| Author | Message | ||
     Oldog |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1ABw6IMKn0 | ||
| Reepicheep |
(A) At least he kept it pointed a safe direction... so by following rule 3 he didn't die (this time) for ignoring rule 1 and 2. (B) Why on earth, after doing that, would he post it on YouTube? | ||
| Pdxs3t |
What a moron! He should have all firearms taken from him. And what's really stupid, he posted it on youtube.com! | ||
| Oldog |
He should have all firearms taken from him. I disagree, with this point only, he has to fix the celing and the roof, He has to explain to the land lord and family what happened, If he lived in my home, I would have confiscated his collection and locked it up for as long as he lived with me. ( I would have to be present to enforce the safety rules or he could live else where, the guns would still be his ) He just had a cheap lesson ( no one got hurt AFAWK) If he lives in an apartment I will bet he will be asked to move out. He may be subject to fines or confiscation if he discharged the weapon in a city limit. I got idiot before the gun went off I bet you did too. I guess the gun owner safety rules should also include Recheck your weapon and script before shooting a video.... never disclose what you have in the way of weapons ( not nsa safe ) I expect some form of federal confiscation attempt in my life time. | ||
| Ducbsa |
Deaths by Carry Permit Holders - not as many as the grabbers claim: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id =2095754 This indicates that shall-issue laws at worst are responsible for 0.24 murders per 100,000 concealed weapon licensees per year since May of 2007, or 4.6% per cent of the average U.S. murder rate of 5.23/100,000 people for the years 2007 through 2010. | ||
| Aesquire |
There's a direct corelation between freedom and crime. More freedom, less crime. More CCW permits, less crime. Free states, less crime. Highest murder rates are in places where citizens are restricted from free gun ownership. Chicago, NYC, etc. Most suicide by massacre crimes are in "gun free zones". Most such have happened since 1973. The early 70's were the era where the "desconstructionist" movement took hold in public schools after a time of indoctrination in colleges. Moral relativism, the destruction of history and it's replacement with propaganda. ( we spent 4 weeks on the labor movement in High School, 2 days on the American Revolution. ) Thats does NOT mean that there are zero crimes and zero murders in places that allow open carry. Just much less. Humans are imperfect. Best book I know of on subject. http://www.amazon.com/More-Guns-Less-Crime-Underst anding/dp/0226493644 Trying to find the name of the reporter who went to soCal beaches and asked this question. "If we had tougher gun control laws, would that have prevented Lee Harvey Oswald from shooting Jesus?" ( the answers were scary..... ) | ||
| Doubled |
You're looking for Mark Dice: | ||
| Hootowl |
Voters, every one. | ||
| Blake |
Violence Policy Center’s Concealed Carry Killers: Less Than It Appears From http://poseidon01.ssrn.com/delivery.php?ID=5410210 02118115125084103082020093089109025032011016032119 08410107609610302506508210600106010200504111101811 61000750880801221240420340070760001040660950931170 07003064064019111096119117097098121004084067&EXT=p df | ||
| Aesquire |
Thanks Doubled! Blake, By any means necessary. Arrest a child for saying the word Gun. It's a full court press propaganda effort. ( insert incest reference here ) are evil. Can't make slaves out of armed men. That's the bottom line for these folk. Truth matters not, facts matter not. Power is all. And they want it all. | ||
| Ducbsa |
Regarding the full court press angle, in a news story yesterday about the wife of Nelson Mandela, it said that she had been a trained guerrilla fighter in her country (not South Africa). Their breathless example of her training was that she was trained to dismantle and reassemble an ASSAULT RIFLE. OMG that just shows how elite she was. I still like the line that for all the military-style weapon hysteria, it would be treason to saddle our troops with the scary semi-auto assault rifle that Lanza used in CT. | ||
| Aesquire |
"semi-auto assault rifle" is not an oxymoron, it's a deliberate lie. Does. Not. Exist. I was under the impression that the CT massacre-suicide nut used a Bushmaster AR clone? Or not? There is considerable lack of credibility in the conflicting reports re: type and use of weapons in that horror. But... assuming he used a Bushmaster M4 or A2 clone, why would it be treason to "saddle our troops" with one? Yes, it is not capable of full auto fire, ( one of the definitions of an actual "assault rifle" as defined by real weapons experts, in the real world, not by liars trying to destroy your civil rights ) Yes, it's not made by Colt, and may not have mil spec buffer tube, etc. but it's a perfectly serviceable rifle. Please explain? Back before many of you were born, the US Army wanted to increase the firepower of the classic M1 Garand semi-auto Battle Rifle, and replace the heavy ( about 20 lbs ) BAR by combining the functions in one rifle, the M14. Previous squad level tactics, since WW1, had one man carry the BAR ( Browning Automatic Rifle ) a magazine fed machine gun, ( automatic Rifleman ) for heavy firepower while the bulk of the team had rifles. The concept of the M14 was that every squad member would then have the same capacity, greatly increasing