process of law. So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far left hate so much, out the original ten in the Bill of Rights, that are effectively nullified by this law. It doesn't stop there though. The 9th Amendment that provides: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people; The 10th Amendment states: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are preserved to the States respectively, or to the people. Under the provisions of this piece of Congressional handiwork neither the people nor the states are going to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that once were theirs to control. I could write many more pages about this legislation, but I think you get the idea. This is not about health care; it is about seizing power and limiting rights. Article 6 of the Constitution requires the members of both houses of Congress to "be bound by oath or affirmation to support the Constitution." If I was a member of Congress I would not be able to vote for this legislation or anything like it, without feeling I was violating that sacred oath or affirmation. If I voted for it anyway, I would hope the American people would hold me accountable. For those who might doubt the nature of this threat, I suggest they consult the source, the US Constitution, and Bill of Rights. There you can see exactly what we are about to have taken from us. Michael Connelly Retired attorney, Constitutional Law Instructor Carrollton , Texasqaw | ||
| Court |
I can only hope folks are beginning to see this as what it is . . .an outright attack on our freedoms, not merely a topic of internet argument. The way it stands each and every one of us is going to feel the sharp sting of this in the coming 24 months. I currently have GREAT (my son, a VP of one of America's largest healthcare firms, calls it the best he's ever seen) health insurance. I am well aware that my costs, when the employer mandate hits, will at least double, my choices will be minimized and, as a "senior citizen" (yep, I now get the movies cheap) I'm going to be yielding lots of important decisions to bureaucrats. My insurer, through my employer (one of the largest firms in the country) has, already been requesting the mandated information about my BMI. waist girth, smoking, alcohol, drug use and sexual gender preference. At this point I've declined to answer but I'm not unaware that having a BM! above the normal range is going to either cost me a fortune or have me denied certain coverage. Frankly, if you are 60 years old and wearing anything above a 30" waist in your Levi's you're at risk. If you smoke kiss your ass goodbye in terms of certain health care elements. I can only hope that folks are already finding ways to get involved. I've had to seek out my local Republican organization (trust me, it;s not great, but it's the best available choice at this time . . the Tea Party and Libertarians are nothing but vote splitters. As much as I may like some of their ideas, 15% of the vote isn't enough to do anything but insure the Republicans loose) and get involved. I make small donations, offer to help as a volunteer and do whatever I can. None of us need to do anything big . . but we DO need to get involved. Whining and bitching will do nothing but make things worse. | ||
| Sifo |
Tea Party and Libertarians are nothing but vote splitters. While I agree with you on the Libertarians at this point, the Tea Party seems to recognize this problem and are trying to affect change from within the Republican party. Please note that (at least to my knowledge) there is no actual nationally recognized Tea Party organization. Despite what many have said, it really is a grass roots movement. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
hmmm, Court, please have your son PM me - I would love to bend his ear on some solutions and paths OUT of this mess. (steeped in capitalism and good old fashioned self determination - you know : The American Way) (it is never what you know- it is who you can get in front of with what you know.....has been since time recorded) | ||
| Cityxslicker |
share with a low info voter; maybe they finally 'Get it' ..... | ||
| Sifo |
Three reasons for this post... The first is to simply point out that the system doesn't work and sensitive information that you provide to the government simply isn't secure. The second is to point out that Kathleen Sebelius perjured herself in front of Congress when she stated that Social Security numbers are not kept by healthcare.gov. If this were the case, then this persons SS# could never have been sent to another party. Third, when they claim that this is isolated, it's a lie. The whole purpose of a computer is that it can perform repetitious tasks extremely quickly. This is true even when it is performing the task incorrectly. What the computer does not do is make a "mistake". It does exactly what was written in the code. It will perform that task as many times as you ask it to, the same way every time. State confirms health website security breach
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| Sifo |
