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     Ferris_von_bueller |
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| Froggy |
I saw that this morning, it is absolutely disgusting and makes the rest of us look bad. It took place yesterday on the West Side Highway in NYC, allegedly one of the bikers was killed but the NYPD denies it. | ||
| Aesquire |
The driver, only identified as a 33-year-old Asian man by police, dialed 911 to report a group of motorcyclists “driving erratically” shortly before he struck one of the drivers, Detective Marc Nell of the New York Police Department (NYPD) told TheBlaze on Monday. Nell said that when the driver pulled over following the accident, which occurred Sunday at 1:30pm ET, the group of motorcyclists began to “interact with the Range Rover” causing the Asian man to drive into the pack of bikers out of fear for his safety. I'm sure there are other accounts, with slightly different spins. I did see a guy in a white bike crowd the SUV, riding in his lane, and pulling in front of and slowing down to either stop the suv, or deliberately cause an accident. I did NOT see what led to that, or get the details on what happened when the suv did stop. I CAN see the suv driver running over those in his path. ( and hope no one was hurt ) So WTF? is this some ego-traffic thing gone overboard? Why are the bikes crowding this guy? Why did they stop him ( before he runs over a few ) and why did he rabbit? I can't reach any conclusion except that the SUV driver was attacked, when stopped. twice. Without more data I can't tell who to put the criminal responsibility on. Like Mr. Martin & Mr. Zimmerman, I lack data not shown here or reported in the Blaze. It's a bit early to draw lessons, but..... 1. Don't stop a car by driving in front of it and stopping. 2. Be careful of administering your own Justice. 3. A vehicle with more mass than you is a deadly weapon. I'll wait for more info before spouting more opinions. (Message edited by aesquire on September 30, 2013) | ||
| Uncle |
No question they were riding like dicks. It looked like prior to the first guy getting hit he drifted into the drivers lane and then in front of him. What you can't seem to tell is if the driver intentionally hit him or did the biker brake hard and the driver couldn't stop. I'm sure that the driver, probably a non-biker felt threatened when they surrounded him. I guess he did not realize he would make it worse by running over bikers to escape. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/09/30/shock-f ootage-shows-range-rover-plow-into-group-of-bikers -the-high-speed-chase-that-follows/ http://nypost.com/2013/09/30/bikers-attack-suv-aft er-driver-rams-riders/ | ||
| Aesquire |
If you are talking about the white bike clearly visible from :20 to :27 sec in the above video, he pretty obviously brakes to stop the Rover. He's looking back, and it's as close to backing into someone as I've seen. The NY Post article hints that the SUV driver was being harassed for calling 911, but the details on that are not clear. Looks like panic reaction to me, and usually not a justifiable action. If I had hostile folk threatening my family I might react badly too, but I don't know what went on here. I have more questions than answers. Not a great day for all involved. | ||
| Reepicheep |
As a general rule, the mob riding around without license plates and trying to intimidate people is probably a pretty safe place to start placing blame.  | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
Why did those fools single that particular SUV out? I don't get it. They just surrounded it and slowed it down. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
It looked like they were trying to get him out of the middle of their group. Grabbing a fist full of brake in front of a SUV that the driver is some what distracted... not a smart move | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
dont feel bad for the bikers, seems they brought this on themselves have heard they were trying to stop traffic, likely (considering past events that Ive seen) to do wheelies and stuff on the highway got to say though - what a shock seeing that LR climb over those bikes like that the ending is scary as crap i can honestly say that id have went through both mags and the one in the chamber if I were driving the LR during that. Stuck in traffic and you have a bunch of people smashing your car and trying to get to you and your family. Nah. F that mess | ||
| Mtnmason |
You guys need to check out the discussion over on the other buell forum. Pure popcorn material. And yea - wife and child in the car? Me in a 4000 lbs 4WD? I would have flattened as many as it took till they ran away. | ||
| Sifo |
I really don't understand a participant in that group posting this video up. It fails to show the SUV doing anything wrong up to the point of hitting some bikes to flee an out of control situation. I don't know NY laws on this sort of situation, but they typically speak about what a reasonable person might feel about the situation at the time. The video gives ample evidence that a reasonable person would likely be pretty freaked out in that situation, and fearing for their life. It's an odd place to end the video too, just when things are really getting bad. At that point, it's clear to me that defending yourself as necessary is justified. The video does give tons of evidence of very reckless riding by many of the bikers, including the one who went in front of the SUV and did the brake check. Looks like mob mentality to me. Mobs aren't know for deep intellectual thinking. | ||
| Sifo |
You guys need to check out the discussion over on the other buell forum. Pure popcorn material. There's another Buell Forum?  | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
Where was bloomberg and the boys in blue? Don't they pretty much protect everyone 24/7 non stop 100% of the time? Isn't the ratio of citizens to cops like 5 to 1 in NYC? Looks a big failure on the part of law enforcement to maintain their road safety. | ||
| Gschuette |
Reminds me of that video of the Volvo that got impatient with the huge pack ride, passed in the grass, and spun out of control in front of all the bikes. Yeah the cager looks bad at first until you consider how much of a dickhed all the riders are in those huge pack rides. These huge packs do our sport no favors. If they don't police themselves the ••••••• LEO and politician will and it will only serve to impact riders like you and I. Nothing good will come of this. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Sounds like the rider in the initial "drive over the bikes" incident was paralyzed, which we should all be able to agree is a tragedy. Regardless of the facts of this matter, it is SO important for us to teach our children... live like a thug, die like a thug. If you use intimidation and lawlessness to your advantage, you will likely find yourself in many situations where, suddenly and unexpectedly, intimidation and lawlessness works to your disadvantage. At that point, things might go *really* wrong for you. | ||
