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Reepicheep
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2013 - 08:20 am: | 
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Skntpig, a close friend is a self employed tool and die cad designer. If you have a Harley built before 2005 or so, there is a good chance there is a part on it he helped design a stamping die for.
He is a widower raising his daughter.
His costs for insurance doubled due to mandatory policy changes that were a result of the ACA act. |
Blake
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2013 - 08:47 am: |
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>>> Anyone else here have a personal story...?
I've not exactly lost my individual health insurance plan. It's just been forced to cover a bunch of things that I don't want or need. The fee has increased by over 40%. I'd trade breast exams, contraception, and pap smears back for my plan in its previous state and nearer to its previous rate.
Pretty sure Court was talking about a general practitioner/internal med./family physician. The issue is accessibility. With 30,000,000 newly insured, the previously short supply of GP's will fall far short. Wait times will become unbearable. The wealthy will always have access to timely health care.
But nanny will take care of us?
Not the job of the federal govt. Too much power and money in the hands of corrupt politicians. The DC metro area now leads the nation in the rate of increase of 1%ers, the wealthiest 1%, as a percent of population.
Crony capitalism.
More and more lobbyists working in the Obama administration.
Wake up. We've been lied to, repeatedly. Costs are skyrocketing and we cannot keep our plans and doctors.
Encouragingly, the current CBS News poll shows Obama approval at 37%, disapproval at 57%. Obamacare numbers are even worse, 31% approving to 61% disapproving.
http://www.scribd.com/embeds/185695292/content?sta rt_page=1 |
Zane
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2013 - 09:43 am: |
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Reindog,
Yes, in my haste to vent I didn't include portability.
I'm not so sure about the idea of denial of coverage to illegals aliens. There are at least 11 million illegals in the country at this time. They need and will get health care one way or the other, be it a primary doctor or just showing up at a local ER. Why not make them pay their fair share into the system they ARE going to use whether I like it or not.
If they don't pay, why can't we bill the government of their home country?
Obamacare does nothing to lower medical cost or reform the medical system. Obamacare is only an insurance "reform" law. It's bad law and should be repealed. Where is John Locke and his unseen hand when you need it.
Obamacare adds something like 16,000 new IRS enforcement agents but not one single new doctor. Let's add several million new patients but no new doctors to help with the increase workloads. How screwed up is that?
Edittted because I cant spel or tpye
(Message edited by Zane on November 20, 2013) |
Reindog
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2013 - 09:49 am: |
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A few posters above have fallen into an Orwellian trap by calling this ACA and not ObamaCare. Although it is officially named ACA, you are in the process of forgetting that it was nicknamed ObamaCare and the Resident heartily embraced that name until it tanked. Notice, how the White House and Pelosi no longer refers to it as ObamaCare.
Make him own it. Keep calling it ObamaCare, please. |
Sifo
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2013 - 11:02 am: |
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Skntpig,
First, thanks for adding to the thread. Much earlier I asked for that kind of real world input on the first health care thread. Of course I asked for some details such as sex, age, and some actual numbers and details such as deductible amounts and co-pay amounts. Oddly, the only folks that provided any details, were pretty negative stories. The only positive stories lack any details.
So, I was wondering, care to share some details of some of your positive stories? Most of the news stories are about people who thought things were going to be great, until they found out the details. |
Cityxslicker
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2013 - 11:30 am: |
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Remember all this chaos is because of the main component of the individual mandate; and a website that cannot handle the traffic and complex task of actually enrolling people (the first premium has yet to be collect - so despite ANY numbers - there is no money in the till in the positive pocket)
Just wait until the employer mandate - that was given a grace period - collapses .... and do you still think '80%' of people will be getting their insurance from their job ?
of note - employers are ALREADY reducing hours to below the 30 hr weekly minimum requirement (hello Wal-Mart)
enjoy the show - it is just beginning
but there are ways out
1) vote out the dems that supported this bill
2) move to impeach the O
3) Market driven self directed cash funding for actual individual circumstances (you know the ever un popular - TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF)
4) Non - present
(looking more and more like this is my option out) |
Sifo
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2013 - 11:42 am: |
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It just needs to be re-branded. 
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/obama- were-going-have-tore-market-and-re-brand-affordabl e-care-act
quote:President Barack Obama told a gathering of corporate executives Tuesday he's confident that his model of health care will work in the end, but he said he's going to have to "re-brand" it to sell it to a skeptical public.
He didn't use the word "Obamacare" once on Tuesday in talking about his health care law, but he mentioned the "Affordable Care Act" seven times.