Receptionist: Hello, Welcome to ObamaFlowers, My name is Trina. How can I help you? Customer: Hello. I received an email from Professional Flowers stating my flower order has been canceled and I should go to your exchange to reorder it. I tried your website, but it seems like it is not working. So I am calling the 800 number. Receptionist: Yes! I am sorry about the website. It should be fixed by the end of November . But I can help you. Customer: Thanks, I ordered a "Spring Bouquet" for our anniversary, and wanted it delivered to my wife. Receptionist: Interrupting, Sir, "Spring Bouquets" do not meet our minimum standards, I will be happy to provide you with Red Roses. Customer: But I have always ordered "Spring Bouquets", done it for years, my wife likes them. Receptionist: Roses are better, sir, I am sure your wife will love them. Customer: Well, how much are they? Receptionist: It depends sir, do you want our Bronze, Silver, Gold. or Platinum package. Customer: What's the difference? Receptionist: 6, 12,18 or 24 Red Roses. Customer: The Silver package may be okay, how much is it? Receptionist: It depends sir, what is your monthly income? Customer: What does that have to do with anything? Receptionist: I need that to determine your government flower subsidy, then I can determine how much your out-of-pocket cost will be. But if your income is below our minimums for a subsidy, then I can refer you to our FlowerAid department. Customer: FlowerAid? Receptionist: Yes, Flowers are a right. Everyone has a right to flowers. So, if you can't afford them, then the government will supply them free of charge. Customer: Who said they were a right? Receptionist: Congress passed it, the President signed it and the Supreme Court found it constitutional. Customer: Whoa! I don't remember seeing anything in the Constitution regarding flowers as a right. Receptionist: It is not really a “Right in the Constitution,” but ObamaFlowers is Constitutional because the Supreme Court Ruled it a "Tax". Taxes are Constitutional. But we feel it is a right. Customer: I don't believe this. Receptionist: It's the law of the land sir. Now, we anticipated most people would go for the Silver Package, so what is you monthly income sir? Customer: Forget it, I think I will forgo the flowers this year. Receptionist: In that case sir, I will still need your monthly income. Customer: Why? Receptionist: To determine what your 'non-participation' cost would be. Customer: WHAT? You can't charge me for NOT buying flowers! Receptionist: It's the law of the land, sir, approved by the Supreme Court. It's $9.50 or 1% of your monthly income. Customer interrupting: This is ridiculous, I'll pay the $9.50. Receptionist: Sir, it is $9.50 or 1% of your monthly income, whichever is greater. Customer: ARE YOU KIDDING ME? What a rip-off! Receptionist: Actually sir, it is a good deal. Next year it will be 2%. Customer: Look, I'm going to call my Congressman to find out what's going on here. This is ridiculous. I'm not going to pay it. Receptionist: Sorry to hear that sir. That's why I had the NSA track this call and obtain the make and model of the cell phone you are using. Customer: Why does the NSA need to know what kind of CELL PHONE I AM USING? Receptionist: So they get your GPS coordinates sir. Door bell rings, followed immediately by a loud knock on the door Receptionist: That would be the IRS sir. Thanks for calling ObamaFlowers. Have a nice day and God Bless America. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
do be do be dooooo Obamacare to fine Charity Hospitals. No free care allowed Charitable hospitals that treat uninsured children will now be fined and receive harsher scrutiny when applying for non-profit, tax-exempt status. The Internal Revenue Service’s Section 501 goes into effect under Obamacare. The provision stipulates new financial penalties for charitable, tax-exempt hospitals that treat uninsured poor Americans. Currently, 60 percent of American hospitals fall under this category. from http://americanoverlook.com/m/article.php?id=5549 Sebelius has issued several statements to the affect, one directed at Chicago District Hospitals; specifically Catholic Care entities (the IRS would NEVER target faith based entities with capricious or spiteful collections ~) ;?/ (sarcasm) | ||
| Sifo |
Sure glad that disclosure of personal information I mentioned above was a one time thing... Wait... What? http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/364816/cover- oregon-exposes-users-information-erroneous-mailing -sterling-beard Well that didn't take long.  | ||
| Aesquire |
Charity is a big no for Progressives. When you take money at gun point to give to others so that you can feel good about yourself, people who actually donate willingly just seem creepy. ONLY the Holy State can be "charitable". Those who aren't Of The Body must be Absorbed. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
For those of you that get your health care through work (and like it) you are next on the chopping block http://tinyurl.com/n3e6fsr and you may think this is new.... but the largest retailer in America has been looking at this for nearly 3 years. enjoy FIFTYS | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Because mucking about in the primary care markets and commercial insurance segments is not enough..... SEIU and its minions are about to start meddling and campaigning for Long Term Care Reform from the job posting "Recognizing that most citizens are uninsured for long-term care, the first project for the Senior Health Care Campaign Coordinator is to develop research and policy materials, build a strong coalition, and advance the campaign to develop a new state-based financing model for long-term services and supports. Future projects could include spearheading delivery system reform initiatives such as the integration of health and long-term services and supports, coordinating efforts to improve quality in our home and community based long-term care system, or advancing campaigns to build career pathways for health care workers." If you LOVED ObamaCare wait until you see Cash for Geezers ! Enjoy the show - they ain't done yet. | ||
| Sifo |
Interesting that a private company has put out a website that can actually do what healthcare.gov is supposed to do. It actually works too! Of course it's kind of hard for me to compare it to healthcare.gov, as I have not yet managed to get it to work for me beyond very rudimentary things that are clearly flawed. I bet it was done at a fraction of the cost to boot. gohealth.com Just one more example where the free market absolutely kicks ass over what big government can achieve. Through GoHealth, America Can Now Complete Full Enrollment and Obtain Tax Credits in 2014 Health Insurance | ||