| Chauly |
Welcome to a 1953 Reset. Again.. (The last was Altamont) The thing that sucks is, just like when some wacko shoots someone, the rest of us pay, and pay, and pay. P.R., insurance, restrictions, etc. The assh*les shown in the video probably aren't even licensed or insured... | ||
| Sifo |
I've seen this covered on the cable news this morning. They sure aren't painting a good picture for the bikers. How long before the bikes are blamed? | ||
| Macbuell |
The bikers should be blames, IMO. If I was in that Range Rover with my kids in the car, I might have started running people over too. And, as another said, at the end, I might have been forced to shoot someone. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Land Rover, the best 4X4 by far. I'd have been on a tear to the nearest precinct house. There's so many violations on that video that prosecutors will be on bonus for months. Guy that posted that up has done the Rangy driver & his lawyer a huge service. Is there a "you have to retreat if threatened" law in NY? if so I'd say that the guy's golden. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Grumpy, in general the US laws don't mandate a retreat, they are stating that before you can employ deadly force to protect yourself, it is only legal in cases where you could not retreat. So "duty to retreat" is "duty to retreat before employing deadly force", not a duty to run from every threat. The "castle doctrine" and "stand your ground" laws tweaked this a bit where they have been passed. They say that if you are in your house or car, you don't have to run away, and if you end up needing to employ deadly force to protect yourself from a criminal assault where you belive your life or the life of another was credibly threatened, that deadly force is legal. You can say that law was changed because it is our God given right as Americans to stand up to criminals if we choose too. Or you can say the law was changed because fleeing from your car or your house is almost always incredibly dangerous in that kind of situation (the house or car is your best place to stand your ground). it doesn't matter, the law states what is legal, not why it is legal. This case in particular makes the stand your ground doctrine look like common sense... Before that law was passed, this guy would have been obligated to take his wife and kid out of the car and try and flee. Independent of the question of if he was justified driving over the bike (and biker) in front of him, it obviously and certainly would have put them in a FAR less defensible position. | ||
| Froggy |
Some more updated info, looks like they got one of the bikers: http://nypost.com/2013/10/01/cops-bust-bike-thug/ | ||
| Reepicheep |
Looks like they got two of them... but haven't named the second (who turned himself in this morning). Dispatch from captain obvious: If you ever show up for some kind of group ride, and somebody doesn't have a license plate on the bike... leave immediately. | ||
| Nobuell |
As a motorcyclist, I am embarrassed by that video. I would have used the mass of the car in the same manner. If it happened in Indiana were I live, with the family in the car, the guy that opened the door would have been dropped. I hope they nail every one of the idiots. | ||
| Thunder |
Sounds like these idiots have something to hide. Cruz in the white bike is clearly provoking the Range Rover. I don't know about you, but I refuse to escalate any motor vehicle incident when riding... its just insane and too dangerous. These guys clearly have a thug mentality... A police source said many of the bikers who cops have spoken to so far haven’t been any help in their probe. “The motorcyclists are being uncooperative, those that have been interviewed. … They’re full of crap. They’re saying they didn't see anything. They’re saying, ‘I was just standing there.’ It’s a joke. They’re tracking down the others. They went out to Brooklyn last night to look for a third guy.” | ||
| Notpurples2 |
First off... is that article indicative of the level of journalism in the NYPost? Holy crap was that badly written. Second, I do feel bad for the guy in the hospital since he is paying a heavy price for running with the wrong crowd. Third, it's amazing that bikers posted this video online. I can only assume they were expecting to garner support and outrage against the driver. It's as if they don't even realize that they were just incriminating themselves. I learned early on that the common sense in bike groups drops proportionally to the size of the group. I will sometimes go to bike gatherings in my area but I will not ride with anyone except for a couple people I know well enough. Unfortunately, motorcycles, particularly sportbikes, attract a lot of young DUMB wannabee thugs. | ||
| Notpurples2 |
Just noticed in one of the photos (Nypost) the passenger side window is cracked. Either someone smashed the passenger side window where his wife was sitting during the initial stop or they did it at the end of the chase, which is unlikely since they were pulling the driver out at that point. This seems to point to very aggressive action from the bikers early on and a valid threat not just to the driver but also his wife and child. | ||
| Froggy |
New factory option on Land Rovers! 
Yes, NY Post and Daily News are basically bottom of the barrel and aimed at readers that don't have a high school level of reading.
From what I've read, we can't see it in the video but moments before the Land Rover runs over the bike, they started attacking the car, smashing that window and slashing a tire. They were in mob mentality mode before anything on the video even happened. | ||
| Patches |
Leave it to a Bunch of Morons to screw things up for everybody else. My guess is "Joe Public" will half to Teach them a Lesson by RAISING Insurance Rates for All that Ride. | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
I too would have rolled right over anyone that tried to stop me like that. Completely surrounded by morons beating on my car? Total steamroller job on them. I had a couple of skinhead types try to stop me in Worcester one night. Luckily for them, my 1977 Dodge had a leaky exhaust and they heard me throttle up. Mirror almost got one though  |
