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     Blake |
The California senate just passed a bunch of unconstitutional anti-gun bills. One makes all semi-auto rifles with removable magazines illegal. Another makes all magazines capable of holding more than ten rounds illegal. Another requires a background check and special license to purchase ammunition. Another requires investigation of anyone purchasing more than 3,000 rounds of ammunition in a three week period. I think it was three weeks, but I'm not sure on that. Fascists suck. Fascists liar ... http://www.wvgazette.com/Opinion/OpEdCommentaries/ 201305300071 ... the right of The People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Unless a Democrat says so. | ||
| Rick_a |
Sure, 'cause that constitution is an old out of date relic, and those pesky founding fathers ideals are not in tune with modern society or "hope and change"  | ||
| Oldog |
cause that constitution is an old out of date relic, and those pesky founding fathers ideals are not in tune with modern society or "hope and change" "In the name of security" relichttp://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/06/01/judge-order s-google-to-give-customer-data-to-fbi/?test=latest news Another Old document }We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.— That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,— That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces adesign to reduce them under absolute Despotism , it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security Some in legislature have forgotten who we are. } | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.wvgazette.com/Opinion/OpEdCommentaries/ 201305300071 http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-guns-boy-s couts-20130530,0,3573485.story http://www.myfoxny.com/story/22469110/court-uphold s-rifle-sales-reporting-requirement And.... the UN bill is awaiting the prez's Signature. | ||
| Just_ziptab |
Californians who want to buy ammunition would have to submit personal information and a $50 fee for a background check by the state, under a bill passed by the Senate. The state Department of Justice would determine whether buyers have a criminal record, severe mental illness or a restraining order that would disqualify them from owning guns. Ammo shops would check the name on buyers' driver's licenses against a state list of qualified purchasers. The goal of the bill is "to ensure that criminals and other dangerous individuals cannot purchase ammunition in the state of California," said Sen. Kevin De Leon (D-Los Angeles), author of SB 53. The goal of the bill...........what a joke! Just another money grab that the honest folks have to pay....  | ||
| Satori |
Just another reason to NOT live in Cali | ||
| Blake |
More... http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/05/daniel-si lverman/ag-harris-effectively-bans-all-new-semiaut omatic-handguns-in-california/ | ||
| Aesquire |
The NY SAFE act effectively banned 75% of all guns in the State. made their possession illegal, and mandated their sale in a different state or confiscation without payment or recourse. Same idea, make mandatory something that does not even exist. Microstamping is a bogus and largely imaginary concoction specifically for this purpose. Like most of the magic schemes to "make guns safer" it doesn't work, is stupid easy to defeat, and was never intended to be practical. Don't be smug because you don't live in the People's Republic of California or the Imperial State Of New York. The laws in crazytown will get to you. Does your car have a catalytic converter? | ||
| Aesquire |
A quick comment about the $50 fee to buy ammo. This tactic IS used to keep the usually poor descendants of Slaves from being able to afford guns. The "saturday night special" laws, the law mandating only military issue pistols back in the cap & ball days after the Civil war. Intended to make pistols too expensive for those uppity blacks. The target is the same. The people are the same. The Party is the same. The ideology is that of the Slave Owner. Slaves shouldn't be allowed to have guns. It's bad for Master. | ||
| Rick_a |
Power. Money. Control. The ruling class deciding that their subjects should not have the rights that they are entitled to. Unless the elected officials in certain backward states get voted out, the ridiculousness will continue. It started with the "Great Society" series of programs and continued with the "Crime Control and Safe Streets Act." Very politely and cleverly worded programs that heavily restrict gun ownership and the types of firearms law abiding citizens can own on a national scale. IMO it should all be repealed as it is all unconstitutional. Nobody should be treated as a criminal unless they've committed a crime. | ||
| Oldog |
+2 what Rick Said ... | ||
| Aesquire |