| Mikexlr650 |
Amazing how much better it works, just went through it. Sad part is my family is still looking at getting raped by these crooks. Sad days to be a "working American". Common sense must prevail at some point. | ||
| Brumbear |
Mike I feel your pain I aint made any noise when I fart for awhile either my premium is $1025.00 a month with a $4500 deductible and 30% coinsurance no dental no optical $35 copay and no prescription plan. So every time I go to the doctor I am droppin $60-$100 and forget about the fargin hospital!!!! What is considered affordable these days I wonder????? | ||
| Mikexlr650 |
I hear ya Dave! Mine won't be making any noise next year either, thanks low info voters. Love City's comment above "cash for Geezers" if it wasn't terrifying... | ||
| Sifo |
Glad to see the post about gohealth.com made it. My modem went south, apparently right at 10:33 AM. Once you get past the dial 1 for English and getting someone with a heavy accent that is hard to understand, AT&T does a great job with service. I started wondering though... what happens when you DON'T dial 1?  | ||
| Doz |
At the risk of this being seen...what happens when "next to no one" signs up? I'm seriously considering not entering any info or having any intention of signing up. As Cityxslicker has already posted: this thing goes against the constitution- what other evidence does one need to feel justified in not complying. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
So... when immigration reform happens... is there gonna be even more citizens not paying into the system but getting healthcare for free???? They (illegals) have rights too. Folks just want to live. I can see why our borders agents are getting pelted with rocks. This is a crazy movie and I don't see anything but a bad endings. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
The PPACA / ObamaCare has always been about granting care to illegals, remember this is the ONLY instance that Illegals are specifically denied by letter of the law. Every where else - they are called 'undocumented' .... and when you enroll in a federal / state entitlement.... viola - you are now 'DOCUMENTED' and thus no longer 'illegal' if you doubt my reading and interpretation of this - look no further than what California has been doing for the last two years under this bill. It is the pure Dead Souls solution from Nikolai Gogol... if your jurisdiction and disbursement of funds from the Fed is controlled by the number of bodies counted on entitlement and on the dole - the more power you yield in your district.... (to the point from Gogol that they counted the dead amount the 'entitled' ) .... (we have already seen how the Census Department data has been skewed and corrupted - watch for more) it has all been done before - it is hardly original. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
All they need now is something really big to take precedence over current events. | ||
| Sifo |
Looks like even the blind can see that this steaming pile still wont be working, even on their third deadline. I guess there's no three strikes rule in big government politics though. http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2013/11/26/Movi ng-the-Goalposts-on-Obamacare | ||
| Sifo |
So the are having ObamaDontCare events and handing out free condoms for coming. http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obamacare-even t-hands-out-condoms-prizes_769034.html Well that seem appropriate for what he's doing to us. Looks like they had a huge turnout for the event too! | ||
| Xb1125r |
ok, i seriously don't get this about cult followers, why would anyone be opposed to condoms. have you guys heard the news and seen how many unwanted kids are born, becuase the parents are useless zombies. then this kids either end up in jails or we have to create public housing to keep them out of our nice neighborhoods. | ||
| Aesquire |
why would anyone be opposed to condoms I'm sure not, it's a great way to prevent venereal disease and unwanted pregnancy. Darn near a requirement for the version of "alternative" sex being practiced by the administration on you. Seriously, unless you are in a committed relationship, condoms are needed to prevent AIDS, and other less lethal diseases from spreading. Since it's obvious that this Administration is having it's way with multiple partners, mostly without consent, condoms are desperately needed. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://capitolcityproject.com/non-partisan-group-paid-1-million-produce-positive-obamacare-stories-close-obama-administration-tied-enroll-america/ Families USA (FUSA) — an organization that describes itself as a “national nonprofit, non-partisan organization dedicated to the achievement of high-quality, affordable health care for all Americans” — was given a $1.1 million grant by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation on October 4, 2013, to gather “success stories” of Americans dealing with Obamacare and distribute them to the media who often refer to them as an “independent” group. This is part of a greater upcoming effort to bolster the perception of the lowly health care law. “The purpose is to bridge the information gap for people who can significantly benefit from the Affordable Care Act,” Ron Pollack, the Co-founder and Executive Director of Families USA, told TIME on October 25, 2013. Um, no. The purpose is to sell a product.  These folk lie like they breathe. It's a vital part of their lives. To tell the truth about motivations and methods would ruin everything. It would be Ungood. |
