| Author | Message | ||
     Mighty_mouse |
Frank that's the sh*t right there. LMAO | ||
| Two_seasons |
During the video, you can see some of the pack riders signaling to other riders on the on-ramps to "join in". It was a group ride and likely picking up other bikers along the way. The police should find it easy to peruse through social media and find out who they are! I detest this kind of riding and attitude. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
I wish the media would stop calling them "bikers"... as in a typical biker... just call them what they are "hooligan bikers" or just "hooligans" (or something) I was listening to talk radio... they kept referring to the morons that followed and assaulted the father bikers. It was driving me nuts. THAT would help a little towards distinguishing a difference between upstanding (and at least semi-responsible/respectful) bikers and these guys. | ||
| Froggy |
 You can see the front tire is gone, indicating he was driving on it for a while after it was punctured. Whether that is from one of them attacking the SUV initially or damage from running over the bike I'll let you decide. | ||
| Mighty_mouse |
The sickening part that I see is it looks like one of them tried to get into the rear pass side, probably where the child was. I assume he was looking for another adult. | ||
| Ourdee |
What a gang of idiots. | ||
| Mnrider |
I've been on a big bicycle ride where someone in a car is being a big A"""". Maybe this guy was crowding then cause they where riding to slow and blocking the road. I blame all parties involved. | ||
| Reepicheep |
So surrounding and beating on a car is an appropriate response to being "crowded"? Do you honestly believe these thugs were not trying to intimidate and harass? Do they have the right to try and force him out of his right of way in the first place for their "group ride"? | ||
| Ulyranger |
Reverse, pinball action.......or I'd never have left the controlled access highway to begin with. Bunch of thugs feeding into a mob mentality. Well documented by the thugs themselves. And everyone wonders why the big apple is so tough on MCs....... | ||
| Whisperstealth |
Not speaking as to who was right or wrong. Whether the bikers were A-holes or not, the driver of the SUV didn't think clearly IMO. If it were me, I would have left the bikers alone. I would have backed off after they crowed me, and pulled over / turned on to a different road. When deciding to confront / or not, odds should play into it as far as I'm concerned. Dude had no chance of coming out on top in this situation. PLUS - He had a KID with him. Kids change things. Backing off would have been honorable and smart. It's damn good thing the kid didn't get hurt. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
I bet a few of them there in that picture didn't even see "everything" that went down back on the highway... all they know is what they saw (1st 25secs of video) from 10-20-50+ ft away. Why they had to pull him out of the car and beat him down like a rat? They should have just restrained him for the cops. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
I mean... if he really was in the wrong. | ||
| Ulyranger |
Where was the RR supposed to pull over exactly when the thugs on bikes had him completely surrounded?? Also trying to control all the ramps onto the highway. I don't see where the RR was trying to confront anyone. Biker thug break checked him after other bikers boxed him in. Those IMHO are aggression maneuvers and caught Mr Lien off guard, the rest was likely panic after his tires were being slashed and windows beaten in.... It's hard to imagine how one will act surrounded by a mob, that seems accountable to nothing with your wife and baby in harms way. We'd all like to think we know the book answer......but reality has a way of tearing that to shreds fairly quickly. Then fight or flight kicks in..... It's an awful situation all around, but fail to see how the mob bikers escape the ultimate responsibility for initiating the chain of events and continuing the felonies right up to the conclusion...... I hope more of these SOBs get caught because of their ego posts on the web and perform the perp walk for all to see. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
There's lots of discussion on who was right or wrong but it seems there's a dead silence on the question "Where were the police?" I've seen nothing about this. Were they called? do the general public in NY do that if they see something like this? or do they have a "don't get involved" mentality? | ||
| B00stzx3 |
The driver called the police before SHTF if I'm remembering right. Thanks for the post regarding the window, posted that to FB. Good reason for CHP. | ||
| Froggy |
Grumps, calling the police is what started this. They called 911 (our emergency number, like 999 in UK) to report the massive bike gang riding radically and dangerously, then shortly after is when the initial accident happened. Police were on the way, and many involved did end up getting arrested or having their bike impounded. The 911 recording will probably be released soon, they normally do that on something that is this huge. | ||
| Cecil1 |
WOW... And Cuomo thinks we only need 7 rounds in our guns. I would have pinballed those SOB in the street til the RR died or cops came. | ||
| Court |
>>>>Were they called? Yes. There were over 200 calls to the 911 emergency system in the minutes prior to the incident. The media makes it sound as though this was a one-off event, it's a frequent occurrence. My run in with them was on the FDR, on the other side of town.It's essentially a flash mob of motorcycles, dirt bikes and quads . . .roads, sidewalks, blocking highways. I listened to Kimberly Guilfolye yesterday telling her account of running into them, shortly before the encounter with the Range Rover, as she tried to drop her son off at Chelsea Piers for a birthday party. I've photographed these guys before. They are dangerous and actively seeking trouble. The fellow in the Range Rover had about 3 options, none of them good. | ||
| Reepicheep |
