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     Court |
I'm listening. He is a ••••••• idiot. He just doesn't get it. He blames. He makes excuses. I see Obama and his Obamacare as about equally successful. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Why he keeps banging on that podium at end of every sentence... | ||
| Xdigitalx |
"It will never be as easy as buying a song on iTunes..." but didn't he liken Obamacare to Kayak.com? He said they picked the least disruptive path for the ACA? Did anyone ask him if he knew about the law,... why did he lie so many times? Is he just now figuring out what is in the law? | ||
| Sifo |
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| Cityxslicker |
It will never be that easy .... but it could be as easy as 15 minutes could save you a shiate tonne of money .... (a nod to Flo) but NOT as it is done now and NOT as it has done in the past but there is a proven, and economically viable way to do it - and it doesn't involve the Fed at all - in fact it is better if they stay the F out of the market. .... pity they never asked anybody in the insurance industry .... DAMHIK | ||
| Oldog |
SOME GOOD NEWS .. I hope that the impeachment starts soon. http://www.newsmax.com/?ns_mail_uid=63737729&ns_ma il_job=1546009_11142013&promo_code=1598A-1 | ||
| Reepicheep |
Now is the real test. Will the media look at this and declare it the obvious result of a hyper-egotistical amateur and the train wreck that it is... or will they start the apology tour and start blaming insurance companies? I feel bad for insurance companies that had this idiocy forced down their throat, did their part correctly and in time, and then have the rug pulled out from under them after the fact because the fed can't find their rear end using both hands. And does "Selective enforcement" chill anyone else? What have we come too as a country?!?! | ||
| Buewulf |
"I feel bad for insurance companies" Insurance companies have a lot to gain from this, so I can't say I feel sorry for them. Heck, they are pretty much the ONLY winners with this deal. You are definitely correct in that they have invested heavily in the effort and delivered their part on schedule, though, they have more than made up for that investment with premium hikes in the past few years. | ||
| Oldog |
+2 Buewulf ... | ||
| Macbuell |
I think the point is that Obama is setting Insurance companies up to be the bad guy. I can't see how it would be easy to reverse course on something that has been years in the making. So if Insurance companies say, sorry, we just can't make this happen, they are all the sudden the bad guys that are taking Insurance away from people. Either Obama has absolutely no clue how business works in the real world or he knows exactly how it works and wants to create chaos. (Message edited by macbuell on November 14, 2013) | ||
| Britchri10 |
Can't remember where I posted it on this site but does this make you think that a Government funded single payer scheme is any closer? I believe that the ACA has been set up to fail so that single payer is the only viable option in the future. I also believe that this is what Obama has wanted all along... | ||
| Fb1 |
...he knows exactly how it works and wants to create chaos. ^^^ This. I also believe that this is what Obama has wanted all along... ^^^ This. I don't think the guy is very smart. The people who pull his strings are, though. We're being played like fish. | ||
| Court |
>>>>Either Obama has absolutely no clue how business works This is the SOB for whom the term "clueless" was coined. It's a shame. He attended great schools but not based on his own merits. By his OWN ADMISSION, he spent a good deal of time, while at those schools, "smoking dope and partying". He was appointed to the Harvard Law Review, again not on his merits, and never wrote a single law review. He held a series of positions that were appointed to create "opportunities" and essentially wrangled himself through the system moving from one quota that needed filling to the next. During the time, the short time, he held political office he never voted yay or nay . . .just present. He has no grasp of the issues, not the most rudimentary understanding and has proven that fact long ago. Now . . .as he stood there babbling today . . . trying to occupy the smallest space he could between not apologizing and having to admit he had no clue as to the workings of the bill he announced to the world what an idiot he was. It was blatantly apparent today that this fellow is in WAY over his head. He's gotten where he is playing Chicago style bullytics, sending the IRS after anyone who dare speak against him, covering up American deaths resulting directly from his inability to either lead or make decisions. He is an idiot and the country is faced, now, with recovery . . .not from a recession but from handling the reins to an imbecile for 8 years. I listened to his IT "guru" yesterday . . . not a swinging dick has yet uttered the name of a person "responsible". The questions keep coming "who's responsible?" and the dance of evasion begins. Little wonder the countries who used to respect us and feared us now laugh as swing in the wind. In the past . . .the clown car but carried the clowns . . now we let them drive. We'll recover . . . but it's a dark chapter. | ||
| Sifo |
