| Author | Message | ||
     Mr_grumpy |
Came across this interesting article. http://www.thecommentator.com/article/4272/the_ris e_and_rise_of_the_french_far_right The writer makes some valid points, but misses the essential one, A lot of French people are sick to death of the same old same old, & want real change. The Liberté Egalité Fraternité that he speaks of is virtually non-existant these days there's been a huge influx of immigrants over the past 20 years & that's not necessarily a bad thing, I'm one of them. However such is the fear of being called "racist" & dragged through the courts, ethnic minorities are given what amounts to favoured status. Coupled with a socialist government that seems intent on taxation as a solution to every problem, a mainstream opposition that can't even elect it's own leader without cheating, & no other credible alternatives, is it any wonder the French are looking elsewhere? | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
We are working on amnesty here in America. Our "leaders" seem to want as many voters as possible dependent on government in as many ways as possible. When you can vote to steal from other people its a bad thing. | ||
| Alfau |
France, is being invaded by Muslims! What's with that ? | ||
| Alfau |
For those with their head in the sand! France! is being invaded by Muslims! What's with that ? | ||
| Cityxslicker |
you have to allow amnesty.... for the same reasons you 'abolished' slavery. hint - it has nothing to do with civil rights in either case. when you see it - you will be mad as hell ; until then - seek the answers yourself - because I cannot show them to you - you simply would not believe the branded lies that politicians have told you; but indeed - it is there; in bald face font type. The machine does not care that you are veal, mutton, pork, foul or horse - simply that you are all ground into sausage appropriately. | ||
| Torquehd |
city, if you care to elaborate on that concept, i'm open to hear. you can pm me if you don't want to blast it out on the forum. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
There's nothing wrong with most muslims, I know plenty of them, they're just like you & me, want a quiet life, make a living in peace, but there's these extremists you see. Would you class Westboro as representative Christians? To answer your initial point, France's old colonies were mostly Muslim hence the linkage. I don't want to get into religious debate here, I'm not religious myself but I'm tolerant of those who are, whatever faith that may be. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
I've been told there are Sharia courts sanctioned by the government in Great Britain. Does France do the same? | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
what about these claims? http://www.sovereignman.com/tax/you-wont-believe-w hat-the-french-are-taxing-now-12926/ | ||
| Britchri10 |
Ferris_von_bueller: Sharia "courts" have no legal jurisdiction in the UK. Many tribunals taking Sharia law as their code operate out of mosques in the UK. They service the people that agree to have their legal issues assessed by such tribunals but their decisions are legally unenforceable. Only people who agree to allow these courts to arbitrate cases are affected by their decisions. They are usually used to settle family & financial matters but the cannot endorse or enforce anything that is illegal in the UK under British law, such as child brides, polygamy etc'. They operate in much the same way as decisions from the Mormon church (for example) are applied to individuals who agree for them to arbitrate matters in the USA. Chris C | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
No officially sanctioned sharia courts here, & I seriously doubt in the UK either, the legal profession would never stand for it. As for taxation, how's this one grab you? http://www.eurotunnelfreight.com/uk/about/eco-tax- in-France/ Bear in mind that France is a major European transit country & already has some of the most expensive toll motorways in Europe. The idea makes perfect sense from a revenue gathering point of view, what seems not to have been taken into account is the fact that it will drive most small & medium domestic hauliers under. The current French government is going down the same path as the UK socialist Labour government did in the 70s, the policies didn't work then & won't work now, but Hollande & co just don't seem to get it. Mme G & I have had enough, & can see the writing on the wall, so we're off to Quebec. | ||
| Fb1 |