I've been surrounded on the interstate by a smaller group (maybe 20) of these folks before... I was in the minivan going on vacation. They were actively looking for trouble and trying to intimidate and get attention. They were just passing through at that time, so they didn't try to take over the interstate or shut it down, so there wasn't much threat of confrontation. But I can tell you from first hand experience, it comes from nowhere, they are actively trying to intimidate, and trying to track 20 simultaneous vectors of stupidity of people on bikes trying to deliberately create a dangerous situation while piloting a minivan filled with your family is extremely challenging even when somebody *doesn't* brake check you. I'm guessing the reason so many people have such little sympathy for these guys is that so many people have experienced them or people like them first hand. You should see the poor paralyzed guys "facebook support" page. Somebody set it up (like somebody released the video) cluelessly thinking they would get sympathy as a result, and the vitriol pouring into it is shocking, even if it is deserved. I think that's the part that disturbs me the most about this whole thing... that so many riders could be so oblivious to how stupid and evil they are being, and how bad an idea this kind of mob chaos, thuggery, and violence is for everyone (themselves not least). I want to be in denial that in a civilized world people can get so bad so suddenly, and things like that make it hard to remain there. | ||
| Buellsruell |
"Not speaking as to who was right or wrong. Whether the bikers were A-holes or not, the driver of the SUV didn't think clearly IMO. If it were me, I would have left the bikers alone. I would have backed off after they crowed me, and pulled over / turned on to a different road. When deciding to confront / or not, odds should play into it as far as I'm concerned. Dude had no chance of coming out on top in this situation. PLUS - He had a KID with him. Kids change things. Backing off would have been honorable and smart. It's damn good thing the kid didn't get hurt." Yeah. I'm sure these boys would've just left them alone had he simply pulled over! /sarcasm They would've doe the same thing that they did at the end of the video the second he pulled over. You aren't really thinking logically here, "Whisperstealth". ------------ The paralyzed biked would have ended up this way eventually, IMO. At least now, he won't be able to put others in harms way. This is how he rolled: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDjV08KZpNA | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
He is getting a lot of love in the comments section....  | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Back off? Maybe he never was in this position before... doesn't know "the way of the hooligan" The hooligan who stopped in front of the suv is the at fault. Then the suv stopped,..thats when then the other hooligans crowed around the suv threatened the father/family. No where to back off from. Sad and tragic for the guy that got run over. I wonder if the guy who uploaded the video cut anything out of the video.. minutes before the accident... and the beatdown. | ||
| Mnrider |
The Suv could have backed off at anytime. Why push a bunch of guys that are looking for trouble.The tires got popped when he ran over the MC. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
"After Lien apparently hit the motorcycle, some of the other riders stop and converge on him. Police said they pounded on the window and slashed a tire" so.. your there with your wife and 2 yr old and a bunch of hooligans surround your vehicle as your driving ... one of them slows down in front of you too fast and you clip him,.. so ...naturally you stop. Then all the hooligans surround your vehicle pounding on it... possibly yelly profanities... then they start slashing your tires... (did they try to open the door then???) at that point something happened and the driver feared for his and his families' lives hit the gas to flee from the hooligans. Oh... did any of the arrested have a plate or insurance?? Just curious. | ||
| Sir_wadsalot |
Let 200 guys purposely brake check me and approach my truck, I would do the same thing. They're lucky he wasn't packing. They dragged him out the window and beat him, I've heard they stabbed him too. I'm hearing different things, broken legs, two guys paralyzed, but I have absolutely no sympathy for these ass clowns, they make the rest of us look bad...I hope they get jail time for creating the situation. The internet defense of the squids? "The driver should have just let them pass." Really? Aside from the fact your bike doesn't give you the right to act like a child, how the hell does one car block three lanes of traffic? This is why I don't ride in big groups, or join any of these douchebag sportbike clubs. Hell, I can't even stand to talk to most bikers, much less ride with them. Look close, a few of them have their women on the back of bike, crowding an SUV that just ran over a bunch of bikes....obviously their decision makeing processes are of the highest, most responsible calibre. Pimpgangster asshats. Don't get me wrong, I don't wish for anyone to get run down, and I'm not saying anyone deserves to get paralyzed over a traffic argument, but this is what happens when you take a knife to a cannon fight. How stupid do you have to be? ...and there were no accidents here, the squid on the white CBRGixxerpurposely brake checked the Range Rover, and the Rover driver purposley ran them down....if you look close, it looks like one of them is trying to open his door. You just see him leaning in, that's when the guy takes off. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
The actions that threatened and scared the crap out of the driver and his family... THATS who's fault this is. No one else. The Aunt of the paralyzed guy has to point out: "This man with a Range Rover and luxury lifestyle — it's OK for him to do something to someone because he rides a bike or has tattoos?" I know she's in grief... tragic for them. | ||
| Macbuell |
He was Surrounded by Bikes. Surrounded. Where was he going to back off too? Also, he had no idea why the bikes were harassing him and what their intent was. I don't blame him at all for thinking that getting as far away from them as possible as fast as possible was probably the best course of action. | ||
| Reindog |
Right out of "Mad Max." Thought I saw Toe Cutter and Mudguts in that flash mob. The driver will most likely be found innocent after being threatened by these gangster criminals. | ||
| Northernyankee |
I read in one of the reports that the bikers were also blocking on-ramps to stop cars from gaining access to the highway, they were attempting to shut down the road to do their stunts. The blame here lays with these squids, they were trying to film their stunt video and other shit and just wreak havoc in general...they should arrest and prosecute all the bikers, they give the rest of us a bad rep. No matter what there are multiple lives that are ruined here, the RR driver will more then likely be sued in civil court. (Message edited by Northernyankee on October 02, 2013) | ||
| Reepicheep |
Watch the video... *before* the brake check, the bike encroached into the RR lane aggressively and deliberately several times. The rider intimidation started before any contact shown on the video. |