"I feel bad for insurance companies" Insurance companies have a lot to gain from this, so I can't say I feel sorry for them. I spent five years writing code for an insurance company, life and health insurance. The amount of work involved in launching a new insurance product these days is astounding. Every detail of the policies have to be accounted for with computer code that must be tested and the customer service people need training to handle policy details. Marketing must develop materials to be used by sales agents, of course anything printed must first be approved by legal. Marketing also must set rules for agent compensation for this new plan, and there is a bunch more computer code written to deal with agents compensation programs. The actuaries must do their best to figure out risk exposure for every detail in the plan and determine the cost of each feature. If they get this wrong, the company goes under because they have to payout too much in claims, or the company goes under because they are uncompetitive in the market place. That's just the quick version of what I remember from 15+ years ago in the insurance industry. Of course, I was a tech guy who didn't really get to see everything that was going on, and didn't make a career of the insurance industry. I'm sure there's much more going on that I wasn't really exposed to. Bottom line, if you think it's hard to develop a website to register verified users and sell a product, you should see what goes into developing the actual product. My company back then BTW was actively getting out of the health side of the business. Their feeling was that it was far too labor intensive to develop and maintain health products. Life products are much easier, as it's pretty clear when they have to payout on that, and it's clear how much gets paid out. I don't think the insurance industry has gotten any easier since then either. Yes they have a lot to gain in this. They also have everything at stake in this going wrong. When it goes wrong, they are victims just like the American public is. Things appear to be going VERY wrong. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Exactly Sifo, I'm in the IT field, and I know the kind of pain and hard work involved in delivering the parts of the systems that these companies delivered. I'm deep enough in now that I see the big pictures and the inside stories. Building these kinds of things is insanely hard but very doable, unless you let ego and ignorance torpedo it. Throw stones at companies for wanting to turn a profit, but at the end of the day these are a lot of people that worked hard for a lot of hours and built something that is now going to get jerked out from under them, and force them to slap together the kind of pieces of crap they worked so hard and so successfully to avoid. Because the bully is also an idiot, but the bully is in charge. We work for money, but we have pride in the things we build. We hate to see it wasted, and we hate to be put in a position where because of somebody else who didn't do their homework, the best we can do is crappy. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
The insurance industry is HEAVILY regulated; down to the words they can and cannot use in commercials. The policies, procedures, marketing and underwriting is such that it is very restrictive on how you can solicit, service, promote and construct policies. Anybody that thinks the insurance industry had carte blanche to do what ever the hell they wanted - has never been in insurance. (and is probably a politician ramping up the rhetoric for personal gain and vendetta) | ||
| Reindog |
Hey Buellkowski. You hurled the following untrue assertions on OCT 1 and then ran away. Care to comment or will you continue to hide like every other Liberal here?
Please enlighten us knuckle draggers. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
I have been pushing individual consumer directed independent policies for five years - at the corporate level - they are impossible to sell - because everyone is stuck in group think on how a policy should be constructed. (which is bunk) but the thrust of the plans were consumer directed, membership programs - that you pay your own routine services, and your own office calls - but catastrophic services were covered; there were internal discounts for cash direct providers, and aggressive fraud limitations (because you paid your money to the provider - and then were reimbursed by the policy - not the other way around as it is now_ ) further I coordinated care overseas, initially for cosmetic and expensive proceedures - but as this bill has worn on - more routine services and therapies. the policies work. they however will not get you an exemption from the TAX that this administration wants to impose on you for 'not' buying a plan but - they get you the care you actually 'need' not the care that is mandated by some one that is not familiar with your own set of individual health, budget, and travel flexibility. it works but because the government didn't think it up .... they will probably make it illegal. wait and see watch and learn and yes - f' these guys - all of them. | ||
| Reindog |
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| Reindog |
Unfortunately, this cartoon is funny but pure BS. The Thing Occupying the White House fully intended on dispossessing the insured so that he could be Socialized Medicine.  | ||
| Reindog |