Sure, call it anything, just take my name off of it! Now... Where to put those deck chairs? |
Sifo
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2013 - 01:58 pm: |
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One more thing that I meant to address with Skntpig.... I see your profile says you are in FL. Is that where your "success story" folks you know are from? If so they are not typical at all in your state. Most will find insurance to cost more for less.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/11/ 04/49-state-analysis-obamacare-to-increase-individ ual-market-premiums-by-avg-of-41-subsidies-flow-to -elderly/
Still hoping that you are willing to do the hit and run sort of comment. I would love to get the details. |
Court
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2013 - 02:13 pm: |
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If there are success stories let's hear them . . . . . they seem to be as hard to find as the "end to end testing" on a website we are now learning wasn't even at 50% completion (testimony of The White House yesterday estimated 60% of the work yet to be done to build the billing portion)
ACA is going the way of the Osprey . . .
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Court
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2013 - 02:20 pm: |
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http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2013-11-13/hea lth/os-floridians-enroll-obamacare-20131113_1_fede ral-exchange-health-plan-floridians |
Court
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2013 - 02:33 pm: |
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>>>>The only folks that I know that had insurance a year ago, and now went to renew, are pleasantly surprised at their much better coverage and lower payment
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2013-11-13/hea lth/os-floridians-enroll-obamacare-20131113_1_fede ral-exchange-health-plan-floridians
quote:The Florida number is particularly dismal, given that the state has an estimated 3.8 million uninsured residents under age 65. One-fourth of Floridians have no insurance, the second-highest rate in the United States.
There are a couple "success stories" I can find in Florida . . . such as:
http://www.tampabay.com/news/health/obamacare-sign -ups-in-us-and-florida-fall-even-shorter-than-expe cted/2152338
quote:One of the 3,500 Floridians with a new plan is Beverly Borrelli, 61, of Tarpon Springs.
She started trying the day the site opened, and refused to quit, even through website crashes, enrollment packages that never arrived in the mail, and hours spent on the phone. The process took her more than a month.
Borrelli purchased a Florida Blue mid-tier "silver" plan for $27 a month after her subsidy. Jan. 1, she will have insurance for the first time since her employer of 27 years laid her off in June. Suffering from painful arthritis, Borrelli feared not being able to afford care, especially from her orthopedist.
She has already paid her first month's premium, and says she's glad to be insured despite the hassle.
"I wasn't going to give up," she said.
But . . . with number at less than 0.01% of what the CBO said was necessary for the ACA to be viable . . . this gal would have been better off to position herself below an anvil suspended on a thread.
The young people, the ones who were counted on to pay big premiums and have few costs, have simply not signed up. In addition, the continued lying and revelations of crony games being played giving all the contracts to folks who hadn't a clue what they were doing and whose sole qualification was "Obama supported" have doomed "Obamacare".
The most accurate description of OBAMACARE in Florida ia "MISERABLE FAILURE" with a couple isolated exceptions. |
Cityxslicker
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2013 - 05:18 pm: |
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do not forget that UHC in florida CLOSED its doors several months back. They have left that market, on the heels of the implementation of ObamaCare.
http://www.wtsp.com/rss/article/308315/250/Raided- St-Pete-HMO-clients-face-new-coverage-deadline-tod ay
Enjoy |
Sifo
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2013 - 05:24 pm: |
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We seem to be setting the bar extremely low if we are going to accept single success stories as a successful program. So far, it's hard to actually find those singular instances though.
To really be successful, not even meet promises, but simply be successful, you need more people insured after than you started with. If it fails that test, then it's a failure at any cost, and the cost is proving to be very high. There are real doubts that we will see a net gain in the number of insured too. That is the absolute LOWEST hurdle to ever claiming success.
Once you clear that hurdle, you can examine cost vs. benefits or any other discussion points. Of course the PROMISE was that the cost would be a savings. It's safe to say that he failed on that promise already. There's no question that the website was a monumental failure. The millions (hundreds of millions projected) who are losing their insurance, is a huge failure that we now know they were warned of from their own people, not just the opposing naysayers.
I wonder what the odds are in Vegas of hitting even the lowest bar of success. I'm sure there must be a line on that. |
Sifo
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2013 - 07:43 pm: |
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BTW, has anyone mentioned this fix for health care?
Repeal ObamaDontCare! |
Cityxslicker
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2013 - 07:45 pm: |
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double posting
its like I have wandered into a kids after-school special.....
http://www.barackobama.com/health-care-holidays/#!
