| Author | Message | ||
     Sifo |
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| Froggy |
Right, the original post mentioned nothing about making an account so I didn't look there, but the other random things I clicked on were working fine, and they still are. To satisfy your curiosity, I was just able to make an account, it took only a few minutes of bogus information, and it let me log in. 
Not to sound mean, but you know nothing of web development then, it is quite complex and not something you just simply press a button and its done, especially with a site that deals with many features like databases, web chats, and so on. Given the current shutdown I have no idea if anyone is even maintaining it, many other gov websites like Census.gov are mostly offline for now. | ||
| Hootowl |
Froggs, you do realize that you just willfully gave false information to the government, and potentially the IRS, right? | ||
| Sifo |
Not to sound mean, but you know nothing of web development then, it is quite complex and not something you just simply press a button and its done, especially with a site that deals with many features like databases, web chats, and so on. Granted. It's still the easy part. I spent 25 years of my life in IT, including web development. I just tried to log in again. It leaves me with the same blank screen that I've gotten the past 2 days.  It seems to be not working for more people than it's working for. That's a massive failure. It's still the easy part. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
So if you do not sign up and have to pay the tax/fine every April... will you then have insurance? If you currently do not have any income... will you still get insurance?? With no job, how are you going to pay the tax/fine? (will you have insurance?) At this moment, I do not want to sign up and I do not foresee myself signing up anytime in the near future. I hope the House keeps its' spine and this gets put on hold for a year. Maybe during that time, we can fix what is wrong with it... AND Obama can follow thru with his past promises. (keeping your existing healthcare, not paying more than you are now.. etc etc etc.) | ||
| Sifo |
Actually, now that I think about it, I spent about 6 weeks working on a web product for a company that deals with blood products. Being medical related, they had government standards (FDA) that had to be met with every change done to the system. The documentation and red tape involved in the simplest changes were beyond belief. If things are like they were about 15 years ago, this system will take a very long time to get workable. | ||
| Sifo |
So if you do not sign up and have to pay the tax/fine every April... will you then have insurance? No you won't have insurance. You will be fined (or is it taxed? I'm still confused on that one), and will still be liable for paying for any health care you require. The no income question, I can't answer. I know there are subsidies based on low income. I don't know if they provide insurance for no income folks though. | ||
| Sifo |
Interesting commentary, from a source that claims to want ObamaDontCare to succeed. It’s been one full week since the flagship technology portion of the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) went live. And since that time, the befuddled beast that is Healthcare.gov has shutdown, crapped out, stalled, and mis-loaded so consistently that its track record for failure is challenged only by Congress. The site itself, which apparently underwent major code renovations over the weekend, still rejects user logins, fails to load drop-down menus and other crucial components for users that successfully gain entrance, and otherwise prevents uninsured Americans in the 36 states it serves from purchasing healthcare at competitive rates – Healthcare.gov’s primary purpose. The site is so busted that, as of a couple days ago, the number of people that successfully purchased healthcare through it was in the “single digits,” according to the Washington Post. The reason for this nationwide headache apparently stems from poorly written code, which buckled under the heavy influx of traffic that its engineers and administrators should have seen coming. But the fact that Healthcare.gov can’t do the one job it was built to do isn’t the most infuriating part of this debacle – it’s that we, the taxpayers, seem to have forked up more than $634 million of the federal purse to build the digital equivalent of a rock. The exact cost to build Healthcare.gov, according to U.S. government records, appears to have been $634,320,919, which we paid to a company you probably never heard of: CGI Federal. The company originally won the contract back in 2011, but at that time, the cost was expected to run “up to” $93.7 million – still a chunk of change, but nothing near where it apparently ended up. More... So we are about 677% over budget and hundreds of millions can't even log in?  Is government really the solution? | ||
| Xdigitalx |
If I choose not to join the ACA club, and DO need healthcare... with they turn me down? OK... but what if I do not join ACA for 5 years and THEN get hurt and taken to hospital, will they turn me away? What if they look into files and it shows I did not pay for insurance and was fined for past 5 years because of it, but never paid the fines? Will they place a guard at my door?? Will I loose my Drivers License? (attaching a surcharge) Will the Federal creditors get judgments for the fines? | ||
| Sifo |
Looks like other keyboard drivers are appalled by what they see too. Glad to see it's not just me. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505269_162-57606633/ob amacare-website-looks-like-nobody-tested-it-progra mmer-says/
I have to agree that is isn't a traffic matter. If it was all because of unexpectedly high traffic, you wouldn't see some states working, while other states are not working at all. | ||
| Reepicheep |