This pretty much sums up how stupid Wonderful is.  | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/15/le galizing-illegal-immigrants-solution-obamacare-d/ Never let a crisis go to waste. I applaud the politiking of the situation. I disagree with the goal, ( insert Immigration rant here... ) but you have to admire the willingness to double down. For former illegal immigrants granted amnesty and placed in whatever legal category they come up with, I shall use the term Exploited class. As written the ACA gives the Exploited weird and unfair rules, which of course can be changed, or ignored, by the Leader's desire. They could even be changed in Congress, but that seems unlikely given current trends in politics. I would bet at this time that simply issuing Executive decrees is what is going to happen for the next year. As to the merits of the concept of using the Exploited classes to prop up the Socialized Medicine/ACA I have doubts. Without full time jobs, many of the Exploited class, like the rest of us, just can't pay for the ACA insurance plans. The average income of the Exploited is much lower, so the requirement to pay for Insurance will hit them harder, and the percentage getting handouts will be higher. If the system doesn't work with the 23-30's crowd propping it up, adding lower income folk contributing a smaller percentage sure isn't going to help. Or Am I gonzo wrong on that? I realize I keep using the term insurance, while the term in many ways doesn't apply here, but the math of the insurance industry is what dominates during this phase of the transition to "single payer" and at this point I have no idea exactly how they are going to sell/package that tax to us. ( I know how they plan on imposing it, I just don't know what the marketing will be on the next phase ) | ||
| Cityxslicker |
"Rep. Jared Polis said Friday the key problem with health care right now is that illegal immigrants aren’t included in Obamacare, and said part of the solution is to pass a bill granting them citizenship rights.:" F.I.F.T.Y.S. FIVE m'f years ago - I told you. | ||
| Oldog |
City Polis is a lefty from colorado, the citizens have more to do yet... | ||
| Cityxslicker |
330 Commissioned Cadre Corps of the PHS to be embedded with the Special Forces per meeting of The newly-appointed U.S. surgeon general met with Public Health Service officers assigned to 1st Special Forces Group, Joint Base Lewis-McChord, Nov. 7 and toured the Department of Defense Telehealth and Technology center. Rear Adm. Boris Lushniak, who accepted his position in July, met with the Public Health Service,, known as PHS, officers embedded with 1st Special Forces Group dobe dobe do - FIFTYS | ||
| Cityxslicker |
A view from 'socialized medicine' Venezuela : Evelina Gonzalez was supposed to undergo cancer surgery in July following chemotherapy but wound up shuttling from hospital to hospital in search of an available operating table, says the Associated Press. Gonzalez is on a list of 31 breast cancer patients waiting to have tumors removed at one of Venezuela's biggest medical facilities, Maracay's Central Hospital. But like legions of the sick across the country, she's been neglected by a health care system doctors say is collapsing after years of deterioration. Doctors at the hospital sent home 300 cancer patients last month when supply shortages and overtaxed equipment made it impossible for them to perform non-emergency surgeries. Economists blame government mismanagement and currency controls set by the late President Hugo Chavez for inflation pushing 50 percent annually. The government controls the dollars needed to buy medical supplies and has simply not made enough available. Doctors not allied with the government say many patients began dying from easily treatable illnesses when Venezuela's downward economic slide accelerated after Chavez's death from cancer in March. Doctors say it's impossible to know how many have died, and the government doesn't keep such numbers, just as it hasn't published health statistics since 2010. Last month, the government suspended organ donations and transplants. At least 70 percent of radiotherapy machines, precisely what Gonzalez will need once her tumor is removed, are now inoperable in a country with 19,000 cancer patients -- meaning fewer than 5,000 can be treated, says Dr. Douglas Natera, president of the Venezuelan Medical Federation. source http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=2 3827#! | ||
| Hootowl |
Hurray for Socialism! Seattle just elected a socialist to it's city council. We have an openly socialist senator, and a president who is but denies it. Welcome to your future, America.  | ||
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| Court |
>>>19,000 cancer patients -- meaning fewer than 5,000 can be treated. Essentially the text book definition of rationing . . . when demand exceeds supply and price both rise until an equilibrium is achieved. But . . . with supply limited. . . the sole remaining variable is price. So, and it's the sad reality, the 5,000 wealthiest patients get treated. We are seeing the beginning of private "co-op" sorts of alliances where folks go together and essentially "buy" a Doctor to share among them. Last week when Cedar Sinai announced they'd no longer accept any federal health programs, the game piece got moved further across the board. We should be ashamed of this President. And the announcement today that "80% is acceptable". If one of my students had an 80% average they are dropped from the school. We have a group of folks in Washington trying make the greatest and brightest folks on Earth "C students". | ||
| Cityxslicker |
the real hit will be when the employer groups are hit with the same situations that the individual markets were hit with this year.... repeat - 'if you like your health care that you get through your job - you can keep it' lie. It comes, I know two large employer groups that are already deciding to take the 'tax' penalty hit rather than insure their workers. wait and see watch and learn. |