It started with the "Great Society" series of programs and continued with the "Crime Control and Safe Streets Act." Very politely and cleverly worded programs that heavily restrict gun ownership and the types of firearms law abiding citizens can own on a national scale. Aside from the fact that this style of gun control actually dates to the American Civil War, I agree completely. ( aka the War of Northern Aggression aka The Unpleasantness aka The War Between The States ) Shortly after the Civil War, a law was passed to make the only legal pistols be those issued by the Armed Services. ( a 180 degree view from current "military = evil" propaganda ) The reason? That limited you to about 3 different guns, Smith & Wesson, Colt & Remington. All high priced, premium guns. Why? To make them too expensive for the freed slaves. Yes, just like the KKK, Jim Crow, and 90% of all anti-freedom legislation in America in the last century and a half, this was a ploy by the Slavery supporting Democrat Party to "keep the darkies in line". ( yes, that's a quote ) Since the moral foundation of Ethnic Slavery ( as opposed to classical slavery which had no ethnic, "race" or color rationalizations ) is that the "Lesser Breeds" are inferior, not really human, not US, and therefor perfectly fine to sell, use, exploit and kill, just like sheep, cattle, chickens, etc., it was not that hard in the pre WW2 days to sell gun control aimed at the Negro as keeping weapons out of the hands of the inferior. Inferiors, who, according to myth, propaganda, and today, deliberate laws, lacked the judgment to be armed, lacked the sophistication to make moral choices of a Citizen, and lacked the Self Control of a Real Man. You can do a whole term paper on the change in propaganda and perception of the Democrat Party on the subject of Race, but the base impulse, that the "lesser" races are incapable of higher consciousness and thus are wards of a benevolent Master, ( and must NOT BE ALLOWED ARMS ) Remains as the underpinnings to the Party's Base Philosophy. ( Naturally, since the Party has adopted the Communist Creeds of "By any Means Necessary" and that any lie that advances the cause is Good, you're not going to get Harry Reid to admit this. You will catch the remnants of the Old Guard Southern Democrats speaking their minds to each other, when they think they are not overheard. Hence William Jefferson Clinton's comment to Edward Kennedy that Obama was supposed to be bringing them coffee. ) The 1968 Saturday Night Special Laws, also as arbitrary and capricious as the 2013 NY SAFE act, was another attempt to keep affordable weapons out of the hands of the Peasantry. As is the CA bill to tax you on ammo purchases. For the Children. | ||
| Oldog |
it's not just california http://video.foxnews.com/v/2425789308001/warning-s hot-lands-veteran-in-court/?intcmp=obnetwork I love the commentators quip about having Joe Biden testify at this guys trial The police protect the guilty? since when the guy should document any and all visible damage to his property. The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://pro.wmal-af.tritonflex.com/common/page.php? pt=WMAL+EXCLUSIVE%3A+11-Yr-Old+Suspended+From+Scho ol+For+Merely+TALKING+About+Guns&id=26543&is_corp= 0 I'd so be in jail if I was the Father. The Good news in this insanity of anti-freedom propaganda gone to punishment for speech, is the ACLU is actually paying attention. They came for the Guns, and I said nothing for I wasn't a gun owner. Then they came for me, and there was no one able to say anything.............. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/350666/califo rnia-school-holds-toy-gun-buyback-ian-tuttle An elementary school will hold a toy gun exchange Saturday, offering students a book and a chance to win a bicycle if they turn in their play weapons. Strobridge Elementary Principal Charles Hill maintains that children who play with toy guns may not take real guns seriously. “Playing with toy guns, saying ‘I’m going to shoot you,’ desensitizes them, so as they get older, it’s easier for them to use a real gun,” Hill said. I expect that this Principal's next program will be preparation for their Future TSA cavity search. After all, Students Must Be Taught To Respect Authority. Contact a lawyer, now. Find one who is in favor of the Constitution, and is a little eager to defend it. Get your buddies in, maybe your whole neighborhood, consider pooling some funds to pay a small retainer fee. Because while this little exercise in preparing your Children to turn in your guns seems harmless, you never know when your child will be suspended from school for eating a pop tart in a scary manner, pointing a finger, or arrested for telling a nice obedient classmate that he's like to shoot the bad guy of the day.....with a GUN!!!!! ( every above mentioned action has resulted in severe child abuse in the Name Of Safety, in the Religion of Zero Tolerance ) When your little girl or boy is arrested, interrogated by the police for hours, until she pees her pants, threatened with going to jail, threatened with losing her parents to jail, threatened with being taken away from her parents, without notification of the parents, without legal representation, You really want to have a lawyer ready to hammer the Principal, the School district, and the police. ( yes, this has happened, will happen, is happening ) Don't think this can't happen to you. There is an obvious mass propaganda campaign including as a keystone Child abuse and intimidation, indoctrination, threats and blackmail. | ||
| Hootowl |
Will they suspend every child who brings a toy gun to school to turn in? After all, there is a zero tolerance policy, reason be damned. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Today, we are going to talk about the horrible violence that is happening. Ok Class - who here has parents that have guns in their house ? Raise your hands ..... yep - just wait and see. (your doctor is already starting to collect that information too - you know - for the safety of the 'children' ) | ||
| Oldog |