Grumps, I bet I already know the answer, but: How do you find the mainstream media in France? Honest? Unbiased? Politically centered? I'm betting none of the above... | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Sharia "courts" have no legal jurisdiction in the UK. Many tribunals taking Sharia law as their code operate out of mosques in the UK. They service the people that agree to have their legal issues assessed by such tribunals but their decisions are legally unenforceable. Only people who agree to allow these courts to arbitrate cases are affected by their decisions. They are usually used to settle family & financial matters but the cannot endorse or enforce anything that is illegal in the UK under British law, such as child brides, polygamy etc'. They operate in much the same way as decisions from the Mormon church (for example) are applied to individuals who agree for them to arbitrate matters in the USA. Greatly explained no doubt, and perhaps important to also explain these practiced community laws work for and not against the standards of living for those who follow. Just in case someone believes they chop hands off for theft or something! Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Mme G & I have had enough, & can see the writing on the wall, so we're off to Quebec. Ah, I knew there was a reason for this topic  Rocket in England | ||
| Britchri10 |
Rocket: Thanks for the clarification. I haven't lived in the UK for c24 years. The UK is still governed by UK laws. Chris C | ||
| Britchri10 |
Grumpy: Can't comment on France (I only lived there for about 6 months in the early '80's) But, RUN, don't walk. My wife & I moved to the USA in 1989 and we are much happier than we ever would have been in the UK/Europe, Chris C | ||
| Aesquire |
I must have an evil streak because that eco-tax system article had me thinking of ways to cheat it. The reason the muslim question comes up is the US "news" folk live by the mantra, "If it bleeds it leads". So what we see of French news is the riots in the Ghettos, ( Pensions? the ethnically concentrated low income govt. supported housing? ) and hear that the Police are afraid to go into the bad neighborhoods. The problem is a group that does not wish to become culturally assimilated. When immigrants WANT to be French,( or German or American, or British, etc. ) they adapt, and contribute to the culture and economy. When they retain their isolation from greater society there is inevitable tension. When it's a "leave us be as we practice our ancient ways" attitude, ( in the US the Amish, Jews, Coptics, etc. ) it's usually ok. ( not perfect, because of idiots ) When it's a "we shall mold our new homes to be the hells we escaped from", it's pretty grim. The latest mass immigration in the US is a result of the "ethnic cleansing" wave currently dominated by Islamism ( but there's these extremists you see ) from all around the planet, and tribalism. ( from Africa & Asia mostly ) Maybe the Gypsies will come here next. I think you'll like Canada.  | ||
| Torquehd |
mr grumpy, while i'm no expert, and i have not read the quran entirely, i have read some of it and i know a couple of things about it. it's not written chronologically, but by length of book. commands written later in the book supercede those written earlier. mohamed, and his commands, became increasingly violent later in life. muslims are commanded to spread the word of Allah. if it is not peacefully received, they are commanded to spread it by the sword, to murder people so violently that anyone who sees it will be afraid to oppose them. muslims who live peacefully are not following the commandments of their own doctrine. this is a religion that is not seperate from government. the two are one. and we have seen, over, and over, and over, that so-called "extremist" (faithful) organizations "abuse" (fulfill) the law to commit bloody, crimes against humanity. The fact that it is growing on an international level, at a wildfire pace, should alarm you. It will get worse. Much worse. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
You talk blithely about Muslims, but which ones? there's almost as many different sects of them as there is Christians, & the radical ones are quite happy to kill other muslims who don't conform to "their" version of the religion. This is a huge part of the problem, most people hear the word "muslim" & think "terrorist" because that's the association that the news media want you to have. It sells! Christian = goodies, Muslim = baddies. Well I can tell you from first hand experience that that's total bollocks! I lost school friends to terrorism, I lived through one the most dangerous periods of my country's history, when you weren't sure if it was safe to go to the pub or get on a bus in case it got bombed. And those terrorists? Christians of one stamp or another, every f*cking one of the bastards, many of them funded from the good old US of A. Google "Noraid" sometime. Bitter? no, but there's few things I hate more than hypocrisy. So please don't insult me with your war on terror. Declare war on evil & I'll back you up all the way, but take a little time for some self examination before you do. All but a very few of us have the capacity for evil, we work hard to keep it in check, a very few go right out the other side & convince themselves that their evil is good. So don't demonise one religion or another because of a few fanatics. You live in one the greatest countries on earth with more advantages than most of the world can dream of, be humble & appreciate it & try to appreciate the fact that none of us get a full frank unbiased view of the news, so educate yourself as best you can, knowledge is power. Phew, that's better. Time for a drop of Scotch. Cheers now. | ||