the lethality and flexibility of a Squad. ( a sub-platoon group of soldiers, normally the smallest unit deployed in isolation ) Unfortunately it turns out the 7.62 x 51 round out of a lighter rifle is darn hard to control in machine gun mode. Not impossible, but the M14 lacked the mass of the old BAR and required physical strength and a different technique to fire effectively full auto. The adoption by the Soviet Union of a true Assault Rifle, the AK-47, led, through oddball and round about ways, to the adoption of the M16. A selective fire ( full auto like a machine gun or semi-auto like a rifle ) rifle using a lower than "normal" powered cartridge than a Battle Rifle. A true Assault rifle. The Battle Rifles of WW1-2 & cold war, used high powered cartridges considered adequate for big game hunting, the 30-06, 6.5mm/7mm/7.92mm ( 8mm ) Mauser, .303 British ( originally a cordite filled cartridge ) 6.5mm/7.7mm Arisaka, 7.62 x 54R Russian, etc. Almost all were also used in machine guns, and all kick too hard to be used in a very light machine gun as a replacement for the Battle Rifle. ( the idea of the M14 ) The Germans in WW2 developed a shortened version of the 7.92x57 ( 8x57 ) Mauser, the 7.92x33 Kurz ( short ) used in the "machine pistol" or "machine carbine" later named for scary propaganda purposes the Sturmgewehr44 & 45. The "Storm rifle" or "Assault Rifle". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.92%C3%9757mm_Mauser http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.92%C3%9733mm_Kurz The Soviet Union copied the concept and created a short version of their 7.62x54R, the 7.62x39. Used in Carbines and then the Ubiquitous AK-47 ( designed in part by Hugo Schmeiser, captured by the Soviets and put to forced labor ) following the German definition of "assault Rifle" and making it the norm for more than half the armies on the planet. The U.S., on the other hand had no such rational transition. The M14 was often modified to lock out the full auto capacity and used as a Battle Rifle. The M16 was purchased by the US Air Force as a "high tech" weapon for those guarding our Nuclear Arsenal & Bombers. Only later did it become the standard Army weapon, and after some serious glitches ( caused by the Army's decisions on equipment & ammo, not the gun's design ) has served well for over 50 years. Unlike the Germans & Russians, the U.S. went from a battle rifle cartridge the 7.62x51 to a much lighter, completely unrelated round, the 5.56x45, based on a "varmint" hunting round. There is, was, and always will be argument that the 5.56 is not good enough, not powerful enough, and there is some justification for those arguments. I do note that we've had those arguments before, as when people complained that the newfangled .30 Krag round just wasn't as good as the old .45-70 govt............................... and of course long before that when they complained that the new fangled Arrows just didn't have the stopping power on cave bear and mammoth that a good old spear does. | ||
| Pwnzor |
No rifle was used in Connecticut. It was in the trunk of the car. | ||
| Slaughter |
We have to be careful when attempting to use "facts" when they turn out to not be truthful. Initial reports from Newtown which stated that the Bushmaster rifle was left in the trunk never from a known authority and only add to the hysteria on both sides. Lanza's only pistol shot was the one he used to commit suicide. The weapon left in the trunk was a shotgun which was mis-reported early on by the media as the Bushmaster AR15. I'm also guilty of "wanting to hear" something other than what had actually happened. Repeating it again won't make it suddenly true. | ||
| D_adams |
The rifle in the trunk of the car was a shotgun, so where they got the "AR-style, assult style" weapon on the news from, I have no clue. No, I wasn't there, but I did see some of the live helicopter footage when they pulled that one out of the trunk. Guy wasn't wearing any gloves (prints anyone?) and I doubt it really followed any serious chain of custody. Initial reports varied WILDLY from one minute to the next, but it's hard to refute what you see live. Follow that with children that were "killed" but showed up later at the white house? Parents that were really (_proven_ to be) actors? Cover-up? Yep. Lies? Yep. Guy in the woods that "wasn't" there? Hmmm. Wonder where he ended up going anyway? | ||
| Aesquire |
I'd love to see that resume. "Commercial for hemmeroid cream" "Hand model for latex-free glove" "Shill for Presidential Propaganda campaign against Civil rights" "Third Slacker from left in Indie Film on Gen X" "Fluffer for gay porn film" "Shakespeare In The Park, Calgary" With this administration, it's increasingly hard to tell the BS consipracy theories from fact. "Birth Certificate" that's a multi layer PDF file? Program to ship guns to Mexican Drug gangs to increase murder rate to make Presidential lie seem true. Blame AQ attacks in 23 cities on youtube video, Have Sec State tell relatives that you intend to arrest "film maker", do so on tv, endangering life of film maker deliberately. Closeted Gay lifestyle concealed by murder and threats. College financial & academic records "sealed", ( fact ) to ( speculatively ) conceal "foreign student" status and sponsorship by Saudi Arabia? Claims of being a Kenyan Born First "black" Harvard Law Review Pres. ( from Obama's publisher's bio ) Being Pres. of Harvard Law Review and never having a Law Review published? Promise to not take your guns. http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/f lashback-obama-i-will-not-take-your-guns-away Can YOU tell the factual from the false in the above list? | ||