The anti Gun types are nucking futts, check this out.. any of you know who Katie Sackoff is ? http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2013/06/11/ac tress-katee-sackoff-urges-gun-safety-on-twitter-lo ses-half-her-followers/ the comment was “Please practice gun safety. This is horrible!” in reaction to a toddler killing his father ( recently in the news ) | ||
| Hootowl |
Seem fairly innocuous. And true. | ||
| Oldog |
And the other reason that we keep and bear arms. Enjoy, http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/12/grandma-72-sh oots-at-intruder-misses-in-calif/ | ||
| Aesquire |
Oldog, you are correct. The anti-freedom crowd are mentally ill. That brings us to a very unhappy question, that has nothing to do with guns. Is the propaganda of tyrants "good" enough now to make previously ignorant, but, presumably sane, people, actually mentally ill? There's no doubt that the useful idiots in Congress have been following an agenda laid out by evil men & women. The neo-marxist progressive movement is designed with malice aforethought to change the Republic into a oligarchy. There's a LOT of folk out there that follow "well meaning" causes without critical thinking of any kind. A certain percentage of "gun control" people fall under that umbrella. "violence is bad" is as far as they have actually thought, and the promise of a quick fix is attractive. Not realistic, but what does that have to do with desire? There are however a lot of dedicated evil people who have their own agenda and are perfectly happy to USE people to get it. The so called "assault weapons" catch phrase is a case in point. "Assault Weapon" is a term designed for one purpose, and one purpose only. To scare people. It is a lie, from beginning to end. The Reason for this lie is to bypass the rational part of the brain and appeal to emotion. The same reasoning that labels skeptics of bad science "deniers" to call them Nazis. The same reasoning that calls gun bans "safety" rules. The people who run the Brady Center to exploit a crippled guy are, in fact aware and happy with the fact that they KNOW they are lying to you. "by any means necessary" "for your own good" "ends justify the means" "for the children". ( I read their book, They know. ) Himmler would be proud. Katie made a rational, logical, and very true statement. You shouldn't leave loaded guns laying around ( in drawers, closets or on the kitchen table, makes no damn difference to children, they get everywhere ) where it's possible that children can access them. It's also a very good idea to teach fire arm ( and knife, and bow, and.... ) safety to children at a very early age. ( kids can understand stuff far younger than most people realize, they just can't communicate that to us, yet. ) I suggest the Eddie Eagle program where available, but any real adult can teach kids the basic rules. In fact, leaving children ignorant of the most basic safety rules, ON PURPOSE, as most anti-freedom parents do ( no matter if as useful idiots, or conscious Reds ) is a subtle and deadly form of child abuse. There is something very sick, very mentally ill, in the level of denial involved. Yes, we all want to protect our children from the evils of the world, and wish we could spare them any unpleasant things, but when dealing with the real world, believing that ignorance is bliss is just insane. | ||
| Oldog |
Yes, we all want to protect our children from the evils of the world, and wish we could spare them any unpleasant things, True but if they don't prick their fingers, get stung, play in the mud and various things thus discovering that yeah Mom and Dad do know best, If they are not taught by instruction and life encounter. They are Ill prepared to face the world, or function in it. In raising of my step daughter I was the lenient parent, The current round of Zero tolerance for guns at schools is a prime example, of total stupidity // attempting to grab total control. I agree that gun safety should be taught at home or if the parent is not sure, in a neutral community setting ( ie the local PD may provide instruction on safety and the rules / laws ) Some of the anti gun types are some sort of twisted control freak, My sister fits that profile to a tee, and she is totally anti gun My take on Ms Sackoff's twitter followers, they were not likely fans, I wish her well, I thought the comment was quite appropriate, and politically neutral... Lincoln said it best you cant please all the people all the time. | ||
| Oldog |
Aesquire: I am left to agree with you that there at times seems to be a form of illness, Schools sending kids home for talking about guns, A young man who was not allowed to graduate because he made a mistake and tried to obey the rules, calling his mother to get an unloaded gun he had forgotten he had in his possession, He as over heard calling home. He was arrested, kicked out of school, and not allowed to graduate with his class. when asked school officials gave a mealy mouth blaah mumble about policy and the board. For peat sake he was trying to follow the rules. My child is grown, and I no longer have to deal with these mallet heads,( I have a couple of stories to tell on this score) I do have some hope as not all school officials are like this. | ||
| Pdxs3t |
Drunken Joe and Ban A big Gulp Bloomberg at it again. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/biden-bloomberg -try-again-guns-6-months-newtown-183419637.html | ||
| Aesquire |