| Fb1 |
You live in one the greatest countries on earth with more advantages than most of the world can dream of, be humble & appreciate it Speaking only for myself: I try, I do, and I'm trying very hard to help preserve it. Cheers. | ||
| Torquehd |
Brother, I'm in Afghanistan right now, serving my country. This isn't my first time here, or in a muslim country (I've spent time in a few). I have worked, trained, run missions with, and lived with them for over a year and a half now. While I'm not an expert, I'm not basing my opinion upon media. I never had a particular hatred for Islam until I saw it first hand. It is the worst religion EVER. There is no disputing the doctrine of their religion. The book speaks for itself. I know plenty of American muslims who do not follow the teachings of the quran. they are "bad muslims" who, like i just said, do not follow the teachings of the quran. They are not the threat. Not yet, but how easy will it be for them to turn the tide when enough muslims move here and get positions in offices to begin instituting sharia law? How easy is it for those "select few" to take control of an entire country? it happens time and again, and again, and again, because their religion and government are one. Backed by the commandments of their doctrine. You are absolutely right, they murder their own, they do it in the name of their religion. While most of the time their motives are based upon political interests, religion is their front for EVERYTHING. Muslims who die fighting the Taliban are officialy recognized as martyrs by the government of Afghanistan. The believe it's a holy war, just like the taliban believe they're fighting a holy war. My point is, this is a religion with a voracious, blood-thirsty appetite (and history and commandments), and the "bad" muslims have such an easy time abusing their power because their government and religion are one. They are already pushing sharia law on european countries. it will get worse. You can say I am crazy, off my rocker, what have you. Five years down the road, it will be more evident. 10 years, even more so. It will get worse. Much worse. | ||
| Britchri10 |
I did my "tour" of NI. Half my family are Irish Catholic. Me? I'm protestant English. I don't bear any ill will to those that were trying to kill me. Politics & religion go hand in hand, everywhere! Muslim's, just like Christians, have different ways of behaving & different beliefs, regardless of what their book/bible/Koran say. It used to be communists before the fall of the Eastern Bloc dictatorship who were the boogeyman, now it's Muslims. 10+ years down the road & it will be someone/something else. Chris C | ||
| Aesquire |
Actually it will still be the Communists.  We have a thread where we talk about the Islamist "extremists" that are the ones who do the killing. And that's right, the Number 1 murderer of Muslims is other Muslims, who are intolerant of any one different than they believe. There are some Christians that way too. No doubt. I'll skip the problems with the English occupation of Ireland. I wasn't there, and a remote ancestor of mine was, I think, the last person sentenced to be drawn & quartered by the Brits for being a rebel. ( 1848, in 1849 they commuted the sentence to transportation to "the other side of the world." ( Tasmania ) He escaped and came here. ) | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Would you class Westboro as representative Christians? There aren't millions of Westboro followers. If there were I'd say we have a problem | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Jesse, I am glad to hear you're forming your opinions from an informed viewpoint. Take care & get home safely. FvB, that's entirely the point. I didn't start this thread to discuss religion & terrorism though, just to vent my spleen on the current bunch of French tossers in power, so I'll leave it there. | ||
| Torquehd |
i apologize for derailing the topic, i know that's not what you were after. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
No harm done mate, it's only the internet after all. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Canada looks like a good option. Low debt with a sound economy and socialist leaning government which would be familiar to a European. | ||
| Hootowl |
Canada is drifting to the right. Smart. Their neighbors to the South...not so much. | ||
| Jramsey |
Innes,off topic PM regarding French policies sent. |