I work in the field and I am deeply involved in large scale web development daily. Including sites related to just about every regulation you can imagine. Remind me to tell you someday.... :/ Everyone here is right... 1) Building the healthcare exchange website is an incredibly difficult problem to solve. 2) Once solved, that was the easy part (relatively). After that it gets *really* hard. Though it was incredibly difficult, never before have such great assets been available to somebody who needs to build a big complicated site. Amazon will let you build a solution that can scale from 10 to 10 million users over a weekend, and you only have to buy the peak capacity you need for the duration you need it. NoSQL databases offer insanely powerful and fast and data schemas, caching options. REST API's, XML markup, service oriented architectures, and ubiquitous compute and bandwidth make interfacing disparate systems (while still hard) easier than ever. This was a hard problem for sure, but it only gets harder. I think the big beef with many people isn't that the ACA passed... its that it passed via back door maneuvering and based on flat out lies that were trivially provable. Frankly, the primary target of my anger over it isn't the Democrats who supported this, or even lied to pass it. This is politicians, it is what they do. It is at the media, who's role to keep this country great is supposed to be insightful criticism and careful discovery and artful communication of facts. If we had a straight up vote, based on informed consent, and passed this thing fair and square, my position would be different. If this country falls, it is the fault of journalists failing to do their duty for God and Country. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Sifo... where did those numbers come from? Those can't possibly be right, they are insanely (impossibly) high. | ||
| Macbuell |
To the question of costs for the web-site, it was supposed to cost $93M to build but, as with all things Government, it was way over budget coming in at $634M. That's a budget overrun of 582%. And it still doesn't work properly. http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/10/10/glitch-fill ed-launch-obamacare-site-decried-as-train-wreck/ Those are your tax dollars at work. | ||
| Sifo |
Sifo... where did those numbers come from? Those can't possibly be right, they are insanely (impossibly) high. I really can't vouch for those numbers. Are they impossibly high? As in not real, or as in most people won't be able to afford it? Or as in this is the sort of savings you can expect from a government that says they can build a system for $93 million, but spends $634 million instead and the system is a complete failure? Macbuell, $93 million * 582% is only $541 million. It's more like 677% over budget. | ||
| Pwnzor |
Sifo... Have you tried using a different web browser? I gave up on Firefox about 2 years ago, too many problems. | ||
| Sifo |
How about a family plan for $1,208 per month with a $10K deductible? Plenty of other examples here too... http://www.gopusa.com/news/2013/10/07/obamacare-pr emiums-shock-consumers/ Decide for yourselves what's impossibly high. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Impossible in the sense of insane... This is going to drive a health care black market... The only people on the normal market will be people that know they are going to spend much more than they pay, or the ones getting it paid for by somebody else. Everyone else can bank up a few years of $500 per month and buy a heck of a lot of health care under the table. | ||
| Sifo |
To be fair, NC is supposed to be the hardest hit with rate increases. I don't know why.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/09/ 25/double-down-obamacare-will-increase-avg-individ ual-market-insurance-premiums-by-99-for-men-62-for -women/ I really have no idea why it varies so much by state. I'm very interested in how they calculate the subsidies. We've decided to toss in the towel on full time work this year. Next year's income will be way down for us. I wonder what investment income will be included in the calculations. It's fair to say that I have far more questions than answers. The devil is in the details. | ||
| Sifo |
Everyone else can bank up a few years of $500 per month and buy a heck of a lot of health care under the table. That used to be called "self insured". It was a sensible plan for some people. Now you get a hefty fine for that sort of thinking. | ||
| Macbuell |
Sifo, the $541 represents the variance to the budget. I work in Finance so this is one thing I know a lot about. When calculating cost variances to budget you take the variance and compare it to the budgeted dollar amount. In this case, the variance is $541K which is the amount spent over the budget. You then divide that total by the Budget to get a variance % as compared to the budget. So $634-$93 = $541 then divided $93 which equals 582%. | ||
| Nukeblue |
reep i'm with you! blame the msm 110% | ||
| Garryb |
Obamacare http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-myths.php http://obamacarefacts.com/benefitsofobamacare.php | ||
| Hootowl |
You've posted links to propaganda web sites that contain demonstrably false information. | ||
| Reindog |
Same questions to Garryb: How has your experience been in navigating the healthcare website, are you happy with the benefits and costs of the various plans, have you signed up? | ||
| Garryb |
My wife and I have good insurance at a reasonable cost as a retirement benefit from my wifes past employer. They can terminate that coverage if and when they please. I will now have options, as I would be uninsurable because of pre-existing conditions, with out Obamacare. My 29 year old son, who works for our family business, has been unable to get good healthcare coverage because he doesn't qualify for a group plan. His current insurance costs about $350/month Last year his $12,000 ankle surgery cost us $5,000 out of pocket with his current plan. He will greatly gain from Obamacare as will our other employees. | ||
| Garryb |
Hootowl, Please demonstrate for my edification. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Don't you ObamaLovers think it would be better, and for the good of the country, to establish a healthcare system with laws that help even more people and cripple less people financially than the current ACA does?? I see it as a no-brainer. | ||
| Reindog |
Garryb, Thanks for responding. Has your son or your employees actually signed up and determined that they will greatly gain from Obamacare? | ||
| Garryb |
Its hard to figure out why we didn't get a stronger plan with all the republican/tea party input and cooperation they provided to help reform healthcare. | ||
| Sifo |
Its hard to figure out why we didn't get a stronger plan with all the republican/tea party input and cooperation they provided to help reform healthcare. Is that meant to be a joke? The ACA was rammed through without any input from the other side. This is the first input the other side has had. |