True but if they don't prick their fingers, get stung, play in the mud and various things.... Certainly. We want them to have better, happier lives than we did, but you can't learn to swim without getting water up your nose. Without feedback that the Universe is real, it's not to humans. The water up the nose convinces anyone with a room temperature IQ that breathing water is a losing proposition. ( folk that fails to work on? we'll discuss eugenics some other time. "Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by legislation. Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being stupid. But stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without pity." R.A.H. ) While swimming, many find it more comfortable to swim with the face out of water. But if you don't ever immerse the face, you never learn to close your mouth and don't breath in. Then you die. Yes, I've been a Certified Water Safety Instructor. Professional. ( dang, I sometimes miss the long hours, tiny wages, and tinier bikinis....  Gun Safety is a simple proposition. Generally folk agree on the 4 rules. (#4 is be aware of what's downrange, and was added very late in the 20th century after Schools and Society gave up teaching that common sense is your responsibility ) I do question the very idea of "neutral community setting" WTH? Does that mean it's beige? Please explain. If you live in a rural community, you might be able to find a local police force that has safety classes. For the most part, you would have far better luck at Gander Mountain. Once upon a time, I'd suggest The Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, 4H, or the Legion Hall. Teaching the rules for safety are simple. I suggest clear instruction, followed by the Socratic Method to ensure the teaching stuck. ( ask them how they would put it ) Repeat instruction early and often. Let them handle a fire arm in controlled, supervised setting. Teach the parts, function, and variations. For example, some semi-auto arms will not fire without a magazine, some will. If old enough, explain that Russian Roulette with a semi auto is dumber than with a revolver ( this is a little advanced for 4 year olds, use judgment, 14 year olds get it. ) In any event, training that actually involves using a gun, unless you live in the right place, requires access to a range. The NRA is a far better source for such training than some would think. They've been teaching children for a long long time. ( In fact their teaching of gun safety and marksmanship to American Blacks is one reason they are hated by the Democrat party. Sucks when your action arm is opposed in a friendly cross burning by people who are armed. ) If you can't teach the 4 basic safety rules. I question your adulthood. Your kids should go into any class knowing them. If you're not a tech buff, by all means leave advanced technical details to professional instructors. Much of Gun Safety today includes advanced teaching on legal issues, such as how to get pulled over at a traffic stop without freaking out a scared stupid cop. ( or a scared smart one ) | ||
| Aesquire |
Related, but not guns, A very good buddies wife was a den mother for Cub Scouts, Boy Scouts, and Girl Scouts. In the 1980's the Cub Scouts decided that a folding pocket knife was too dangerous for boys at ages that had been using them since Knives were made of rock and bone. At the same time Girl Scouts the same age were allowed. While that makes perfect sense that little girls are more sensible than little boys, the stupidity of the Adults involved shows they had less sense than the children they were dealing with. | ||
| Oldog |
I do question the very idea of "neutral community setting" WTH? Does that mean it's beige? Please explain. I mean that you go to a suitable community facility, BTW I believe that all lo-cals should have public access outdoor ranges with public servants running them. ie. I can go to the same range as the PD on most days of the week for a reasonable fee, the courses could be taught there, by the PD and or certified volunteers / Staff. The NRA could be one group that provides those volunteers, and materials. One reason the ignorant-well intentioned self proclaimed elite are anti gun is no info no training, Fienstine has other motives, [ control freak ] } | ||
| Aesquire |
As far as public facilities go, thumbs up. We used to have a shoot house made of tires and dirt in my town, but it was police only, and not open to the public. I fear that most police ranges won't allow public access for insurance reasons. Plus, with the anti-freedom propaganda and intimidation campaign, getting the votes to build new public, or modify existing police ranges for protection of our civil rights and access to tax paid facilities is hard. Especially in places like the Imperial State, or The Peoples Republics. Fienstine, IIRC is a gun owner, and permit holder. It's ok for her, her minions, her bodyguards, and the police to have guns. But not you. Peasants. | ||
| Kenm123t |
The NRA is the source for LEOS training they are the Safety training authority period. NRA safety programs predate all but the US military programs | ||
| Macbuell |
Anyone else notice that Feinstine, one of the largest opponents of Gun Rights is also one of the loudest supporters and proponents of the NSA Spying programs. So, in her world, no one would have guns except the Government and Government agencies and the Government would also be able to spy on you at will as long as it is "Metadata" and approved in "Secret" Courts. That sounds a lot like some dictatorships from our history books. Should we rename the NSA and the FBI the Secret Police? |