| D_adams |
And when they come to take them, they'll have to kill me to get them. As Mr. Heston once said 'From my cold, dead hands!' | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Who is 'unfit' to own guns ? Seen the new DSM 5 ? You are ALL crazy until proven otherwise.... and what does that take, a MANDATORY visit to a state approved and paid physician that has accepted CMS/HHS Obamacare payment and reimbursement. Wet your bed when you were a kid .... goodbye gun. As a vet, get back from the deployment with nightmares - goodby gun get back from war and NOT have sought approved counselling - threat to society. when they own the rules - they can write them any f'n way they want Comply, Obey, stay dumb, fat, docile - it is every tryants' wet dream | ||
| Blake |
Steve, I decided to not interrupt the ongoing thread here. Started new thread for the cowardly store discussion... http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/406 2/716381.html?1373211475 Moved your post there too. (Message edited by blake on July 07, 2013) | ||
| Slaughter |
Good call, Blake. Thanks. | ||
| Ducbsa |
Aesquire - The MSM mostly wants to call what we call a modern sporting rifle a "military style " weapon. I was trying to point out their (willful?) ignorance by saying that it would be bad to take away the full auto capable M-16s and M-4s from our troops and give them mere semi-auto rifles. I think we agree and maybe my original sentence wasn't as clear as I would like. | ||
| Aesquire |
Gotcha. Thanks. I do harp on about actual facts vs. the deliberate misrepresentations.... It's the prejudice against Black Rifles that annoys me. Typical of certain folk, eh? | ||
| Oldog |
Birds of a feather.... http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/07/10 /Rahm-Emanuel-Using-Backdoor-Measures-To-Guarantee -Concealed-Carry-Fail-In-Chicago?utm_source=conten tsharing&utm_medium=linkexchange&utm_term=postion5 &utm_content=Rahm-Emanuel-Using-Backdoor-Measures- To-Guarantee-Concealed-Carry-Fail-In-Chicago&utm_c ampaign=foxnews | ||
| Sifo |
The Illinois carry laws are going to be a legal landmine. They got a delay in the ruling on implementation of the law and used to pass a bunch of local restrictions that are creating an insane patchwork of local laws that guarantee that you will never know when you are in violation of the law as you drive from one town/county to the next. Yes, technically there will be concealed carry. In practical terms, it's a mess. | ||
| Sifo |
I just got this email from the Illinois State Rifle Association. I wish I understood the details of all that is going on, but I'm lacking both the time and legal expertise to keep abreast of what's going on in my own state... Emphasis added by me.
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| Aesquire |
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/15/is-it-f air-that-a-florida-mom-received-a-20-year-sentence -for-firing-warning-shot/ This reinforces the idea that 3 warning shots should be fired. 2 to center of mass, 1 to the head. Then reevaluate the situation for threats. State Attorney Angela Corey? That explains a lot. | ||
| Hootowl |
I'm not sure stand your ground applies when you leave, go get your gun, and come back. | ||
| Aesquire |
I agree, but I didn't get the details on the confrontation. When "estranged" couples with restraining orders come together...... it's not a good thing. There ARE circumstances that would completely justify going out to the car coming back inside and shooting your ex in the head. They are, unfortunately, fairly common, and I don't know if they apply here. Shooting the ceiling, shooting through doors, ( as prescribed by the Vice President ) or shooting into the air, have their place too, but IMHO that's actually rarer. In fact really damn rare. Almost never. Since the Persecutor is now known as a criminal, anti-constitutional evil person who wants to disarm you, I thought this interesting. 20 freaking years? This is insanity. She's charged with a felony, and then double charged with a "screw you" that is actually included in the felony....Aggravated Assault with a Deadly Weapon. This lady got screwed. The Persecutor is ( words I won't type in a family forum ) and probably insane. Now I don't know the lady, or her ex. She could easily be a crazy person and the ex should have the restraining order against her. ( just because I'm a Libber doesn't mean I don't know that it's NOT always the male that is the bad guy, that's the "feminazi" types like Hillary that believe all sex is rape, and all men are scum. In Hillary's case, she has some reason ) But this is a case of an anti-gun law that may not be meant to apply in this case, and a case where I may actually agree with some Liberal types that don't like mandatory sentence laws. ( as opposed to the NRA position that criminals that use guns should be put away and citizens, not. Which I normally support ) Often these things have unintended effects, this looks like one of them? | ||
| Hootowl |
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/18/washing ton-state-man-accused-illegally-firing-shotgun-cit es-bidens-advice/ This will ever after be known as The Biden Defense. | ||
| Notpurples2 |
interesting video about the Alexander case |