Next on a very special Presidential
'What is in your lunch box?'
if you are not watching the emails, propaganda, lies, and videos of your enemy... you will be ignorant to how he maneuvers his minions |
Mikexlr650
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2013 - 09:49 pm: |
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Am I reading the above map wrong? It seems to show NY as an area with new lower premiums. I live in NY and am self employed, we currently pay $1380/month but the plan that we've had for the last decade is cancelled as of 12/31 and the new plan we have been offered under Obamacare is $1546/month plus a $6000 deductible?? Thats an increase of almost $9000/year WTF! Who thought this was "AFFORDABLE".
This will not work. |
Cityxslicker
| | Posted on Sunday, November 24, 2013 - 11:49 pm: |
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remember the IRS has a 'target' of affordability at 20 K a year for a family of four..... 200,000 over ten years
think the middle class will be able to buy a house again in this generation under this legislation ?.....
surely math escapes you.
so when you cant buy a new car, a new bike, a new house - thank a democrat ; and the ones that voted for them |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Monday, November 25, 2013 - 08:39 pm: |
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Mike, NY is so over regulated that for many people buying individual plans, it's actually cheaper ( initially ) to go with the New plan.
Of course, YMMV, and that's on the average.
I fear Court is Right. Obamacare is going the way of the Osprey.
Massive protection against extinction, a lot of hype that may not be true, and a firm commitment to preserve it at all costs, no matter how many people die from the side effects of that Protection. |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Monday, November 25, 2013 - 10:35 pm: |
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http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&mpid=80
http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&mpid=56
This comment belongs on more than one thread...
It is inescapable that the freedom to do what you want stops when it infringes on other's freedoms. I feel that I should be free to climb trees, and fly my aircraft. I have other things I like to do, but that's enough for this rant.
But I cannot climb trees on someone else's property, since it's part of his freedom to have un-stepped-on trees.
And I can't fly my aircraft through the busy "inverted wedding cake" space in the sky that the international airport uses to stack airplanes taking off and landing. The sky is huge, and I am small, ( heck, what's 40 feet, right? ) but statistics are harsh, and the cost of a 757 inhaling my little leaf in the wind are far more than me turning into pink mist.... since the pink mist will have flaming pieces of exotic alloys mixed in and be heading down with 100 other souls about to meet their maker. Looks like a violation of freedom to me.
So, I can still climb trees, and fly, but I have to be courteous and thoughtful about where.
And most important, If I pay for my own insurance, ( and work related is still ME paying for it out of my employer's compensation package. ) I only have myself to worry about when I land hard enough to break things. Like me. ( I seem to do a lot of activities that have the phrase, "land hard enough to break things" as part of the probable results.... I suppose that says something about me. Or snowmobilers, or bikers. )
But if YOU pay for my insurance, you have every right to be concerned that I might land too hard, and thus you have an incentive to tell me I shouldn't do these things.
In fact, with a collectivist attitude, a whole list of things other's do impinges on everyone's freedoms.
It is obvious that any activity that requires a helmet ( by regulation or common sense ) is an activity that we, as the payers of your insurance, would prefer you not do.
Busybody types will complain. Going to happen. They always have and are now.
You know their motto. "There ought to be a law".
Then, there is. |
Cityxslicker
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2013 - 12:51 am: |
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and on deck.... SEIU takes on Long Term Care Reform ....
because there isn't enough mess in the market already.
They are aiming and timing the collapse so that they can create an uber social/entitlement megalith that encompasses CMS/SS/SSI/HHS/VA/DOJ/DOI-m and maybe the CDC/PHC/IRS into one agency head similar to the DHS.... because that has worked so well .....
it is after all , only 1/6 economy and 1/3 of the budget *when they write and pass one.......
Enjoy Komrade - the band plays as the ship sails FORWARD ! |
Cityxslicker
| | Posted on Sunday, December 01, 2013 - 12:25 pm: |
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Of all the places that I have sent the inquiries to for the implementation and launch of my ideas .... the Muslim / Islamic countries seem to be the most responsive.
Why - because they already have a carte blanche exemption under the ACA Bill.
Kill this Beast with their own meme, their own machine, their own propaganda - suits me fine. |
Cityxslicker
| | Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2013 - 05:38 pm: |
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The best I can explain it - is that ObamaCare is attempting to legislate and force impositions on where, when and how a spider builds its web.
the spirals of individual health care needs, prescriptions, accidents, premium, safety net and of course the government dole all grafted into a top down mandate on how to manage the spider.
when infact, the most productive and useful web is best left up to the spider itself
(the train wreck iconography is nice too - I do like the idea of a railroad tie giving the entire engine and train a derailment) |
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